Chris Gear on Sekeres & Price

[MaxVerstappen33]

This just dropped 8 hours ago. He takes some swipes at the new regime. Some legit ones i think. Like about how none of the new regime are from Vancouver. They also go into the Benning era , Linden et al

 

"I'm trying to think back to 2018, the sea of Granlunds" - Gear lol

 

 

Edited January 29 by MaxVerstappen33

[McBackup]

The frustrating part about this management group isn’t that they’re doing the same thing (though that is very frustrating) it’s that they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth while they do it.

 

“This roster isn’t constructed well”

-Doubles down on it and adds supplementary pieces.

 

”We think we can compete in 1 to 2 years”

-Acknowledges their cap situation is prohibiting them from making the necessary roster changes to improve the team in that time span.

 

etc

[ilduce39]

1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

This just dropped 8 hours ago. He takes some swipes at the new regime. Some legit ones i think. Like about how none of the new regime are from Vancouver. They also go into the Benning era , Linden et al

 

"I'm trying to think back to 2018, the sea of Granlunds" - Gear lol

 

 

Not usually an S & P fan but good for them getting Gear on.  He has interesting insight and pushes back on some things.

[jyu]

10 hours ago, McBackup said:

The frustrating part about this management group isn’t that they’re doing the same thing (though that is very frustrating) it’s that they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth while they do it.

 

“This roster isn’t constructed well”

-Doubles down on it and adds supplementary pieces.

 

”We think we can compete in 1 to 2 years”

-Acknowledges their cap situation is prohibiting them from making the necessary roster changes to improve the team in that time span.

 

etc

Yep it is annoying.

 

But my take is that the guilty person is Rutherford. He's been doing the rounds in the media and saying stuff like the roster isn't constructed well or the core is good.

 

Whenever Allvin came out for an interview, he acknowledged that there are good players on the team but has also been saying that it will be a long process.

 

Take JR and everything he said to the media out of the equation and all of a sudden, you realize that they didn't say very much.

[Alflives]

Aquilini is the constant across all recent regimes.  

[Ghostsof1915]

10 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

Not usually an S & P fan but good for them getting Gear on.  He has interesting insight and pushes back on some things.

Would have been nice if he help pushed support for Trevor Linden when he needed it. I don't care if the management is from Mars. As long as they build a winning team.

His going on about the "business" side kind of sticks in my craw. Maybe Chris if you signed better contracts, and went after better players we wouldn't be in this mess.

[Alflives]

12 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Would have been nice if he help pushed support for Trevor Linden when he needed it. I don't care if the management is from Mars. As long as they build a winning team.

His going on about the "business" side kind of sticks in my craw. Maybe Chris if you signed better contracts, and went after better players we wouldn't be in this mess.

NHL Managers who desire another NHL management position will not criticism ownership publicly.  

[Ballisticsports.]

2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Would have been nice if he help pushed support for Trevor Linden when he needed it. I don't care if the management is from Mars. As long as they build a winning team.

His going on about the "business" side kind of sticks in my craw. Maybe Chris if you signed better contracts, and went after better players we wouldn't be in this mess.

Chris is with a Media company now and  says stuff to promote, does he mention how bad he was? I didn't even bother to open the link

[Crabcakes]

3 hours ago, jyu said:

Yep it is annoying.

 

But my take is that the guilty person is Rutherford. He's been doing the rounds in the media and saying stuff like the roster isn't constructed well or the core is good.

 

Whenever Allvin came out for an interview, he acknowledged that there are good players on the team but has also been saying that it will be a long process.

 

Take JR and everything he said to the media out of the equation and all of a sudden, you realize that they didn't say very much.

But what Rutherford has said is talk, I think a lot of what he has said  comes from frustration.  Allvin is supposed to be the one who makes the decisions on moves and signings and he has done fairly well in a very limited way.  Some of the big things that he has done such as signing Miller before Horvat and the awkward departure of Boudreau I think, could be rookie mistakes.  If JR the advisor is letting Allvin step in some puddles, it is a part of his learning process perhaps.

