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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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1 minute ago, Odd. said:

I can see Schenn being traded for late 1st. Guys like Goodrow and Chariot got a 1st round pick. Teams value toughness and at a cheap price.

The Sharks sent a 3rd round pick to Tampa as part of the Goodrow trade.   The difference between a late 1st and a 3rd is not that big.  It's perceived differently but as to finding value it's much closer than the gap between a high 1st and a mid-1st.  

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5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Beauvillier isn't getting a lot of love, understandably compared to Raty and the 1st, but he does bring speed and supposedly shows up in big games. 

 

As it is now, if everyone is healthy (next season) - excluding Pearson (Hoglander and Lockwood in Abby)

 

Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev

Beauvillier - Miller - Boeser

Podkolzin - Lazar - Garland

Joshua - Aman - Studnicka

Dries

We better not be running it back by just swapping out horvat for AB on the roster. That's another year of no man's land / late lottery pick. We need to commit to retooling a hell of alot more than this.

 

Boeser and Garland absolutely cannot be on the roster next year. These two must go. Plenty of teams need top 6 fwds and have capdumps + mid round picks they can give us in return. At the very least 1 of them MUST be moved imo

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1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:

No, but we keep on talking about buying out contracts in the summer to free up cap space to sign/trade for defensive upgrades. It is basically cap space at the highest cost. PA preaches...then we do things like this or the Boeser 3 year deal.

 

I hope AB does work out (as in is serviceable the next year), but that is just another 4.15m of cap space we did not have. I would rather have just kept Garland. In addition, using Dickinson as a gauge, AB's Dump should have at least netted us a 2024 2nd (2.65m vs. 4.15m).

If AB is a cap dump then NYI should have given us a 2nd at the minimum as you said. One way to think about it is that we got a top 15 pick instead of a late 1st (25-32) and a late 2nd from another contender. I'd prefer higher 1st rounder than a late 1 and a late 2nd rounders. Top 15 in the next draft could get us a real good player.

 

Regarding cap space, my feeling is that they wanted to create cap space so that they can compete for this season.

 

But now they've surrendered to the fact that clearing cap will be nearly impossible given the current landscape and that they are going into a "retool".

 

That means having to turn over the roster. Garland, I like as well but between him and Boeser, Garland is the one that would garner more trade interest. 

 

They will still try to free up cap space for next season if possible but the goal is to get younger roster players, near NHL ready players, and draft picks at this point while waiting for the cap to free itself up the season after next (Myers, Pearson, Beauvillier too if he doesn't work out here). 

 

And there's really no good buyout candidates on this team at the moment so I don't know who they were referring to for buyouts. Boeser is the only one I think. Garland is tradeable even if it's for a late 1st or even a 2nd rounder. I'd much rather go that route than buying him out. In fact, I'd bet $5 that he gets traded at the TDL.

 

I get that the trade is not a grand slam as some wanted it to be but I think it satisfies the mantra of getting the highest pick possible and getting a good prospect.

 

AB is hard working guy with some motor so let's see what he can do before we declare him as a cap dump.

 

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4 minutes ago, coryberg said:

That and the 2nd we get from a contender is around #60. A 3rd would be around 90... no thanks

I think 2nd, there's still possibilities. 

We can get a serviceable player there. 

That could be a 5D or a Tyler Motte type player we might need in 4 years

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3 hours ago, MystifyNCrucify said:

Well actually i dont. Living in europe i get access to highlights, and even then i cant remember the last time i bothered. Im still a lifelong fan and enjoy reading about whats going on, but i doubt id be watching even if i could. 

viaplay shows all the NHL games...

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3 minutes ago, mll said:

The Sharks sent a 3rd round pick to Tampa as part of the Goodrow trade.   The difference between a late 1st and a 3rd is not that big.  It's perceived differently but as to finding value it's much closer than the gap between a high 1st and a mid-1st.  

Yes. Jumping 10 spots from 25th to 15th overall offers much more value than jumping 35 spots up from say 65th overall to 30th overall.

