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[Report] Canucks fire Bruce Boudreau, Trent Cull; name Rick Tocchet as head coach, Adam Foote as assistant coach, Sergei Gonchar as defensive development coach

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11 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

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I was talking about wins above replacement. His record is slightly lower than the record of his team's true talent level. Win % is not part of that equation. 

Nepotism comes from the word "nephew".  It dates back to the 1400's.  It was used by the Popes who showed favours to relatives in their family.

 

Nepotism Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

Cronyism comes from the word "crony", meaning friend.  It dates back to the 1900's.  In today's English the word to giving favours to friends and associates is cronyism...

 

Cronyism Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

The difference between Nepotism and Cronyism is in who gets favored. Nepotism is favoritism shown to kinsmen by assigning privileged positions or responsibilities, awarding contracts, promoting, or employing them. Cronyism is favoritism that benefits friends through recruitment, promotions, contracts, etc.

 

Nepotism is often used by individuals to elevate their family members within the corporate environment, it is also common in family-run businesses as members of the family are usually the ones that comprise the company’s board or become CEO. On the other hand, cronyism is used to elevate one’s cronies and often to reward their loyalty and friendship.

 

Nepotism vs Cronyism: Similarities and Differences - Financial Falconet

 

 

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6 hours ago, EdgarM said:

You are right, that era was probably the last time we had a coach and players who didn't take any crap. We also had Momesso, Diduck and Sandlak. We all know what Gino could do but he did see much of the bench during the playoffs. Craven was probably one of the only softies on the team and even he didn't shy away from the rough stuff.

You are right about the 2000's , there was some pretty embarrassing moments in this teams history and I really hope that it is all behind us now and we become a team which the visitors are no longer comfortable in coming into our building.

Yes Sandlak until 93.   Momesso, Diduck and Babych.    Babych cart wheeled Big Bob Probert behind the net once - a reverse hit.   And anyone that remembers him, remember's his one glove hold where he put forwards into the position he wanted them to be and rarely called.    Even McYntire and Walter weren't snowflakes.   Of course Courtnall wasn't either or Linden,  or the smallest guy in Ronning.  Stajonov and Antoski were both large bodies too.  Hunter, Gino ... it wasn't a nursery school like today in comparison that's for sure.    Tochett is the toughest guy in the room and he's 58. 

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9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Nepotism comes from the word "nephew".  It dates back to the 1400's.  It was used by the Popes who showed favours to relatives in their family.

 

Nepotism Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

Cronyism comes from the word "crony", meaning friend.  It dates back to the 1900's.  In today's English the word to giving favours to friends and associates is cronyism...

 

Cronyism Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

 

The difference between Nepotism and Cronyism is in who gets favored. Nepotism is favoritism shown to kinsmen by assigning privileged positions or responsibilities, awarding contracts, promoting, or employing them. Cronyism is favoritism that benefits friends through recruitment, promotions, contracts, etc.

 

Nepotism is often used by individuals to elevate their family members within the corporate environment, it is also common in family-run businesses as members of the family are usually the ones that comprise the company’s board or become CEO. On the other hand, cronyism is used to elevate one’s cronies and often to reward their loyalty and friendship.

 

Nepotism vs Cronyism: Similarities and Differences - Financial Falconet

 

 

Yes that is the origin of the word but word evolve and the accepted definition today according the Oxford dictionary, the preeminent authority on definitions, it now include friends. 

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6 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

Yes that is the origin of the word but word evolve and the accepted definition today according the Oxford dictionary, the preeminent authority on definitions, it now include friends. 

Oxford still separates the two...

 

Nepotism - Oxford Reference

 

nepotism noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

 

Is the action of appointing and promoting family and relatives. In an organization, it means that family members are favoured over others, even though they may not be as qualified or skilled. 

 

Cronyism - Oxford Reference

 

cronyism noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

 

The preferential treatment of one's friends or colleagues.

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19 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Oxford still separates the two...

