MeanSeanBean Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 The price for Hughes in a trade would far exceed his actual value in my eyes. For that reason, I don't see him being traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 18 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Wow. A combination of 4 first round picks/former first round players, plus a very reliable Zetterlund. I didn't know Quinn Hughes had that kind of trade value. Clearly Jack Hughes is running the front office in New Jersey if this trade is pulled off. There are 1st round picks and there are 1st round picks. Jersey picks would likely be in the mid 20’s and later which have about the same odds of panning out as 2nd rounders. Odds are a player in that range isn’t going to be a significant NHLer… and certainly not for several years. We need all the lottery tickets we can get though and hope some turn out. Those picks have much less value to a team like Jersey who is stocked up on young players and are entering a winning window. Nemec is still a prospect and the only one with a ceiling near where Hughes already is, but with no sort of guarantee. A defence in a couple of years of: Quinn Hughes -Hamilton Luke Hughes - Marino Siegenthaler-Mukhamadullin With Bahl as an extra in case someone doesn’t work out or trade bait to recover some assets. That is pretty solid and set for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper007 Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 I'm thinking more of us getting a Hughes brother. NJ: Bo Horvat Vancouver: Luke Hughes, Nemec, 2nd Round (2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 7, 2023 Author Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) It is Eklund, but apparently there was some chatter at the all-star about Jersey wanting to have all three Hughes brothers. Of course it makes sense on the face of it, but would they be willing to pay what it would actually take. You start with Nemec, and a couple guys like McCleod, Bahl, and a couple other picks and prospects... and see if there is a conversation to actually be had. Edited February 7, 2023 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 (edited) On 1/23/2023 at 6:04 PM, Provost said: Nothing should be off the table considering the state of the current roster and the fairly bleak future in terms of prospects and cap space, but a return for Quinn Hughes would have to be incredibly substantial and an overpayment to move on from Hughes as part of a reset for the team. The only team I could even fathom paying that price is Jersey. There is a massive PR win in having all three brothers, but much more importantly, how much cheaper does it make re-upping them all on their next contracts if they only way to stay together is to take a decent discount. The family and brothers seem really close so you think that would be a real desire on their part to have the third brother there. This could be a very strategic move for a team that seems like it will be a legitimate contender in a couple of years as their high end young talent hits their prime. The kind of package I would think gets the conversation going: Nemec Holz McCleod (or 2025 1st round pick) 2024 1st round pick Zetterlund It seems like a lot and Jersey would be pillaging a large part of their prospect future... but on the other hand, they have most of their roster already filled with high end young guys 25 or under so don't really need to have many prospects in the pipeline. On our end you really have to think about a deal like that. Hughes is almost certainly the best player in the deal by a decent margin... but we also have OEL signed for the exact same amount of term as Hughes (and Hughes is a UFA after that and may not re-sign with us). If you remove Hughes, then OEL slots into those offensive minutes and is utilized better, and not miscast in a shutdown role that he just isn't good at. We have an offensive drop off, but can also then re-allocate that Hughes cap space to try to find D better suited to our needs. It also may open up a space for Rathbone to be put in a position to succeed as well (I have my doubts... but there is no chance for him to succeed with our current roster). We suddenly move our prospect pool from 28th in the league to top 10 in one move, as well as having extra first round picks to keep us there for a few more years. I do a deal like that, not sure either Vancouver or Jersey does though. Would like to see Mercer in there somewhere. Edited February 7, 2023 by Harold Drunken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Just now, Provost said: It is Eklund, but apparently there was some chatter at the all-star about Jersey wanting to have all three Hughes brothers. Of course it makes sense on the face of it, but would they be willing to pay what it would actually take. You start with Nemec, Bahl, and a couple other picks and prospects... and see if there is a conversation to actually be had. Thing is they don’t need Hughes. Between Nemec, Hamilton and Luke Hughes they don’t have a shortage of guys who QB a PP and have solid puck moving qualities. Hamilton is already one of the best PP defenseman in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 8, 2023 Author Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Thing