Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: What? Gillis’ was following the direction of the owner. Sacrifice the future to win now. He did it well, but it wasn’t sustainable. Benning was just terrible on all accounts. Nice guy. Easier to like than Gillis for sure. But absolutely a worse GM. Not arguable. Just look at the team results. Very clear. No one deliberately tanks during their drafting. Gillis was absolutely clueless when it came to assessing players for his own team. This happened after all the players he acquired from before were no longer the same as before. Drafting/developing was a GM job that Gillis failed to do well in. Stop conflating responsibilities with the owner. The owner hired people to do their jobs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 53 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Nobody blinks when JR says that Petey is the only untouchable. Then when it looks like they're going to move Horvat, the sky is falling. Look, I would totally prefer Horvat to stay on this team but he wants too much money and you can't be paying your 2C like a 1C. Horvat is not asking #1 center money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neversummer Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 BB is acting with class ... so I hope he might get another chance somewhere else ... if he wants to coach again. Time will reveal character and folly. BB demonstrating character ... Mgmt -> folly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Angry Goose said: Im not familiar with these numerous outright lies-care to elaborate? https://canucksarmy.com/news/analyzing-patrik-allvinrjim-rutherford-diverged-original-plan “If we add the right players, we can be a playoff team pretty quick,” said Rutherford at the end-of-season press conference last year. Does this sound familiar? The Negatives On the other hand, there have been some areas where Allvin and Rutherford’s actions have not matched up with their words. These are different situations where the Canucks seem to not be following the plan that the new management group sold fans on when they arrived. Now that it’s been 12 months, the Canucks have utterly failed at this goal. They re-signed J.T. Miller to a large contract, paid Ilya Mikheyev in free agency, and failed to unload any significant salary commitments. One of the most blatant disregards for previous plans has been the Canucks’ stance on trading draft picks. One of the biggest criticisms of the last management group was their willingness to deal draft picks without being a true contender, leaving the Canucks lacking in the prospects department. “I don’t want to trade draft picks unless they’re later-round picks. It’s not the cycle we’re in to trade high draft picks,” said Rutherford at one of his first press conferences. Rutherford’s strong stance against trading high draft picks echoed the thoughts of many fans. However, this season the Canucks dealt Jason Dickinson and a second-round pick for Riley Stillman, giving up a pick that’s likely to land within the top 45 to dump some salary. --- https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/rutherford-introduces-allvin-as-canucks-gm-some-big-decisions-are-coming-up-4997851 Article date: May 5, 2022 5:31 PM Rutherford made it clear that Allvin has his work cut out for him immediately, with a quote that sounded like a direct shot at the previous Canucks regime, which went all-in on a team that wasn’t anywhere near a Cup contender. “We have to add more players to get to where we want to get to,” said Rutherford. “That's something that's going to have to be decided here leading up to the trading deadline. We’ve got to figure out a way to get a little cushion on the cap. (Team does nothing at the trade deadline) ---- https://www.vancouverhockeynow.com/2022/01/26/nhl-hockey-vancouver-canucks-pacific-division-jim-rutherford-patrik-allvin Rutherford stressed that GM Allvin will run the day-to-day operations of the hockey department and will be the key figure in decision making. When bigger deals come along, and likely for any player movement early on, Rutherford says he'll act as a sounding board and provide input. (The reality is far from this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Odd. said: Seattle is looking great. I mean…… its not too late to jump on the bandwagon ;3 i wont judge wayward canucks fans for embracing our neighbours, the kraken 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 At what point do the Sedins and Smyl decide to quit rather than continuing to work under this scumbag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 @Dazzle sorry but I have a hard time chalking up Canucks army click bait articles to “outright lies”. Not trying to be mgmt defender here but cherry picking certain moves/lack of some as “utter failure” is a little much for me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: @Dazzle sorry but I have a hard time chalking up Canucks army click bait articles to “outright lies”. Not trying to be mgmt defender here but cherry picking certain moves/lack of some as “utter failure” is a little much for me. Did you even bother reading the quotes from the person? What he said is directly opposite of what the reality is. Furthermore, you didn't even bother addressing anything from the other links. It doesn't seem like you're sincere about a discussion that may challenge your own views. Is "utter failure" truly that much of an hyperbole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Did you even bother reading the quotes from the person? What he said is directly opposite of what the reality is. Furthermore, you didn't even bother addressing anything from the other links. It doesn't seem like you're sincere about a discussion that may challenge your own views. Is "utter failure" truly that much of an hyperbole? tell me what are my views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Zerofaith said: And you shouldnt pay a 2nd line winger 8 million by that logic True enough. He was the #1 point man by a large margin but the lesson is that he only put up numbers that big in 1 season. The counter argument is that $8M is fair for a 70-80 point man as a top line winger. That they didn't pay him like a 100 point guy Edited January 21, 2023 by Crabcakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Feel however you will about the job this team has done on the ice, off the ice it has been unforced embarrassing error after unforced embarrassing error while continuing to find a way to always chose the wrong direction. The way they have misunderstood this market wouldn’t be surprised to see Provorov coming this way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: True enough. He was the #1 point man by a large margin but the lesson is that he only put up numbers that big in 1 season. The counter argument is that $8M is fair for a 70-80 point man as a top line winger. That they didn't pay him like a 100 point guy He's not playing as a top line winger right now though on this roster. He's a second liner at the moment because Kuzmenko has done well with Pettersson. Besides, these classifications that you're using are outdated. At this point, you should just be happy that they're close to PPG. Miller, quite frankly, should not have been prioritized over Horvat. This is a failing of management. Edited January 21, 2023 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofaith Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: True enough. He was the #1 point man by a large margin but the lesson is that he only put up numbers that big in 1 season. The counter argument is that $8M is fair for a 70-80 point man as a top line winger. That they didn't pay him like a 100 point guy You pay 8 mil for the whole package not half assed defensive efforts and cheating on the offence to pad his stats lets just agree to disagree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Dazzle said: Yikes. Are you saying that Miller is worth more than Horvat? I know, it's muddy and you're not reading all of my posts on this thread. It's not perfect but Miller is historically a 70-80 point guy and Horvat is a 60 point guy. Miller had a 99 point career season and Horvat is projecting to 50+ goals this year. Horvat is a 2C and Miller is a 1LW so who do you pay more? Also, if Horvat has unreasonable demands, and Miller will walk back his demands, and you don't want to lose both of them, do you sign Miller knowing you probably will never be able to keep Horvat? Make the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Horvat is not asking #1 center money. What's his ask then? You don't know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dazzle said: He's not playing as a top line winger right now though on this roster. He's a second liner at the moment because Kuzmenko has done well with Pettersson. Besides, these classifications that you're using are outdated. At this point, you should just be happy that they're close to PPG. Miller, quite frankly, should not have been prioritized over Horvat. This is a failing of management. If Horvat is out of reach, do you let Miller go too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveongabe Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Couldn't agree more. The way they are treating Bruce is a disgrace, I am a ashamed to be a Canuck fan. A new coach won't change anything. We just don't have enuf talent and that is not Bruce's fault, From cup finalist 11 years ago to to bottom feeder, whose fault is that? Time for the owner to look in the mirror. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: If Horvat is out of reach, do you let Miller go too? Horvat wasn't out of reach. There was space to re-sign him because Miller was signed for 8. In short, yes, Miller should've been traded. It was a very easy decision that management couldn't even get right. Horvat does almost everything better than Miller, except maybe scoring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerofaith Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 In a positive development just had an amazing bowel movement 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Just now, Zerofaith said: In a positive development just had an amazing bowel movement I have more respect for the turd you just flushed than I do for Rutherford. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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