 

Nepotism - Oxford Reference

 

nepotism noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

 

Is the action of appointing and promoting family and relatives. In an organization, it means that family members are favoured over others, even though they may not be as qualified or skilled. 

 

Cronyism - Oxford Reference

 

cronyism noun - Definition, pictures, pronunciation and usage notes | Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary at OxfordLearnersDictionaries.com

 

The preferential treatment of one's friends or colleagues.

That is the Oxford Reference Dictionary which doesn't include modern definition and usage and kind of go in depth to etymology rather than everyday usage. 

 

I agree with you on the traditional definition but I was being cavalier about the use of nepotism as it is defined by Google that reference the Oxford Dictionary Online which defines modern English. I ain't writing an essay here. 

 

This is a really stupid argument we are having. Language is weird. 

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I've been listening to 650 talk about how people around the league have nothing but positive things to say about Tocchet.  Then I come on here and read all about his criminal history.  Then I realize that some of those posters are the very same people who are constantly whining about "the negative local media"

lol too funny!  Unintentionally funny... but still pretty darned funny.

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What I love about Tocchet is in his recent radio interview he said " He plans to have players hackle and police one another during shift changes and accountability on the ice. "

 

I personally love that, in competitive gaming for example in E sports if you perform poorly during a play or a round you'll be hacked and harassed by your team so you know better not to make that same mistake again. I think that type of old school learning is much needed learning from fear of being rediculed by your team is HUGE and I know in the past both Quienvelle and Babcock used this approach to insane, incredible results.

 

Sure it may not sit well with everyone but the managment of this team are old school and not soft nor do they seem to care about humanitarian side of business which means results! This a result oriented team now and I for one am all for it.

 

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8 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

I've been listening to 650 talk about how people around the league have nothing but positive things to say about Tocchet.  Then I come on here and read all about his criminal history.  Then I realize that some of those posters are the very same people who are constantly whining about "the negative local media"

lol too funny!  Unintentionally funny... but still pretty darned funny.

Placing bets on football in 2006, and serving a 2 year probation has literally zero bearing on his ability to coach our team.  Don’t understand the fixation myself. 

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4 minutes ago, CanuckRookieFan said:

What I love about Tocchet is in his recent radio interview he said He plans to have players hackle and police one another during shift changes and accountability on the ice. I personally love that, in competitive gaming for example in E sports if you perform poorly during a play or a round you'll be hacked and harassed by your team so you know better not to make that same mistake again. I think that type of old school learning is much needed learning from fear of being rediculed by your team is HUGE and I know in the past both Quienvelle and Babcock used this approach to insane, incredible results.

Sure it may not sit well with everyone but the managment of this team are old school and not soft nor do they seem to care about humanitarian side of business which means results! This a result oriented team now and  I for one am all for it.

 

I disagree completely. 

 

Old school is out....bullying isn't cool and that's exactly what that crap leads to. There are better ways to get people to play hard.

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1 minute ago, Kenny Powers said:

Placing bets on football in 2006, and serving a 2 year probation has literally zero bearing on his ability to coach our team.  Don’t understand the fixation myself. 

Me neither.

 

People realize there’s players in the league that have done a lot worse right?

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Just now, Kenny Powers said:

Placing bets on football in 2006, and serving a 2 year probation has literally zero bearing on his ability to coach our team.  Don’t understand the fixation myself. 

Some people just want to complain, the topic doesn’t seem to matter. 
 

todays menu:

 

Appetizer

Miller’s contract carpaccio

 

Main

16oz Coaching Bump Mignon

 

Dessert

Nepotism Flambé 

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2 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

I disagree completely. 

 

Old school is out....bullying isn't cool and that's exactly what that crap leads to. There are better ways to get people to play hard.

They were just talking about him on 640 AM and he said word for word he plans to have guys police each other on line changes and daily accountability. It may seem "toxic" but as it stands that's his approach and I can't wait to see how it lands in this market. 