is they don’t need Hughes. Between Nemec, Hamilton and Luke Hughes they don’t have a shortage of guys who QB a PP and have solid puck moving qualities. Hamilton is already one of the best PP defenseman in the league. You may have watched bad Canucks teams for so long that you have forgotten that really good teams have more than one good player. Jersey is contending now, Nemec and Luke Hughes aren’t even in the league yet… never mind playing significant roles. Contending teams give up futures for current help all the time. Nemec would be part of the return certainly. Hamilton is 30 by the end of the season, Luke probably isn’t a serious top four guy for 2-4 years right when you would expect Hamilton to be starting to need to have his minutes managed as he ages. Quinn is right in the middle to be in his prime during both guys. Quinn has more PP points than Hamilton, and they can both play on PP1 and give a huge variety of possible weapons and options for plays rather than just one… good luck defending with Hamilton’s point shot and the ability of Quinn to walk the line and break up coverage. What a nightmare, you can’t pressure and play Hamilton tight as he can pass it to Hughes who will then have open space to get behind you and make plays… and you can’t back off Hughes as he can pass off to Hamilton who will have time to find open lanes for his shot. Edited February 8, 2023 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 57 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Thing is they don’t need Hughes. Between Nemec, Hamilton and Luke Hughes they don’t have a shortage of guys who QB a PP and have solid puck moving qualities. Hamilton is already one of the best PP defenseman in the league. Hughes makes them better on the ice. He’s a fabulous player. But most important is the Devils could market the three brothers. Right now, even though they are winning, they are a nothing there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, Provost said: You may have watched bad Canucks teams for so long that you have forgotten that really good teams have more than one good player. Jersey is contending now, Nemec and Luke Hughes aren’t even in the league yet… never mind playing significant roles. Contending teams give up futures for current help all the time. Nemec would be part of the return certainly. Hamilton is 30 by the end of the season, Luke probably isn’t a serious top four guy for 2-4 years right when you would expect Hamilton to be starting to need to have his minutes managed as he ages. Quinn is right in the middle to be in his prime during both guys. Quinn has more PP points than Hamilton, and they can both play on PP1 and give a huge variety of possible weapons and options for plays rather than just one… good luck defending with Hamilton’s point shot and the ability of Quinn to walk the line and break up coverage. What a nightmare, you can’t pressure and play Hamilton tight as he can pass it to Hughes who will then have open space to get behind you and make plays… and you can’t back off Hughes as he can pass off to Hamilton who will have time to find open lanes for his shot. I pay attention to a lot of the ongoing of the league. Devils window has just opened. This is the beginning. They are some dwindling team with in need of a piece. Their management has a pretty patient outlook. His past few moves have been for the purpose of supporting his core. They are set at D as is. They don’t need to make this move. They want more help upfront with their forward group. A player like Meier makes sense for them since he has elements their GM wants to surround the core with. They won’t overpay for Hughes since they don’t need him. We need an overpayment in order to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 2/8/2023 at 12:28 AM, Junkyard Dog said: I pay attention to a lot of the ongoing of the league. Devils window has just opened. This is the beginning. They are some dwindling team with in need of a piece. Their management has a pretty patient outlook. His past few moves have been for the purpose of supporting his core. They are set at D as is. They don’t need to make this move. They want more help upfront with their forward group. A player like Meier makes sense for them since he has elements their GM wants to surround the core with. They won’t overpay for Hughes since they don’t need him. We need an overpayment in order to move him. Call me crazy but in 3 years time Quinn Hughes might not even crack their top-4 defence. Luke Hughes may be the best Hughes of the bunch. Nemec is a former 2nd overall pick and right now as a kid playing like a beast in the AHL already. Marino is still only young and playing like a prime Tanev who can skate better. Dougie Hamilton may be 29 right now but he's having a Norris-worthy season, 51 points in 51 games and is an absolute beast on that team. I honestly don't see him slowing down any time soon. Dare I say, they get worse if they acquire Hughes. Very well built (and lucky) defence there. They're going to win some cups in the next few years with that star defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 For realz! Price is Graves, Nemec, Foote, Salminen 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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