HKSR Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 How often do we as a collective on CDC think we will get the moon and the stars whenever we trade someone? Right. Never. So here are my thoughts on realistic trade deals. You'll likely read them and think "that's not nearly enough"... which means it's probably realistic. TRADE #1 To VAN: Martin Necas Scott Morrow To CAR: Bo Horvat Necas is an established forward at age 24. A solid top 6 option for the Canucks. Morrow is a highly regarded RHD prospect. Carolina gets Bo. Enough said. TRADE #2 To VAN: 2nd Round Pick (MAYBE a 2024 1st round pick) To Contender: Luke Schenn It'd be nice to get a 1st round pick back, but again... realistically, it'll be a 2nd round pick. This year's draft is just way too deep. Perhaps a 2024 1st round pick instead? TRADE #3 To VAN: Ty Dellandrea 2nd Round Pick To DAL: Andrei Kuzmenko Dellandrea is a 6'1" 195lbs RH centre that has solid upside and plays a sound 2-way game. Could blossom into an excellent 3rd line centre for Vancouver. Also add a 2nd round pick as well. Realistically, Boeser will probably not be moved. The cost is likely too high to 'sweeten' a deal to move him. Same argument for Garland, so it makes sense that Kuzmenko is moved. Notables also not being moved this TDL: Tyler Myers -- won't be moved until next season when his bonus has been paid out, and he only has 1 year left on his deal Tanner Pearson -- won't be any takers until next year now that he's injured for the season So there we have it. Are any of these home runs? Nope. Are they realistic deals? Based on how it feels like it's not quite enough to make us happy, they're probably as realistic as they can get. Also notice there are no 1st round picks involved here. I personally think 2023's 1st round picks are too valuable for any team to want to give up this year. The bright side is we add a few promising young players in Necas, Dellandrea, and Morrow, while also adding a couple 2nd round picks for the upcoming draft. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob.Loblaw Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 The only unrealistic trade I think will be Schenn, which you're overvaluing. I think it's more realistic for him to get a 3rd rounder plus a depth replacement. Not to knock on his contributions to the team - but he's going to be on the third pairing of any contender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Carolina hangs up the phone with a derisive snort one #1. 2nd rounder for Schenn sounds about right. ‘Not sure about #3. Don’t think Myers has any value, 1 million cost but who has 6M in cap space and wants to bring the chaos. Even for 3M that is not what teams are looking for. He runs his contract out helping us tank again next year. ‘Pearson who knows if plays again, if does and is decent out at deadline next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUCKER67 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I like realistic proposals, and I like these trades! Bringing in Necas, Morrow, Dellandrea and a couple of 2nds would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Necas has had a nice bounce back season and Wadell is notoriously stingy-dont think youre getting him + Morrow but I wouldn’t complain thats for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted January 19 Author Share Posted January 19 4 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Carolina hangs up the phone with a derisive snort one #1. 2nd rounder for Schenn sounds about right. ‘Not sure about #3. Don’t think Myers has any value, 1 million cost but who has 6M in cap space and wants to bring the chaos. Even for 3M that is not what teams are looking for. He runs his contract out helping us tank again next year. ‘Pearson who knows if plays again, if does and is decent out at deadline next season. Why do you think Carolina would scoff at that deal? Their centres are Aho, Staal, Stastny, and Kotkaniemi. Bo would be a perfect 2C for them moving into the future. Unless you feel Staal and Stastny are hanging around for awhile. They're stacked on the wings, would make sense for them to convert one of their wingers to a centre instead. Morrow has his work cut out for him to make the roster. Heck, Ethan Bear who is a very capable RHD couldn't even stick around there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I think from the Canes the return might be. Kotkaniemi + Morrow + 1st. for Bo and Schenn 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 31 minutes ago, hammertime said: I think from the Canes the return might be. Kotkaniemi + Morrow + 1st. for Bo and Schenn If we taking Kotkan they are gonna have to really pay up. Near 5M deal for the next 7 years after this one. He’s young but that’s still a huge commitment for someone who’s initial season into this 8 year deal hasn’t been great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: If we taking Kotkan they are gonna have to really pay up. Near 5M deal for the next 7 years after this one. He’s young but that’s still a huge commitment for someone who’s initial season into this 8 year deal hasn’t been great. aaaand? We went through this last year with Miller if we want their 1st and Morrow we have to pay up. Something like this is probably the best offer we will get so we should probably