aGENT Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 44 minutes ago, mll said: Who knows how they would rule but I would expect them to stay as close as possible to the initial intent vs being focused on wording where they forgot that a player could be traded before his extension kicks in. Retaining the same rate over both contracts seems more in the spirit of the initial article where teams can't adjust the rates. It just happens that it's over 2 contracts rather than 1. ALL the wording refers to single contracts. IMO any retention (or none) on second contracts, would be a seperate, negotiable issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 On 1/27/2023 at 5:01 PM, CanucksJay said: This is where I have major problems with how sports teams are run. These guys are supposed to be the best but we have an ex nhl goalie from wayyyy back in the day as a president of a company making multimillion dollar decisions. Its a common theme.... Benning ex defensemen. Most are all ex players. Why? No disrespect but athletes aren't exactly at the top of the intelligence tree so why are they making decisions with 80m budgets? fine, we have the top 1% of ex players in intelligence who made it into the executive team of an NHL club but why the hell is the pool of applicants selected from ex players? The amount of buyouts and "sweeteners" needed in trades to get rid of mistakes is staggering. But this happens with every team Imagine I told my boss "oops" on wasting 6m, 7.3m, 6.75m and 8m for multiple years? Thats on top of all the other oops... On an 80m budget no less... Not only would I lose my job but I probably wouldn't be working in the industry as I would be the laughing stock and no other firm will hire me. Yet we take these guys and recycle them. It's absolutely stupid. I make fun of Dubas but I would take my chances on 5 Kyle Dubas run teams over 5 random NHL teams run by an ex player We celebrate guys like Yzerman and Sakic but they are literally beating up on idiots... They look great because the rest of the talent pool is unqualified. Like how did Milbury last so many years? I dont think you need an ex nhl player to run a team. You need a genius who eats breaths and sleeps hockey, is innovative in how they look at advanced stats (to back up the eye test) and is first and foremost a smart guy rather than a guy who played in the NHL. Depends; only so many hands are dealt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Goal:thecup said: Depends; only so many hands are dealt. Yeah I was reading an interview of Brian Burke when he came back to Harvard Law to give a talk... Basically he told all the students to not bank on sports entertainment with their law degree as the chances of making it are very slim. My guess is majority of the super high achieving academics would rather play the high percentage of being a professional in whatever field they want to pursue rather than grinding it out from echl to AHL to nhl as a hockey executive... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTellTheTruth Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Well, the first of retention contracts Horvat's but not a huge toll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 OP, they did end up retaining on Horvat. Good call, and I'm glad that management is using this to their advantage. Benning only did it once or twice from what I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/30/2023 at 11:40 PM, ToTellTheTruth said: Well, the first of retention contracts Horvat's but not a huge toll. Main thing is that it's only for the remainder of this year. I'd have no issues retaining on Schenn or Burroughs if it upgrades the pick that's coming back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 On 1/30/2023 at 11:40 PM, ToTellTheTruth said: Well, the first of retention contracts Horvat's but not a huge toll. Same will apply when Demko is traded to LA but the return will be worth it in that deal, with a RD & draft pick coming back. I also expect the same will apply when they dump Boeser, Myers and OEL - all of which should be disposed of at any cost - ASAP! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 14 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: Main thing is that it's only for the remainder of this year. I'd have no issues retaining on Schenn or Burroughs if it upgrades the pick that's coming back. That's one broke ass team we are trading with if we need to retain on $750 and $850k contracts! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTellTheTruth Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 19 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: Main thing is that it's only for the remainder of this year. I'd have no issues retaining on Schenn or Burroughs if it upgrades the pick that's coming back. No need to retain on them, already league minimum. Retaining on say Boeser is worth improving a 4th rnd pick to a 2nd rnd pick Garland improvement to a 2nd rnd pick + AA prospect Miller a first rnd pick + AAA prospect and NHL player Those would be the value not necessarily the actual although retention could add to any trade either prospect level or pick(s) The more new players or assets for trading the better and shorter any build. Not every trade will work out so need lots, the law of averages. And apart from Miller the retention should be a marginal short term cap hit easily managed through entry level or second contracts for 3 years. The team would also show a plus in cap space immediately to be used to enhance or trade for a bad contract with a very high pick or act as a third team in a multi team trade where the Canucks get a couple of top level assets back. The cap hit would be no worse than the buried buyout cap hits the Canucks have had for years now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTellTheTruth Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Same will apply when Demko is traded to LA but the return will be worth it in that deal, with a RD & draft pick coming back. I also expect the same will apply when they dump Boeser, Myers and OEL - all of which should be disposed of at any cost - ASAP! Can't do all of them, it would crippled the team with buried cap hits. They should try to have no more than two retentions per year. I think Myers deserves a chance to play with NHL defencemen. OEL breaking his leg may have done him in but having him sit in the press box might make more sense and who knows, Tocchet had him asking out before, maybe again then a 4 year small retention makes sense because something, anything would becoming back. Don't let his play here in Vancouver distort what the rest of the league see's, a totally poor defensive corps loaded with AHL defencemen changing partners every other game. Everyone in the league all say the defence here is a shambles but OEL and Myers are only two of 8 dmen. But if Myers still struggles too much then trade at next year's TDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I don't think they should retain on anyone other than say Myers because he only has next year remaining. Even then, he will be easier to move in the summer after his bonus is paid. The market for Boeser will be better in the summer as well, why waist a retention slot. With Horvat being a UFA, they'll have three retention spots in the summer if they "have to". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, 5nothincanucksohno said: I don't think they should retain on anyone other than say Myers because he only has next year remaining. Even then, he will be easier to move in the summer after his bonus is paid. The market for Boeser will be better in the summer as well, why waist a retention slot. With Horvat being a UFA, they'll have three retention spots in the summer if they "have to". Are we only allowed three active retention spots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 On 1/27/2023 at 5:46 PM, Alflives said: Didn’t both Nonis and Burke go to Harvard? Maybe there’s a place where both smart and a good hockey mind meet? I like it when the GM accepts he’s not a snout and allows those people to do their jobs. Benning. Nonis went to Maine and Burke went to Providence, but point taken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 12 hours ago, ToTellTheTruth said: No need to retain on them, already league minimum. Retaining on say Boeser is worth improving a 4th rnd pick to a 2nd rnd pick Garland improvement to a 2nd rnd pick + AA prospect Miller a first rnd pick + AAA prospect and NHL player Those would be the value not necessarily the actual although retention could add to any trade either prospect level or pick(s) The more new players or assets for trading the better and shorter any build. Not every trade will work out so need lots, the law of averages. And apart from Miller the retention should be a marginal short term cap hit easily managed through entry level or second contracts for 3 years. The team would also show a plus in cap space immediately to be used to enhance or trade for a bad contract with a very high pick or act as a third team in a multi team trade where the Canucks get a couple of top level assets back. The cap hit would be no worse than the buried buyout cap hits the Canucks have had for years now The one of interest would be Miller, but we have to retain for 7 years... don't think they have the stomach for that. Boeser and Myers are the ones that would make sense to retain on. Even Schenn or the likes, anyone on short contracts would make sense to retain on, if it would bring back something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) On 2/2/2023 at 4:10 PM, ToTellTheTruth said: Can't do all of them, it would crippled the team with buried cap hits. They should try to have no more than two retentions per year. I think Myers deserves a chance to play with NHL defencemen. OEL breaking his leg may have done him in but having him sit in the press box might make more sense and who knows, Tocchet had him asking out before, maybe again then a 4 year small retention makes sense because something, anything would becoming back. Don't let his play here in Vancouver distort what the rest of the league see's, a totally poor defensive corps loaded with AHL defencemen changing partners every other game. Everyone in the league all say the defence here is a shambles but OEL and Myers are only two of 8 dmen. But if Myers still struggles too much then trade at next year's TDL. Myers will NOT be in a canucks uniform next year - come hell or high water - it will never happen. He's either dumped for nothing (possibly with some $ retention), or he'll be bought-out. You heard it here first! He and OEL are at the root of our teams defensive rot & decay Edited February 4 by RU SERIOUS typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 22 hours ago, spook007 said: The one of interest would be Miller, but we have to retain for 7 years... don't think they have the stomach for that. Boeser and Myers are the ones that would make sense to retain on. Even Schenn or the likes, anyone on short contracts would make sense to retain on, if it would bring back something. There would never be any retention required on Schenn. His salary is cheaper than a cheeseburger at McDonalds (in NHL terms). He'll return a draft pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: There would never be any retention required on Schenn. His salary is cheaper than a cheeseburger at McDonalds (in NHL terms). He'll return a draft pick. Either way, he is like a free player in a cap world. yes he'll return a pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 With 2.4M dead cap coming off the books, I'd be happy to spend around that much on retaining. Bo's is just until the end of the season so doesn't really count - this year is dead anyway. Boeser has a long deal, not sure we want to be retainin 2M for the rest of it, but I'd be alright with 1M. Myers is the interesting one and the guy we should try and move the most. 6M is far too much but I'd retain 2M on him for 2 years. Then any team would want him. I look at a desperate team like Washington who want to keep their cup window open. They have almost all of their players contracts expiring next year. They have some old dead-beat contracts there. TO VAN: Mantha + Eller TO WSH: Boeser + Myers We could retain 1-2M of Myers' money if we need to. Mantha and Boeser need a switch badly. Eller's deal expires next year and we let him walk. That extra cap space we make (around 4-5M) we could sign a UFA defenceman to replace Myers (Mayfied? Severson? Graves?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 2/2/2023 at 5:44 PM, Alflives said: Are we only allowed three active retention spots? That is my understanding. Anyone feel to correct if wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 (edited) I hope we take back a pending UFA bad contract with our newly acquired LTIR space along with a 1st for Schenn. If we take back a 3 million dollar Cap dump we should be able to leverage the return on a Schenn trade as he only makes $800k, his value should already be a 2nd so I can see it being possible to a contender so they can add another piece. Edited February 5 by KyGuy123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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