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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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1 minute ago, theo5789 said:

It's a game of chicken. Offers could get better or they could get worse if they decide to go with another cheaper route leaving fewer teams available to bid against each other. And teams know we have a time crunch with a pending UFA so the closer we get to the deadline puts more pressure on us as well and might just take whatever is available worrying that we could lose him for nothing. It's a buyers market, they have the leverage this year given the little cap space. We took advantage of a team that isn't even in the playoffs and may not even make it. The value of that 1st is greater than any contender could offer and whatever prospect they give up will be no different than Raty. No contender is offering up any proven young player as they need them just as much as we would.

Well said, I don't know why it's so difficult for people to comprehend.  I feel like they only look at it from one perspective.  Other teams simply look elsewhere if Bo costs too much. 

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8 minutes ago, HKSR said:

The likelihood is how much they value Raty, but more likely that 1st round pick.  None of the contenders would have a pick in the range we are looking at from NYI.  A late 1st is worth considerable less than a mid 1st.

Yep, a 13-18 pick is worth 2 picks in the 30 range.

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5 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

It's a game of chicken. Offers could get better or they could get worse if they decide to go with another cheaper route leaving fewer teams available to bid against each other. And teams know we have a time crunch with a pending UFA so the closer we get to the deadline puts more pressure on us as well and might just take whatever is available worrying that we could lose him for nothing. It's a buyers market, they have the leverage this year given the little cap space. We took advantage of a team that isn't even in the playoffs and may not even make it. The value of that 1st is greater than any contender could offer and whatever prospect they give up will be no different than Raty. No contender is offering up any proven young player as they need them just as much as we would.

I waited a day to even say anything about this trade. Long story short, I wanted to see a RHD with some size in this deal and it’s not here. Take a step back and realize that an offer with that may not have been there. The first round pick quite possibly lands in that 13-18 range where a number of well scouted D is this year. I am surprised as I was expecting to see roster players as the center piece of this trade (management told us they would) but am happily surprised to see futures taking center stage. If the draft is cruel again or they take another undersized winger then this is a huge L but if Raty works out even partially (think defensive 3C with size and grit) and we can snag a top 4 dman with the pick who comes into the league on an ELC then this a potential big W. Lots of moving parts and hopefully more moves to make too. Schenn should get at least a second rounder, Boeser could get something and maybe someone is dumb enough to take OEL or Miller for some pucks or that future consideration guy. 

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6 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

But the pick will get traded to us AFTER the lottery. So if the pick moves up to 4, for example, then we don't get the pick.


Thanks, that was actually the point I tried to make and failed badly, shooting up to 4th was not good for us. I wanted to see if that pick was likely to move much. I was surprised that it didn’t budge at all except the once. So chances are that if the isles finish near where they are now we’ll keep the pick this year. I won’t be too unhappy with a non-lottery protected pick in ‘24 though.

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12 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Well said, I don't know why it's so difficult for people to comprehend.  I feel like they only look at it from one perspective.  Other teams simply look elsewhere if Bo costs too much. 

Yip. Like how the Rags eventually went for Copp over JT. 

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4 minutes ago, coryberg said:

Yep, a 13-18 pick is worth 2 picks in the 30 range.

Yeah that's not even an exaggeration either.  I could easily see a 14th OA pick being traded for picks 25 and 29 or something along those lines.

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I like the 1st and Raty. Underwhelming from the roster player standpoint, it's going to hurt short term, but it's important to start the culture change now. Will be interesting to see where things go with Beauvillier. 

 

A while back in another thread, I mentioned that if we could somehow get another first in this draft plus get into the Top 5, or higher, it's really the quickest way of accelerating this retool this year. I'm hoping we can get as many picks in this draft as possible with other moves. 

 

Gotta lock focus on D soon! 

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