Provost Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Florida needs to create cap space badly right now with guys coming back from LTIR. We currently HAVE cap space with the Pearson LTIR to cover. They would rather get rid of Hornqvist... but don't have the picks or young assets to entice someone to take on that money. We could take on a guy like Sam Bennett basically for pennies on the dollar.... like Rathbone plus a cheaper veteran. He fills our 3C spot or gives insurance for when/if Horvat gets moved as someone that can move up to 2C if needed. Reinhart is another option as he plays both wing and centre, bringing the hometown boy back could bring a little good press to this flailing team. It also puts pressure back onto Horvat's camp, if he actually wants to stay here, knowing we have a back up plan for his roster spot gives us a little bit more leverage than knowing we are hooped without him. Florida would not want to move either of these guys under normal circumstances but are going to be in a huge bind and and already spent the assets they would have needed to get out of it. No one is going to do them any favours by bailing them out. Edited January 16, 2023 by Provost 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I would do this, but I suspect management's plan is do do........nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 why does florida need to create cap space? duclair is the only one that's coming back and hornqvist is not close to return. they dont need to move anyone to activate duclair and if they end up being a seller they probably just move hornqvist as a rental. i don't think you'll be getting bennet or reinhart for pennies on the dollar.. florida is not desperate enough unless hornqvist magically comes back.. theoretically they can keep him there as long as they want because it's "concussion" not something u can just look at and say he's 100% healthy or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: why does florida need to create cap space? duclair is the only one that's coming back and hornqvist is not close to return. they dont need to move anyone to activate duclair and if they end up being a seller they probably just move hornqvist as a rental. i don't think you'll be getting bennet or reinhart for pennies on the dollar.. florida is not desperate enough unless hornqvist magically comes back.. theoretically they can keep him there as long as they want because it's "concussion" not something u can just look at and say he's 100% healthy or not. Hornqvist is already travelling with the team so there is no expectation that he will be out for the rest of the season. They can’t just keep him on LTIR indefinitely if he is healthy and after the deadline they don’t have any way to move money and become cap compliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Provost said: Hornqvist is already travelling with the team so there is no expectation that he will be out for the rest of the season. They can’t just keep him on LTIR indefinitely if he is healthy and after the deadline they don’t have any way to move money and become cap compliant. report last week hornqvist is travelling with team but no where close to returning. just like duclair is travelling with team but he's not expected back till after the all star break which is like 3 weeks away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 16, 2023 Author Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: report last week hornqvist is travelling with team but no where close to returning. just like duclair is travelling with team but he's not expected back till after the all star break which is like 3 weeks away You don’t seem to be suffering from an over abundance of comprehension. Both players will be back this season, it doesn’t matter if it is in 2 days or 2 months. The Panthers don’t have room for them to come back. If they don’t create space before the players are back and/or before the trade deadline they will immediately become non compliant to the cap. That will result in massive punishments by the league. They know they have to shed cap, and they know it has to happen before the deadline. 5 seconds of Google will show you a number of articles written on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Provost said: You don’t seem to be suffering from an over abundance of comprehension. Both players will be back this season, it doesn’t matter if it is in 2 days or 2 months. The Panthers don’t have room for them to come back. If they don’t create space before the players are back and/or before the trade deadline they will immediately become non compliant to the cap. That will result in massive punishments by the league. They know they have to shed cap, and they know it has to happen before the deadline. 5 seconds of Google will show you a number of articles written on this. lol they have the trade deadline to be sellers they dont need to sell for pennies on the dollar.. so u don't think there'd be teams that'll that would take some of their vets if they become a seller? or they move hornqvist to a contender? or pay a low draft pick to a bottom feeder who'd only less than 2mil for the rest of the season and gain a draft pick? but ya they would rather sell players with value for pennies? when was the last time u saw a team be non compliant for the cap due to LTIR? players were on LTIR and all of a sudden off it the moment they have enough cap space to be compliant.. they have plenty of time to move hornqvist and teams would gladly take him if they include a pick. but love ur insult coz it hurts soooooo much Edited January 16, 2023 by wai_lai416 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 17, 2023 Author Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol they have the trade deadline to be sellers they dont need to sell for pennies on the dollar.. so u don't think there'd be teams that'll that would take some of their vets if they become a seller? or they move hornqvist to a contender? or pay a low draft pick to a bottom feeder who'd only less than 2mil for the rest of the season and gain a draft pick? but ya they would rather sell players with value for pennies? when was the last time u saw a team be non compliant for the cap due to LTIR? players were on LTIR and all of a sudden off it the moment they have enough cap space to be compliant.. they have plenty of time to move hornqvist and teams would gladly take him if they include a pick. but love ur insult coz it hurts soooooo much None of the things you have mentioned are at all likely to happen. 