I don't understand the desperate need to make the playoffs even though they fail to do so year after year.

[higgyfan]

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Brock

Had to be re-signed.  Imo, he's putting more effort into the game lately and it appears that

the team is giving him more opportunities to put up points.  He may be moved at TDL or in

the offseason. 

 

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Miller

I wanted Miller traded too.  This year he is slumping, like most of the team.  There is still an

option for a trade at TDL or maybe his game goes back to last season.  As long as he hoovers

around the 1pt a game area for a few years, I would be ok with him.

 

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Mik

I like this signing.  His defensive game, speed and ability to score is what our team needs.

 

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

3 big money signings- not a quality d man in sight.

Entry/low, scrub  level d men added, but to no one's surprise turned out to be low/scrub/entry level d men.

Mik is not a 'big $ signing'.  Would you prefer to keep Garland over him?

I don't know whether Brock will be traded before next season.

You might be right about the Miller signing.

 

TDL and the offseason will free up cap space and afford the opportunity to beef up the defence.

I liked the Bear trade.  He can still improve his game.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Gurn said:

If this management is going to turn this around in 3 years- they should have started- when they got hired, not pissed away a year, plus.

Maybe.  If they end up with a top 5oa pick, I really won't care.

[Xanlet]

Teams in this league live or die by cap usage, that's it. For Vancouver, the cap brings two big issues, first being that since taxes are so high here versus places like Florida, Vancouver always has to overpay free agents, limiting the number of good players they can get under the cap. Second, for almost a decade now the team has had at least one atrocious contract or cap penalty (Loui, the Luongo recapture penalty, and now OEL). Let's face it, OEL is NO WHERE NEAR a $7m+ player, therefore his cap hit severely hurts the team's competitiveness.

 

I'd say we just need to wait 4 years for OEL's contract to expire and then we can compete, but I thought that about the cap recapture penalty and LE's contract too, and this team seems to always find an albatross contract to hamper them permanently.

Edited January 14 by Xanlet

[Gurn]

33 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Had to be re-signed. 

did not have to be signed for 3 years though.

 

34 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

I like this signing.  His defensive game, speed and ability to score is what our team needs.

Needed good quality D men more than another forward.

He's been a good pick up, but D is where the largest problem is.

And $4.75 mill per, for 4 years is big money- especially as- D is where the biggest problem is.

If they are bringing in MIk- then some other high paid forward needed to go.- preferably for a quality D man.

 

 

Accident tanks, when play offs were the expectation- is not a good look on management or the team.

[higgyfan]

3 minutes ago, Gurn said:

did not have to be signed for 3 years though.

 

Perhaps. You are assuming that Brock has no value in a trade. We shall see.

 

3 minutes ago, Gurn said:

Needed good quality D men more than another forward.

He's been a good pick up, but D is where the largest problem is.

And $4.75 mill per, for 4 years is big money- especially as- D is where the biggest problem is.

If they are bringing in MIk- then some other high paid forward needed to go.- preferably for a quality D man.

Still like Mik on a young team moving forward.  His defensive game alone is much needed, along with his

speed and ability to score.  Huge upgrade over Garland (similar salary), who will hopefully be traded

before the start of next season.

 

3 minutes ago, Gurn said:

 

Accident tanks, when play offs were the expectation- is not a good look on management or the team.

Perhaps.  Losing the #1 goalie couldn't have been predicted. It has had a devastating

effect on the team's confidence and whatever tags along with that weakness.

 

I do wonder if, at this point, the management doesn't really care about the losses.  As long

as they keep Beaudreau as the head coach, the loses will continue to pile up, while the

offensive players (some tradable assets) keep piling up the goals.

 

 Sure would be huge if the Canucks ended up with a top 5oa draft pick.

 

**I don't mean to dump on Bruce, as I like him very much.  But let's face it, he's an awesome

coach for a team that is more mature and solidified than the current Canucks.  He was an

Aquilini choice that just doesn't fit a team that is still developing.

 

[mikeyman109]

Hockey as all sports is a business and owners are in it to make money. They need playoff revenue to make money as contracts dont count in the playoffs and thats where ownership gets paid as well as when they sell the team. Missing the playoffs 8 out of 9 years its no wonder they want some of that money.

 

As for management and the current make up of this team its the Jekyll and Hyde  results that make you think they could be a player or two away from being competitive. But after the last few years of watching the same core players flounder its really time to make a change. I have said this before and someone always takes offense to it but we over value our players in this market. We get overly emotionally attached to them. Sometimes you have to move the asset for the return.

