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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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26 minutes ago, jyu said:

Hoping for a desperate team to make an offer at near the TDL could totally fail. The GMs of contending teams get to live another day even if they don't pull the trigger on a move to acquire Horvat but if no one makes a good offer or if the offer gets worse and worse, either we are stuck with Bo and he's walking to UFA or we trade him for a late 1st round pick at best.

 

Why should we put ourselves in the situation of do-or-die? 

 

In fact, trading him early has allowed this deal to take place. NYI will have plenty of time to assess him and try to re-sign him to a deal and if that doesn't work out, they can ship him out to another team as a pure rental and recoup some of the lost assets back.

 

I don't like the management, they started off on a wrong foot. But I like that they acted sooner rather than later. Horvat was going to be traded and if no other team has put in a best offer by now, they may never.

 

I like your posts and respect your opinions but you know that 99% of the ideas thrown by the posters about cap management is bull$hit based on their imagination without knowing what's going behind the scenes. So citing them as a source and claiming that the management made a big fumble is not all that convincing.

 

At the end of the day, they traded a player who was going to the UFA for a good young player and a relatively high 1st rounder in a deep draft. If they had to take some cap dump back, then that's the price of doing business early and setting yourself up for other moves. 

 

 

Agreed. 

Glad they got it done. 

They got the best deal available for him and took it. 

Who knows this might facilitate a Miller trade to a desperate team closer to the deadline (more like wishing lol) 

 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

Bo is the best chip on the market this year.  They could have and should have got a better deal........and I love Raty

Could they really though? Should they just have demanded a better return?

 

Top 20 pick, top young center prospect, and a roster player. Seems pretty standard. Of course you're not fond of draft picks so you think that but the pick is a better one which ups the value of this deal. I like it because I get my desired draft pick plus one of my favorite prospects. Now if we can dump Schenn for a 2nd I'll be loving these moves. Sorry again for being an asshat yesterday. No excuse but I've been dealing with some pretty serious stuff.

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I would think Lou Lam will go even higher than 60 mil. Looking for over 70 being the total contract. (9 per x 8)

Bo would be a fool to sign with the Islanders.  They are a team that is aging out and should be heading

into a rebuild.  He will never win a SC with them.  I hope he goes to UFA and signs with a real contender;

even if he has to take less $ than what the NYI offer.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, stawns said:

It feels like when Kramer gets scalded by the coffee and he and Jackie Fields go to the company for a settlement and the company is going to give Kramer $50k, but leads with "we'll give you free coffee for life" and Kramer jumps up and yells "DEAL".

 

PA is Kramer

And you sound like Antonio the bus boy who lost his job and his cat ran away.

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Just now, higgyfan said:

Bo would be a fool to sign with the Islanders.  They are a team that is aging out and should be heading

into a rebuild.  He will never win a SC with them.  I hope he goes to UFA and signs with a real contender;

even if he has to take less $ than what the NYI offer.

 

 

 

This. Would love to see Bo hoist the cup. 

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42 minutes ago, stawns said:

Why?  Bo was on an expiring contract, with only a portion of the season left to cover, plus they retained almost a million and a half.  I fail to see why it was necessary to take that on.

Because most teams are very tight on cap space, you'll likely see similar deals this year where money is retained. Teams are notoriously tight on cap space right now (due to the flat cap). We only retain that money until the end of the year, it's inconsequential...it makes no difference. You're just picking different irrelevant things to nitpick.

 

I feel this is much more about your distain for this group and sentiment for Benning. There's nothing wrong with this deal Stawns. 

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1 minute ago, higgyfan said:

Bo would be a fool to sign with the Islanders.  They are a team that is aging out and should be heading

into a rebuild.  He will never win a SC with them.  I hope he goes to UFA and signs with a real contender;

even if he has to take less $ than what the NYI offer.

 

 

 

Agreed.  And that's why (IMHAO) for Bo to extend there, it will need to be a big overpay. 

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

We got a very good return right now for Bo.  If Lou trades Bo at the TDL, because their team falls even further out of the playoffs, it gets even better.  That pick goes to next season and the Islanders will be even worse.  Say hello to a top five 2024 pick.  Thanks Lou!!! :frantic:

I agree. My first thought was disappointment that the pick was protected up to 12th but after looking at it, I think the Islanders are more likely to fall out of contention than climb into it. I know this draft is deep (and will admit I don't know much about next years), but looking at the current Islanders roster it's hard to see how they will be better next year with 11 players over the age of 30 and only 2 of those on expiring contracts. 