take it before he sails ufa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 3 minutes ago, hammertime said: aaaand? We went through this last year with Miller if we want their 1st and Morrow we have to pay up. Something like this is probably the best offer we will get so we should probably take it before he sails ufa. I would want more if I am taking that contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, HKSR said: Why do you think Carolina would scoff at that deal? Their centres are Aho, Staal, Stastny, and Kotkaniemi. Bo would be a perfect 2C for them moving into the future. Unless you feel Staal and Stastny are hanging around for awhile. They're stacked on the wings, would make sense for them to convert one of their wingers to a centre instead. Morrow has his work cut out for him to make the roster. Heck, Ethan Bear who is a very capable RHD couldn't even stick around there. Bear's a 5-6D though, if Morrow hits his potential he'll be top 4, I don't view Bear as having top 4 upside I do think Staal comes back as their 3C, if they look to upgrade their 2C which I agree they should it makes sense that Kotkaniemi would be a player who is moved out Necas leads their team in points, as a team who should probably be looking to get over the hump I don't think he's a player they'd be looking to move Edited January 19 by Coconuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Sad reality is we're probably going to spin our wheels for a while. But I'd gladly be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Kuz stays. The others look pretty realistic to me 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 1 hour ago, DrJockitch said: Carolina hangs up the phone with a derisive snort one #1. 2nd rounder for Schenn sounds about right. ‘Not sure about #3. Don’t think Myers has any value, 1 million cost but who has 6M in cap space and wants to bring the chaos. Even for 3M that is not what teams are looking for. He runs his contract out helping us tank again next year. ‘Pearson who knows if plays again, if does and is decent out at deadline next season. Think you wrong abut Carolina trade.. 1 hour ago, hammertime said: I think from the Canes the return might be. Kotkaniemi + Morrow + 1st. for Bo and Schenn Kotkaniemi 22- 6'2 - GP 281- G 41 -- PTS 107 - 7 yrs X 4.8 million --NO THANKS 3rd line player Morrow RD - 20 6'2---- Drury 22 - 5'11 ----- 1st rounder--- Horvat 27 -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, HKSR said: Why do you think Carolina would scoff at that deal? Their centres are Aho, Staal, Stastny, and Kotkaniemi. Bo would be a perfect 2C for them moving into the future. Unless you feel Staal and Stastny are hanging around for awhile. They're stacked on the wings, would make sense for them to convert one of their wingers to a centre instead. Morrow has his work cut out for him to make the roster. Heck, Ethan Bear who is a very capable RHD couldn't even stick around there. Morrow is possible. Don’t think they are willing to trade Necas here and they probably wouldn’t add a high pic on top of those two even if they would consider that. Carolina shies away from these type of deals in general. They don’t tend to go big. I thought they should have been the team JTM went to (still do) but Bo would be great for them. Plus Necas a really good player but another winger when we still haven’t moved any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boknows08 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Really like Dellandrea and what he brings, need more fwds like him. Agree, think he could be the perfect 3c for the future. If not Kuz then maybe as part of a package for Bo. Bo and Schenn to the Stars would make them a cup contender. They don’t have any cap space so a deal may be tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Powers Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I’d take trade 1 and run. Apparently Necas was a non-starter, so not sure if we could get him + Morrow. I’d be happy with Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st. It checks all the boxes for age, position, and seems realistic. Maybe either side adds a bit, but that’s the bones of a good deal. trade 2 seems more than realistic, and could also see him included in the Horvat trade to a contender (including your trade 1) have to agree with @Devron that we likely re-sign Kuz. If we don’t, I like that you targeted a potential 3C in trade 3 Great proposals 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Powers Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: If we taking Kotkan they are gonna have to really pay up. Near 5M deal for the next 7 years after this one. He’s young but that’s still a huge commitment for someone who’s initial season into this 8 year deal hasn’t been great. Hasn’t his production picked up of late? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 4 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: Hasn’t his production picked up of late? Not really. Currently on pace for around 30 points this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Kuz has such a small cap hit this year, there is no reason why the return couldn't be a 1st with no salary coming back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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