 

To get back to Rutherford's frustration, there is surely a plan in place but the ability to execute that plan is limited by opportunity.  In a flat cap world where 20 of 32 teams are hard against the cap it's really hard to get a reasonable return on Miller for example.  Is it a bad thing then, to just not make a deal?  Maybe not.  But knowing that Horvat's contract was also up, and signing Miller and not Horvat just because it was maybe easier to do is really making a decision on which player is going to fit with the group long term.  One good call, one not so good.

 

Rutherford's frustration is also bubbling up when he talks about forcing the issue by making deals for young players with high draft pedigree who are not yet performing at a high level as their ELC is running out.  This ahead of the strong 2023 draft where draft picks are more valuable.  This is opportunity again but as Gear suggested, longer odds of getting a good player than drafting.  He also was saying that if certain players can't be moved for assets, that they might just buy them out.  Rutherford is really forcing the issue of turning over the roster because change is necessary but buyouts are less than ideal.

 

What Allvin has done is to turn over the bottom of the roster because it's easier to do and after a year or so, we have a bottom 6 and bottom pair D who are mostly under $1M.  His top 6 additions, Mikheyev and Kuzmenko were opportunistic and he has made the hard call to send Podkolzin and Hoglander down to Abbotsford.  These are patient moves.  The restrictions that the flat cap have brought on the league are easing because it looks like the cap will be going up a little this offseason and a lot more the year after which means that deals will be easier to make.  We can see this from the number of GM's and scouts at Canuck games.

[MaxVerstappen33]

3 hours ago, Ballisticsports. said:

Chris is with a Media company now and  says stuff to promote, does he mention how bad he was? I didn't even bother to open the link

Well you should open the link.  He does go into how bad the team was in a way. He says sea of Granlunds himself 

[ilduce39]

6 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Would have been nice if he help pushed support for Trevor Linden when he needed it. I don't care if the management is from Mars. As long as they build a winning team.

His going on about the "business" side kind of sticks in my craw. Maybe Chris if you signed better contracts, and went after better players we wouldn't be in this mess.

He mentions how the direction from “above” was not to tank right out.  That’s about as direct as he can get without pointing the finger at ownership.  
 

He completely avoided the Linden mention - not sure what that means. 
 

He also (correctly IMO) points out that the Sedins were unmovable and their main trade chips (many of which were moved) didn’t return very much. 
 

IMO If you allow margin for error, we’re likely in a similar spot (looking to build around Petey/Hughes/Demko/etc) even if they lean harder into a rebuild.  Just with a few more assets and cap flexibility (which would be great). There was just nothing in the prospect pool and no blue chip trade pieces to cash in and create a powerhouse.

Edited January 29 by ilduce39

[stawns]

5 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

But what Rutherford has said is talk, I think a lot of what he has said  comes from frustration.  Allvin is supposed to be the one who makes the decisions on moves and signings and he has done fairly well in a very limited way.  Some of the big things that he has done such as signing Miller before Horvat and the awkward departure of Boudreau I think, could be rookie mistakes.  If JR the advisor is letting Allvin step in some puddles, it is a part of his learning process perhaps.

 

To get back to Rutherford's frustration, there is surely a plan in place but the ability to execute that plan is limited by opportunity.  In a flat cap world where 20 of 32 teams are hard against the cap it's really hard to get a reasonable return on Miller for example.  Is it a bad thing then, to just not make a deal?  Maybe not.  But knowing that Horvat's contract was also up, and signing Miller and not Horvat just because it was maybe easier to do is really making a decision on which player is going to fit with the group long term.  One good call, one not so good.

 

Rutherford's frustration is also bubbling up when he talks about forcing the issue by making deals for young players with high draft pedigree who are not yet performing at a high level as their ELC is running out.  This ahead of the strong 2023 draft where draft picks are more valuable.  This is opportunity again but as Gear suggested, longer odds of getting a good player than drafting.  He also was saying that if certain players can't be moved for assets, that they might just buy them out.  Rutherford is really forcing the issue of turning over the roster because change is necessary but buyouts are less than ideal.

