What happened to this organization?

[Toni Zamboni]

it went all down hill after Lu made those comments to the media during the Cup run against the Bruins.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, FaninMex said:

The only one that keeps saying it is Alf

Nonis did a recent interview where he pretty much said he refused to trade futures (Edler and Kessler) for Brad Richards and was fired.  Our owner has instructed every management group he’s had to build the team within his parameters.  Pretty much everyone knows this. 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Toni Zamboni said:

it went all down hill after Lu made those comments to the media during the Cup run against the Bruins.

Didn’t we win the President’s trophy again the next season though?  Gillis wanted to rebuild.  Aquilini said no and fired him.  Then hired Benning.  Downhill since. 

[Crimson-JH]

4 hours ago, Dazzle said:

I'm convinced that the women they hired for this team were for PR purposes. They are not seen at all making hockey decisions. Then again, no one else is making them. It's JR, and it always has been him.

 

Allvin is the most useless GM I've ever seen.

Allvin is just a Yes man and a puppet, and JR is running the show. 

[DrJockitch]

An unwillingness to be bad for a short term so that we could be good for the long-run has led us to be bad for the long-run

[Dazzle]

5 hours ago, Iron Man said:

Aqua came on board when the team was already in a period of success. He was not present prior to the WCE. But after 2013, he tried to hold on to the remnants of the previous eras. He refused to adapt because he was never a part of a rebuild and he still refuses to be a part of one.

He purchased the team in two phases, with the last half of it in 2006. He's had the team for a lot longer than people realize, so yes, he's seen it all.

 

The problem is that he doesn't know it all either.  But you're right, he really did try to hold onto the remnants of the previous eras.

 

As for "never a part of a rebuild", the Canucks never rebuilt after 2006 at all. It's just been trying to replicate the above successes. He's a long time fan and that is undeniable.

Edited January 22, 2023 by Dazzle

[Dazzle]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Didn’t we win the President’s trophy again the next season though?  Gillis wanted to rebuild.  Aquilini said no and fired him.  Then hired Benning.  Downhill since. 

Gillis may have wanted to rebuild, but his failure to draft and develop throughout the six years became difficult to hide. The team was coincidentally staling, likely because of the failure to replace the aging players like the Sedins, etc.

 

There was no doubt that Gillis benefited from the previous regimes, and there was also no doubt that he made positive contributions. However, when it came down to making his own team, the failure was evident. 33 failed picks out of 37 will hurt any prospect pool, especially one that wasn't deep to begin with.

 

I don't believe for a second that Gillis wanted to get himself fired by drafting so poorly. People will say his draft positions were not high, but he's held first round picks before, even if they are basically high second rounders. The problem was that he flubbed all of the second round picks too (or traded them away). Much of the other picks failed in the same way. 

 

We must not forget how poor of a drafter he was, in addition to the fact that he brought a lot of winning years to the team.

[D.B Cooper]

We were never respected.  
The era you were talking about, we were winning Prez trophies and had Kes and Burr doing their thing.  
We were hated big time.  
Now, people are stoked to see us at the bottom for so long. 
 

We went from being hated to being laughed at.  
It was just a lot more fun for us when we were hated instead 

Edited January 22, 2023 by D.B Cooper

[Boudrias]

Is Rutherford's new admin out to lunch? IMHO what has to happen in Vancouver is a major retool not just of players but the mindset of players, org personnel and yes, the fans. 

 

The feel good stuff is nice but it has not yielded results. #1 priority has to be building a contender.  

[whcanuck]

The thing that’s always harmed this organization, save for a few years…is just the complete inability to defend. Even in 2011, we were # 1 in goals against, we had an incomprehensible meltdown in the Stanley Cup Finals, getting outscored 23-8 in the series. Honestly, although we won the Presidents Trophy again in 2012, I feel the 2011 Cup Final was the turning point for this organization. I still don’t think the franchise has gotten over the devastating loss. Everything was aligned to win it all that year, and it all just came crashing down in such an ugly manner. Since then almost every move the franchise has made has backfired. The Canucks brand was DEEPLY harmed after the 2011 Cup Final, and it’s going to take an incredibly committed effort to get this train back on the tracks again.

[Mackcanuck]

These guys are going to bring us a Championship?