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1 minute ago, CanuckRookieFan said:

They were just talking about him on 640 AM and he said word for word he plans to have guys police each other on line changes and daily accountability. It may seem "toxic" but as it stands that's his approach and I can't wait to see how it lands in this market. 

Every coach say that and tries that. Prove will be in the pudding if he can accomplish it. 

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3 minutes ago, CanuckRookieFan said:

They were just talking about him on 640 AM and he said word for word he plans to have guys police each other on line changes and daily accountability. It may seem "toxic" but as it stands that's his approach and I can't wait to see how it lands in this market. 

Police each other is a little different than you worded it.

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3 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Some people just want to complain, the topic doesn’t seem to matter. 
 

todays menu:

 

Appetizer

Miller’s contract carpaccio

 

Main

16oz Coaching Bump Mignon

 

Dessert

Nepotism Flambé 

Oh so people that have critical takes contrary to your optimism are petulant child? 

 

You have a very 'greater than thou vibe' going on here. 

 

I am not gonna regenerate the reasoning behin that menu from a not insignificant group of fans. 

 

Let fans be the fans they want. That is the point of a forum.  

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5 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

Police each other is a little different than you worded it.

It doesn't sound so bad when you listen to it.  (at least I don't think it does)  He was more saying that the players need to set each other up for success.  If your teammate is making plays/decisions that make things harder on each other then they should hear about it.  All for one and one for all type of thing. 

 

That's how I took it anyways. 

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3 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

It doesn't sound so bad when you listen to it.  (at least I don't think it does)  He was more saying that the players need to set each other up for success.  If your teammate is making plays/decisions that make things harder on each other then they should hear about it.  All for one and one for all type of thing. 

 

That's how I took it anyways. 

That's right so the players should speak up to one another and not let the coaching staff only deal with issues. Young players especially learn through social pressure from older vets or fear of alienation from the rest of the squad so learning through intimidation or ridicule from your own teammates is much more profound than that from the coaches thus the benefit to the team if players are willing to bark at one another that's what I am saying makes sense to me as a new approach from Tocchet vs a nice guy approach BB used.

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19 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

I've been listening to 650 talk about how people around the league have nothing but positive things to say about Tocchet.  Then I come on here and read all about his criminal history.  Then I realize that some of those posters are the very same people who are constantly whining about "the negative local media"

lol too funny!  Unintentionally funny... but still pretty darned funny.

I also heard it on 650. 
It sounded to me like the interview was a plant and intended as damage control . 
Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy to give Rick a fair chance and think he might have the means to get this team on a better track. 
The interview sounded awfully scripted and the timing just too convenient considering the PR disaster over the last 3-4 months which peaked yesterday. 
 

I have no doubt jr could make 2 phone calls resulting in a segment on local radio scripted to pump up the reputation and trust in his group . 
 

He was described as having created and embraced a “family “ like environment in Pittsburg. Considering the turmoil and turnover here in recent weeks I just can’t see him as  the radio portrayed. 
 

Regardless, we will know in a relatively short time exactly how well his machine will run. 

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26 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Placing bets on football in 2006, and serving a 2 year probation has literally zero bearing on his ability to coach our team.  Don’t understand the fixation myself. 

He didn't just place bets....he plead pleaded guilty Friday to running a sports gambling ring.

 

 

 

Also......in 2011

 

Rick Tocchet fails to declare $18K in Bahamas, gets it seized

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/rick-tocchet-fails-declare-18k-bahamas-gets-seized-150621443.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAD2XMIaZBw3JijWUPZXXtulG4HlTy2h9HvRujXZeRsGbYVy3V4quekub8MzEA7KbRQIRvlPP2VFCQ6WBb0-wNWEoKJWFwiT0xVutSKzCb8pB31LHsulY_8xzMtnvtqORIQiRycI9o-798qxY5BiObScgjr7GE-OLhhiWijLR0jZb

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