Example , everyone in this town was livid when Keenan traded Trevor Linden. the return, Todd Bertuzzi and Bryan Mc Cabe and a pick that I think became Jarko Ruutu. Mc Cabe became one of the assets Burke moved to get both Sedins. Now does anyone want to argue the fact this was a successful trade? Naslund for Stojanov is often considered the best trade in Canucks history. I might argue Linden for the three pieces that came back might be better.

 

We may have to move a few players here to get a decent rebuild. Horvat has one foot out the door. Garland Boeser Myers Miller all could go as well. If our future is Pettersson and Hughes along with a healthy Demko then build around them with Drafted players, I like Kuzmenko but they should trade him only due to his age.Mikehev also.

OEL is what buyouts were made for. Regardless of how little cap room it would create the price of playing him and watching his futile effort has become a necessity. He always makes the lazy play. Doesnt skate hard ever and gives the puck up a lot.

Myers needs to go as well although he is a minute muncher its time to move on.His assists to the opposition have become a problem even more this year.

 

Pearson is done for this year and hopefully for the young man not his career. If he can come back next season hes a TDL player we need to move on from.

 

We may have to bite the bullet for a couple years to move on from this mess. Keep drafting. Keep the picks, take what you can get for the players we need to move. a Roll of tape, bucket of pucks whatever a team will offer to get some cap space. Then start developing the players you draft. This isnt Bo's team any more or Millers it has to become Peteys and Quinns, or whatever young player comes along in the next three years. Draft, Draft, Draft and sell as many of the older vets as you can.Add pieces once the younger players develop around the new core. We have ONE young D man that they can build around. Time to jettison some of the older D men.no more retool . no more on the fly. Tear this down and rebuild.

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

2 hours ago, Phil_314 said:

Agreed with the bold, and how it's problematic that they have the mindset.  In my suggestion though I purposely didn't suggest offering any picks for good players but making smart player swaps due to both teams' situational needs, and I think that is the only right way to really retool on the fly (either trade players from positions of depth for areas of need to teams that could use these players' upside, or trade players for picks and then promote internally, e.g. trade Brock/ Garland near the deadline and promote from within; unfortunately we don't really have in-house replacements for Miller/ Horvat [unless you want Dries as a fixture in the top-9/ top-6] so we'll need to acquire one via one trade).  

There are handful of problems with your proposal of retooling.  We have one of the worst prospect pools in the league.  Podkolzin and Hoglander are the only prospects that are good enough to be promoted back up to the main team.  But they are wingers, which means we can try to trade Boeser/Garland.  This brings us to a much bigger issue: their trade value isn't what we want them to be.  Both are experienced, yet underperforming wingers.  They aren't considered young anymore, they earn a lot, and they can't take faceoffs.  What do you think we can back for them in return?  We have to find a right-handed D-man on a team that is willing to give that up.  A rebuilding team wants picks/prospects back.  A contender has no cap space to acquire $5-6 million players without returning another overpaid player in return.  The only way for Vancouver to actually improve the team via trade is to actually surrender futures.  We could trade one of those wingers away to Pittsburgh for Jeff Petry.  Is that really going to make us any better?

[Xanlet]

2 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

Hockey as all sports is a business and owners are in it to make money. They need playoff revenue to make money as contracts dont count in the playoffs and thats where ownership gets paid as well as when they sell the team. Missing the playoffs 8 out of 9 years its no wonder they want some of that money.

The NHL has pretty strong profit sharing policies among owners. In fact, I think it's in Aquilini's interest for teams with typically weaker fan bases to make the playoffs and attract new fans because those profits make their way to him via the NHL's policy. In other words, the NHL takes Canuck's fans' money for granted, whereas certain other franchises need success to have fans pay money.

[VegasCanuck]

Well, if you had an infinite number of Monkeys and an Infinite number of seasons.....something in there about eventually winning the Stanley Cup!

 

 

[Gnarcore]

Stop watching games. I sure have  

[Gnarcore]

3 hours ago, Gurn said:

did not have to be signed for 3 years though.

 

Needed good quality D men more than another forward.

He's been a good pick up, but D is where the largest problem is.

And $4.75 mill per, for 4 years is big money- especially as- D is where the biggest problem is.

If they are bringing in MIk- then some other high paid forward needed to go.- preferably for a quality D man.

 

 

Accident tanks, when play offs were the expectation- is not a good look on management or the team.

The off season I consider sheer incompetence at addressing the issues of last season. I hope they get worse. At this point Bedard is all I find to root for. 