 

Edited January 22, 2023 by Mackcanuck

[Alflives]

39 minutes ago, whcanuck said:

The thing that’s always harmed this organization, save for a few years…is just the complete inability to defend. Even in 2011, we were # 1 in goals against, we had an incomprehensible meltdown in the Stanley Cup Finals, getting outscored 23-8 in the series. Honestly, although we won the Presidents Trophy again in 2012, I feel the 2011 Cup Final was the turning point for this organization. I still don’t think the franchise has gotten over the devastating loss. Everything was aligned to win it all that year, and it all just came crashing down in such an ugly manner. Since then almost every move the franchise has made has backfired. The Canucks brand was DEEPLY harmed after the 2011 Cup Final, and it’s going to take an incredibly committed effort to get this train back on the tracks again.

Who is the constant across the three management teams since 2011?  Aquilini and his “direction”.  

[Alflives]

52 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Gillis may have wanted to rebuild, but his failure to draft and develop throughout the six years became difficult to hide. The team was coincidentally staling, likely because of the failure to replace the aging players like the Sedins, etc.

 

There was no doubt that Gillis benefited from the previous regimes, and there was also no doubt that he made positive contributions. However, when it came down to making his own team, the failure was evident. 33 failed picks out of 37 will hurt any prospect pool, especially one that wasn't deep to begin with.

 

I don't believe for a second that Gillis wanted to get himself fired by drafting so poorly. People will say his draft positions were not high, but he's held first round picks before, even if they are basically high second rounders. The problem was that he flubbed all of the second round picks too (or traded them away). Much of the other picks failed in the same way. 

 

We must not forget how poor of a drafter he was, in addition to the fact that he brought a lot of winning years to the team.

Our owner made a huge mistake firing Gillis and hiring Benning.  We cannot deny the GM of our most successful teams was Gillis.  

[Alflives]

2 hours ago, Crimson-JH said:

Allvin is just a Yes man and a puppet, and JR is running the show. 

Both Allvin and JR are puppets who must operate within the direction set by the owner’s hand. 

[Alflives]

49 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Is Rutherford's new admin out to lunch? IMHO what has to happen in Vancouver is a major retool not just of players but the mindset of players, org personnel and yes, the fans. 

 

The feel good stuff is nice but it has not yielded results. #1 priority has to be building a contender.  

Does JR have a choice in the direction of how to make the team a winner?  

[Dazzle]

9 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Who is the constant across the three management teams since 2011?  Aquilini and his “direction”.  

Aquilini bought the team completely since 2006. Who is the constant of the successes and failures? Aquilini.

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Our owner made a huge mistake firing Gillis and hiring Benning.  We cannot deny the GM of our most successful teams was Gillis.  

It's true we have no idea how Gillis would have rebuilt.

 

The goalie controversy was a terrible PR move and was the ultimate nail in the coffin though.

 

Just like how this treatment of Boudreau is panning out.

 

When the Canucks are playing well they seem to lack the media attention but when there is controversy they are vultures. 

 

It seems like that anyway. JR has dug himself a hole and I hope he strikes gold cause it's looking like a deep one.

[73 Percent]

Stop buying tickets.

[Dazzle]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Does JR have a choice in the direction of how to make the team a winner?  

Of course he does. He is 2nd in command and he is evidently the one making all the hires. If you noticed, all of his previous colleagues are in positions for this team. To pretend that it's all Aquilini is disingenous.

 

Aquilini is paying the bills, but JR is the one who is pulling most of the strings for the staff hires and roster changes.

[Dazzle]

1 minute ago, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

It's true we have no idea how Gillis would have rebuilt.

 

The goalie controversy was a terrible PR move and was the ultimate nail in the coffin though.

 

Just like how this treatment of Boudreau is panning out.

 

When the Canucks are playing well they seem to lack the media attention but when there is controversy they are vultures. 

 

It seems like that anyway. JR has dug himself a hole and I hope he strikes gold cause it's looking like a deep one.

One thing for sure is that Gillis wouldn't have been a good rebuilding GM. The fact that he missed so many draft picks is evidence of that.

 

We're not talking about 10 missed draft picks. He's only had three successful draft picks throughout his six years here. THREE. Connauton would've been four, but he was traded away for a playoff run and never played with the Canucks.