Just Because There Was No Management Thread

[IBatch]

4 hours ago, 24K PureCool said:

The team do not want to be in the position that they may need to fire a club legend like Smyle. 

 

Of he is the guy in charge with this mess, firing him will be inevitable. 

Good point.   That said he's not getting any younger, and giving him a chance to put his stamp on this club wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world.   And doubt he'd had done a worse job than what's happened so far.    

 

Don't mind that they've been patient.   Don't mind the Miller signing on its own either.    It was a better than market deal at the time, considering what Couture, Duchene and Skinner for the last couple seasons - and Kadri etc.   At the very least a solid fair deal.    Sure egg in their face later possibly... so far too. 

 

As for right now, this team isn't  good enough.   Maybe this is for the best - said it before the season started maybe the best thing is for Demko just to be put on ice if we want to re-set the rebuild.   Demko of last season healthy and playing 65ish games ... with the amount of goals this group is scoring we probably are right where many thought we'd be.   That said maybe this is the medicine we needed to take.   From ownership/management down to the fanbase.   We all want them to win, and playoffs with the age of this group under proper circumstance should be the goal at this point (to get reps in).    Instead, this is what we got.     

 

Smyl.   Well sure would be nice to get back to our roots.    Doubt he'd put up with much either.   Players respect him too.   Neely in Boston is/was key to getting their core players signed at a discount ... maybe Smyl could have done the same for us.   Guys got the franchise tattooed on his ass.   More so than even Linden did. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Crabcakes]

13 hours ago, Alflives said:

What deals were a quick fix of OEL’s, Garland’s, Myer’s, and Pearson’s contracts (as supporting roles players) eating up huge amounts of cap? It’s going to take the full three years for the supporting cast to be changed over to a younger, cheaper, and much better group.  

Yes, especially in a flat cap world.  You could argue that OEL, Myers and Boeser will have to age out in order to get them off the books.  Maybe Pearson too.  Or if they are moved, salary will have to be retained.

 

I will grant that Miller shouldn't have been signed before Horvat.  That was a mistake but all the other deals that the new management group has done are fine.  I have no problem with Mikheyev or Kuzmenko, these are the types of players that we want long term.

[TGT68]

Seeing comments of "this wasnever an easy fix" but that was why they had the rope they had. People are getting annoyed because they made it worse with not dealing Miller then signing Miller and making the Horvat situation worse. Then also signing forwards while not doing much of anything to fix the defense.  

 

I am in the "out of patience" group myself. Because I know you set goal and work towards those goal by making the hard decisions with those goals in mind. And the "new regime" is just not been doing that thus far.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EP Phone Home]

Alvin needs to come out and face the music after this road trip and give the fans/media what the direction is going to be. Aside from being on after hours a month ago. There has been little transparency and leadership. You are the GM, lay out your blueprint. Also he says “we will keep building this team brick by brick” WTF these bricks is he talking about? Last time I checked you build with draft picks and we have yet to accumulate those, instead trading a 5th and 2nd. From a clear message from ownership, to management there is plenty of blame to go around. Fans are at the point of being apathetic. For all the executive hires, there doesn’t seem to be anyone that wants to step up and be a leader and lay out a proper long term plan and that’s wild for a multimillion dollar franchise. 

Edited January 14 by EP Phone Home

[Strawbone]

They should have given Stan Smyl the reigns when Benning was fired instead of bringing in an outsider. Smyl is hugely respected, bleeds Canucks colors, and knows this market better than just about anyone. Giving him the job for a few days and then yanking the rug out from under him was the first  misstep in what now seems like an endless series of missteps for this team in the last year. 

[Melbourne Canuck]

I’ll give the management a bit of rope considering what they inherited but I think they’re full value for misreading the Miller situation and signing another anchor contract for what I believe to be a winger. 
 

This team already has Garland, Mikheyev, Boeser signed on deals of near $5m or more after we saw the massive depreciation of wingers in the last off season with Max Pac being given away for cents on the dollar and the likes of Rodrigues, Milano etc last long into free agency. Next season VAN will have approx $27m tied up in wingers (Miller, Pearson, Garland, Boeser & Mikheyev), probably needing to replace Bo at C, only Myers signed as RHD. How do they address their main issues at C and RHD? There’s no prospects coming at those positions but there is on the wings with Podkolzin, Höglander, Karlsson, Lekkerimaki & Klimovich. 
 