[DrJockitch]

Was listening to a discussion on NHL radio about how important it is for season ticket subscriptions making the playoffs is in non-traditional hockey markets. I think that is what FA think we are and 15-25 years ago that was probably correct.  Now I doubt they will have an issue filling the building if he came out and said we are rebuilding around EP and tanking for a couple years. People would come to see Bedard, Fantilli, Michkov.  That is where Vancouver is at this point for money and corporate money in particular. 
‘We have mostly been dreadful for 10 years, why not take the shot at this point, it is so close and the ultimate prize is right there.  Even if we can only get down to a 9-10% chance at Bedard it is worth it to be in top 5-6 of this draft. 

[Canuckfanforlife82]

mikeyman109: "Missing the playoffs 8 out of 9 years its no wonder they want some of that money."

 

This is their biggest problem though. They have missed it because they don't want to rebuild the team properly. They want to buy their way in and trade their picks rather than be patient. If they had been patient we wouldn't be talking about rebuilding and tanking and all that. It could have been 8-9 years that we would have been ahead by now and ready to contend and they still don't seem to get it. 

Edited January 15 by Canuckfanforlife82

[combover]

Aquallini brothers need to step in and remove Francesco from  anything to do with the club. 

you can’t fix the the problem without removing the problem. 

Francesco is the problem. 
 

 

[Canuckfanforlife82]

2 minutes ago, combover said:

Aquallini brothers need to step in and remove Francesco from  anything to do with the club. 

you can’t fix the the problem without removing the problem. 

Francesco is the problem. 
 

 

Aquilini Brothers: "Move over Francesco. You have had enough time. Our turn."

 

Edited January 15 by Canuckfanforlife82

[Gnarcore]

6 minutes ago, combover said:

Aquallini brothers need to step in and remove Francesco from  anything to do with the club. 

you can’t fix the the problem without removing the problem. 

Francesco is the problem. 
 

 

Sell the team! Sell the team!   

 

 

That chant must have hit home to FA..

[Sell.the.team]

Honestly I think the Aqs closed the purchase back in 2004 and there were a lot of good years and times to be had.  Once that evaporated quickly I think competence became the expectation and they were impatient to get it back right away.  I think JB was the ultimate 'Yes Man' to FA and was playing with house moeny that he could get the team back into contention and unfortunately failed.

[Bathgate]

22 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:

I am just beside myself at the fact this organization/franchise is going to continue on and just sign the players that are part of this horrible team. Sign Horvat, sign Kuzmenko but it does nothing to change the fact this team is just not a cohesive unit. They are just ignoring everything and pretending they are better than they are even though it's been obvious through the last few seasons they aren't a good team. Such a stubborn ownership and they deserve what they are going to get. Dhaliwhal talking about Dumba, Provorov etc. Am

I missing something? Can anyone explain this line of thinking. No one else around the league gets it either. I truly believe Francesco is insane and could care less about the future. Such a depressing ownership group. Out of touch with fans.  I am sorry this is the sort of stuff that makes me frustrated and I did use to really enjoy watching them but I can't believe how persistent this ownership is and the fact they will never accept they aren't close. Money drives them and it's just stupid. Dhaliwal saying they truly believe they can turn it around. After everything they have seen and they are just sticking to their guns. Wow! Smart. How can you afford to do anything else if you sign Bo and Kuzmenko? They can't. Then we just have what we have now. 

I have been a canuck fan since 1958. Since we have been in nhl, we have mostly done this. We have trade young prospects for 2nd level player to maintain our middling position in the draft.

[Canuckfanforlife82]

I was thinking about it again and man it infuriates me that with all this losing I am hearing they are trying to sign Bo and Kuzy. They could easily get a kings ransom for both. It's one of the only ways we can really improve our d. I don't want a dman like Provorov etc. why doesn't Philly want him? How can an organization ignore stats, ignore truth, ignore fans. They are alienating everything that makes the most sense and want to push for a pipe dream right now. What is wrong with Aquilini? Does he not understand that we could have had a full rebuild by now and been challenging for a playoff spot? He could have had all his money he wants by now and yet he is going to prolong it by paying more money to a team that's proven sucks. INSANE. Anyways if he just signs Kuzy/Bo and brings in a new coach for a bump. Laughing stock.

 

If he comes out during a mid season conference call to say we have good pieces here and we can fix it then I don't know what else needs to happen. You may have a few good pieces but they are pieces that don't fit together and your plan is flawed.

Edited January 15 by Canuckfanforlife82

[awalk]

It used to be a point of pride for this organization that we were a "cap team", always spending the max amount allowed and never having an internal team cap like some other Canadian teams. 

 

Ownership and management never adjusted, never saw or understood the value of cap flexibility and now we are in a deadlocked NHL trade market, with a cap strapped, middling team with very few prospects, seemingly hell bent on sneaking into the playoffs year after year on a hope and a prayer we might go on a Cinderella run.

 

It's frustrating, to say the least.