 

What Allvin has done is to turn over the bottom of the roster because it's easier to do and after a year or so, we have a bottom 6 and bottom pair D who are mostly under $1M.  His top 6 additions, Mikheyev and Kuzmenko were opportunistic and he has made the hard call to send Podkolzin and Hoglander down to Abbotsford.  These are patient moves.  The restrictions that the flat cap have brought on the league are easing because it looks like the cap will be going up a little this offseason and a lot more the year after which means that deals will be easier to make.  We can see this from the number of GM's and scouts at Canuck games.

He completely sh!t the bed by signing Miller.  The rest is just white noise

[Timråfan]

25 minutes ago, stawns said:

He completely sh!t the bed by signing Miller.  The rest is just white noise

That really got to you, didn’t it? 
What should they have done?

 

It’s easy to sit here on the forum and complain without any knowledge about what agents, players etc have talked about.

If Miller hinted that he will go if he doesn’t get a contract they were forced to make a decision before Horvat. 
Horvat probably wanted to wait a bit to see if he could continue how he ended last season.

Remember that Miller were pointwise much better than Horvat and that Horvat usually leaned on a defensive partner like Loui, Pearson to be best.

 

Don’t you remember how fanatic the Miller fans were? They talked about ten mill and so on.

Management monitor fans on the net to get more opinions in. As media does.

So 8 mill was pretty ok. One could argue about seven years but it’s one year tops…

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

That really got to you, didn’t it? 
What should they have done?

 

It’s easy to sit here on the forum and complain without any knowledge about what agents, players etc have talked about.

If Miller hinted that he will go if he doesn’t get a contract they were forced to make a decision before Horvat. 
Horvat probably wanted to wait a bit to see if he could continue how he ended last season.

Remember that Miller were pointwise much better than Horvat and that Horvat usually leaned on a defensive partner like Loui, Pearson to be best.

 

Don’t you remember how fanatic the Miller fans were? They talked about ten mill and so on.

Management monitor fans on the net to get more opinions in. As media does.

So 8 mill was pretty ok. One could argue about seven years but it’s one year tops…

They should have traded him at the tdl or at the draft, along with Boeser.  All problems solved going fwd

[Timråfan]

Just now, stawns said:

They should have traded him at the tdl or at the draft, along with Boeser.  All problems solved going fwd

It depends on what we got back.

I don’t trust rhumours.

 

And… Don’t forget how this forum would have looked like if Miller got only a 2nd back and a few rosterplayers not worthy.

Goodness how JR and PA would have been roasted if so.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

It depends on what we got back.

I don’t trust rhumours.

 

And… Don’t forget how this forum would have looked like if Miller got only a 2nd back and a few rosterplayers not worthy.

Goodness how JR and PA would have been roasted if so.

Anything would have been better than signing him for 7 years and Boeser 3.  That's $15m in cap they could have spent elsewhere, especially on Bo........who they might have got a killer deal on if they'd done it in the summer.

[Timråfan]

24 minutes ago, stawns said:

Anything would have been better than signing him for 7 years and Boeser 3.  That's $15m in cap they could have spent elsewhere, especially on Bo........who they might have got a killer deal on if they'd done it in the summer.

What? I don’t even line that guy and I think the deal is reasonable.

I want him out asap.

But I can’t complain about 8 mill and that ppg.

 

Have you similar players cheaper? 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

What? I don’t even line that guy and I think the deal is reasonable.

I want him out asap.

But I can’t complain about 8 mill and that ppg.

 

Have you similar players cheaper? 

I think it's a good deal for Miller, just not a good deal for Van or their timeline

 

[MaxVerstappen33]

 

[MaxVerstappen33]

10 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

What? I don’t even line that guy and I think the deal is reasonable.

I want him out asap.

But I can’t complain about 8 mill and that ppg.

 

Have you similar players cheaper? 

8m isn't as bad as Canucks fans claim. And now the whole league uses it against us. I'd rather have Miller than Huberdaue at 10.5