 

I like the 2023 draft but I feel this could easily end up a high 2024 pick, which I would take over a 8-12 pick this year. 

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I'm just glad we didn't resign Bo to something similar to the Miller contract. We have enough albatross contracts on this team as it is. Hindsight being what it is, we should have moved Miller for whatever we could get last season. 

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Bo's already at his career high in goals, so he'll get paid by whoever signs him next. I don't know if he'll have much success in such a short amount of time with a brand new team. Canucks got a middle 6 C for their future, maybe he plays with Hogz and Podz down the road?  That could be a tough line to play against one day. 

 

So who's next? Schenn, Boeser, both?

 

Hope they fix the D next

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1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I'm just glad we didn't resign Bo to something similar to the Miller contract. We have enough albatross contracts on this team as it is. Hindsight being what it is, we should have moved Miller for whatever we could get last season. 

Agreed, it sure feels like they gave Miller Bo's money. There HAS to be a real reason they prioritized Miller and Kuzy over Bo....we probably won't know until many years down the road. It doesn't feel right keeping Miller over Bo but nothing we can do about it now. 

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2 minutes ago, Highstickin said:

I agree. My first thought was disappointment that the pick was protected up to 12th but after looking at it, I think the Islanders are more likely to fall out of contention than climb into it. I know this draft is deep (and will admit I don't know much about next years), but looking at the current Islanders roster it's hard to see how they will be better next year with 11 players over the age of 30 and only 2 of those on expiring contracts. 

 

I like the 2023 draft but I feel this could easily end up a high 2024 pick, which I would take over a 8-12 pick this year. 

I think a lot of fans were sick of losing Bo, so hated any deal.  It took time to come around to acceptance Bo is gone and focus on the return.  And the return is good.  Plus, we clear Bo's next contract's cap allocation, which is likely going to be close to 9.  

This is actually a rebuilding move, so I'm very pleased the owner is allowing this kind of direction.  Maybe JR does have the owner listening now?  

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2 minutes ago, Provost said:

I do find it amusing how people complain how toxic our fan base is when the vast bulk of the posts go through massive mental contortions to be overly optimistic.

 

Every new fringe player is suddenly really an amazing diamond in the rough.  Every prospect is going to dramatically beat scouting expectations, and every draft pick is going to turn into a significant player…. Just as soon as they join the franchise.

 

The actual reality is Beauvillier is a cap dump and something we had to take on rather than wanting to.  Middle six wingers have very low value and he wouldn’t be picked up if waived at that cap hit.  He is a player that wouldn’t likely beat out Garland or Pearson for a roster spot…. And we would love to be rid of those two players and their cap hits.

 

Raty is expected to be a 3rd line player and more likely a winger than centre, and he is a couple years away from playing any sort of significant role in the NHL.  He can outperform those expectations, but can also underperform them.

 

A middle to late 1st round pick is more than likely to not turn into a significant player than to turn into something.

 

None of that means this is a bad deal… it is just reality.  We were trading a few months of club control and first rights of negotiation for a pending UFA.  
 

We also pulled the trigger early enough to mitigate risk of Horvat getting injured and becoming untradeable.  This could also have represented the best deal available.

To be fair it goes the other way too, some people can also be overly pessimistic and immediately crap and nitpick over everything because they are Benning sympathizers. 

 

Not being a homer is a fine line, you have to be a centrist and think logically. 

 

I 100% agree with your point though.

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2 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said:

Agreed, it sure feels like they gave Miller Bo's money. There HAS to be a real reason they prioritized Miller and Kuzy over Bo....we probably won't know until many years down the road. It doesn't feel right keeping Miller over Bo but nothing we can do about it now. 

Miller has pictures of Rutherfraud and Aquaweenie with Fin. 

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Crazy to think Horvat isn’t actually a Canuck anymore. Still hasn’t really settled. It’s one thing to anticipate his eventual trade, but it’s another when it actually happens.

 

When I think about Canucks his face immediately pops into my head.

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