They simply cannot compound this problem by signing Kuzmenko at $5-6m. As good as he’s been, he must be monetised at the deadline or included to get off one of the bad deals somehow. They need to take their lumps and deal all of Bo, Kuz, Schenn & Burroughs as well as anyone else they can. 

[ToTellTheTruth]

17 hours ago, Strawbone said:

They should have given Stan Smyl the reigns when Benning was fired instead of bringing in an outsider. Smyl is hugely respected, bleeds Canucks colors, and knows this market better than just about anyone. Giving him the job for a few days and then yanking the rug out from under him was the first  misstep in what now seems like an endless series of missteps for this team in the last year. 

 

Stan might not have wanted the job, but if left to it he would do it like he played the game, balls to the wall. But hiring Rutherford was not a mistake either, Rutherford at his introduction nailed the problems with this team and Allvin seemed to agree with those insights. IMO Rutherford's faith in Allvin was misplaced or Allvin suckered him and he should have pursued an experienced GM.

 

Regardless of the team's bump in success under Bruce that season there was a 4 year history that Allvin ignored and he had no experience with any Canadian fanbase and the interest, knowledge or commitment of those fans.

 

12 hours ago, Melbourne Canuck said:

I’ll give the management a bit of rope considering what they inherited but I think they’re full value for misreading the Miller situation and signing another anchor contract for what I believe to be a winger. 
 

This team already has Garland, Mikheyev, Boeser signed on deals of near $5m or more after we saw the massive depreciation of wingers in the last off season with Max Pac being given away for cents on the dollar and the likes of Rodrigues, Milano etc last long into free agency. Next season VAN will have approx $27m tied up in wingers (Miller, Pearson, Garland, Boeser & Mikheyev), probably needing to replace Bo at C, only Myers signed as RHD. How do they address their main issues at C and RHD? There’s no prospects coming at those positions but there is on the wings with Podkolzin, Höglander, Karlsson, Lekkerimaki & Klimovich. 
 

They simply cannot compound this problem by signing Kuzmenko at $5-6m. As good as he’s been, he must be monetised at the deadline or included to get off one of the bad deals somehow. They need to take their lumps and deal all of Bo, Kuz, Schenn & Burroughs as well as anyone else they can. 

Miller's contract was not imperative at that time, they had a full year to work on that, but it is not a slam dunk that Horvat even wanted to re-sign here either.

 

Miller's contract based on points alone will have spurred Horvat to play differently, more individually to get as many points as possible, this was an Allvin creation or the impression he has given the players. This is also Horvat's last chance at a big contract and by playing as good as he is he made himself a desirable player in the league.  

 

Rutherford knew that Allvin dropped the ball right away that is why he was trying to divert attention to Boudreau, training camp and 30 year old Miller's one time 99 point player signing as a center. He knows it was a huge mistake but what can he do? Fire Allvin right away? Pull the rug out from under Allvin and have the fanbase lament another Benning fiasco repeating itself?

 

If Rutherford criticizes Allvin's first three months on the job how much confidence does that create in the fanbase about him? It is the easier to blame an outgoing coach for the team's historical play that was missed or ignored by the new crew.

 

Allvin has never been involved with building a team just doing team maintenance and it looks like that is what he tried doing here but failed in so many areas. The history of the team, fan intelligence, fan frustration and market scrutiny. He did his job like he was in Pittsburgh, maintain the team.

 

With all those assistants where was the consensus? Was it say your piece and then I will tell what we are doing?  

 

Allvin will have to do more of what the "wisdom of the masses" knows needing done. This does not make his job easier with the fanbase pushing so hard for change. Other GM's will know he is operating from a position of pressure of the fans.

 

Allvin has to realize the depth of frustration of the fans and the lack of faith in the players as a group.

Fans will not be rioting if he fails to win every trade, they are smart enough to know that dealing from a position of desperation or failure the players are viewed as less than elite.

 

On a good winning team Miller's 8 million as a 99 point player, even at 30 yrs old might not be a bad contract but on a winning team now and not a perineal loser. Not this team.

Edited January 15 by ToTellTheTruth