1. The closer they get to the deadline or the closer the players get to returning, the more leverage teams have against them. They literally can't go past the deadline without trading a large contract off their roster. No one is doing them a favour out of the goodness of their heart. 2. There are almost no teams that can take on their veterans without sending cap back. We are one of a a very few due to the Pearson LTIR, and it is even a shorter list of teams with cap space AND who are willing to spend cash. 3. No one is taking Hornqvist as a contender without sending at least as much cap back. That is just a ludicrous suggestion. An underperforming older player who has been a 4th liner of recent times with a big cap hit coming off a significant injury isn't a valuable commodity... I am not sure what league you have been watching for the last few years. 4. It is not a LOW draft pick for another team to pick up a couple of million in cap/cash for the rest of the season. We paid a 2nd round pick just to ditch less than in the Dickenson-Stillman swap with Dickenson who is a useful player and not a cap dump. The Panthers used up all their high picks, and that would be the cost of moving a contract like Hornqvist to one of the few teams that have cap space and willingness to use it. An additional note, of the few teams with cap space to weaponize... there will be a lot of teams jockeying to trade for that space. You will almost certainly see teams launder money as a 3rd party in a trade just to eat 50% of a salary so a contender can afford the player they want. No team is giving away over $5 million in cap space that Florida needs to clear without at least one, if not multiple 1st round picks coming their way (Florida has none) or an absolute blue chip prospects (Florida has none). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 If it's pennies on the dollar for a guy like Reinhart or Bennett, Buffalo comes in and takes one. /thread 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 When Florida does decide to sell (hopefully trade away Bennett for cap space), whoever's GM at the time has hopefully traded Horvat so we'd have the space to take him on. This team will need all the wins it can get when it comes to roster construction, since our big ticket guys are immovable at this point without a major cap spike. Trading Horvat for 1st ++ then taking back $4.425 million in cap to get a replacement #2 C would mean that we'd get futures while not really sacrificing the present (they want to "retool" not rebuild), and that sounds just like a Rutherford move to me [which I'd be fine with in this case]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 19 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol they have the trade deadline to be sellers they dont need to sell for pennies on the dollar.. so u don't think there'd be teams that'll that would take some of their vets if they become a seller? or they move hornqvist to a contender? or pay a low draft pick to a bottom feeder who'd only less than 2mil for the rest of the season and gain a draft pick? but ya they would rather sell players with value for pennies? when was the last time u saw a team be non compliant for the cap due to LTIR? players were on LTIR and all of a sudden off it the moment they have enough cap space to be compliant.. they have plenty of time to move hornqvist and teams would gladly take him if they include a pick. but love ur insult coz it hurts soooooo much Maybe take a break from criticizing everyone else’s proposals and make one of your own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Bennett is the perfect 3 rd line center and can play 2nd if need be 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 hours ago, HKSR said: If it's pennies on the dollar for a guy like Reinhart or Bennett, Buffalo comes in and takes one. /thread this is where our lack of cap space come into being a problem there are a couple of teams, Montreal and Vancouver that are capped out and rebuilding all the rest, Chicago etc are in the bottom 1/3 of the cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, garthsbutcher said: Bennett is the perfect 3 rd line center and can play 2nd if need be I like Bennett but prefer JK as part of the return in a trade with the Canes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Would take Bennett or ideally Reinhart for Rathbone, but then we'd really need to stack up some defenders. Bo could get us a 3C and young D, but if we go Rathbone for Bennett then surely Bo nabs us a solid defenceman, defensive prospect +/- pick. Florida have so many strong centers they can afford to let Bennett go, especially with Lundell due some more minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 The mistake we made last time was over swinging. We went desperate and signed LE by mistake. Looking back we would have been better served to grab solid low cost assets like Helm or Shattenkirk. Those two have held value for a long time. Like Schenn is doing for us now. I think go after a serviceable dman till we can draft a blue chipper, use Bo or Brock or JT (pair with a Hogs or Rathbone or Podz) to trade for a young stud type dman. Not undersized dmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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