 

That's part of the reason why this trade was good. That pick will be a top 15 pick in a deep draft or could be a lottery ticket next season.

 

Sure, NYI could magically become a top 10 team next season and in that case, the trade doesn't look as great but we need to take some chances and roll the dice under the right circumstances.

 

When Colorado traded Duschene, they had no idea that they were getting a 4th overall pick back in that trade.  Well, the very same thing could happen here.

 

The whole reasoning behind asking for 3 pieces back in a trade like this is so that you distribute your risk. If one of them works out, whether it's Raty, 1st rounder, or even AB, we certainly don't lose the trade. If two of the three pieces pan out, it'd be a major win.

 

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7 minutes ago, mll said:

The Sharks sent a 3rd round pick to Tampa as part of the Goodrow trade.   The difference between a late 1st and a 3rd is not that big.  It's perceived differently but as to finding value it's much closer than the gap between a high 1st and a mid-1st.  

In 2016 The Capitals traded down from 26th to 28th overall, adding the 87th overall pick from the Blues.

 

In 2017 The Blackhawks traded down from 26th to 29th overall, gaining the 70th overall pick from the Stars

 

A 3rd is the cost of moving up a few spots at the end of the draft. Definitely not going from the end to the middle

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8 minutes ago, Odd. said:

I can see Schenn being traded for late 1st. Guys like Goodrow and Chariot got a 1st round pick. Teams value toughness and at a cheap price.

goodrow got a first because he was highly underpaid.... Chariot was a first because he was highly underpaid and retained 50% of his salary.... they guy made a 4.8 million dollar contract after this trade, schenn after winning the cup came up with a league min contract... Hmmmmm somethng tells me schenn is not the same thing as these players.

 

what terrible comparisons

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12 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Rumours has it, Canucks are working on a trade with Flyers.... Fin for Gritty.... the final details still to be sorted out....

you heard it here first... :lol:

I know how partial you are to “ Finn “ :ph34r:but it leaves wondering about your Canuck loyalty no worry’s I’m a closet flyers fan. 

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6 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

I think 2nd, there's still possibilities. 

We can get a serviceable player there. 

That could be a 5D or a Tyler Motte type player we might need in 4 years

I'd trade him for a 2nd for sure... I was saying  no thanks to a 3rd

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2 minutes ago, spook007 said:

And he could have had an injury... and then he would walk for free....

Yes.  And he was a UFA.  What we got was very good considering the circumstances.   Most of the people complaining, irked, or annoyed would've preferred keeping Bo.  That's not a coincidence. 

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39 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

It's because Bo isn't worth what he's asking, and Miller and Kuz are line drivers that are worth more to our team than Bo. I know this is hard to get passed because we drafted Bo and he was our captain, but aside from his goals and FO%, Bo is not what some people think he is.

 

Raty is a legit prospect, but he does come with some risk. He dropped in his draft year because he felt too much pressure from being touted as the 1OA (he admitted to buckling under the pressure). He's continued to progress, but whether he'll be able to handle the Vancouver pressure/media remains to be seen. 

 

The 1st is the highest we could've gotten from a team. I'm still shocked that LL traded away so much for Bo. I will be more shocked if Bo signs with a sinking ship on the Island. 

 

I have a sense that Beau is going to thrive with our high-scoring offence. If we can unload Brock and save bunch of cap, we're on our way to seeing a retooled team.

 

Plus, we should improve our draft ranking after all this.

 

My initial reaction yesterday was underwhelmed, but I think they got very fair value for a 60pt Bo, and I'm here for these moves. 

Yeah I get it.,..they don't want to overpay on a career year I don't blame them. It's not like they didn't give him an offer, they did he just rejected it. 

 

He could have been a Canuck for life but the reality id Bo chose not to be. 

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13 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

The way I see it, the deal was probably centered around Raty but with critical pieces to balance.

 

The "prize" of the trade is the sliding 1st Rd Pick. Things would have to go exceedingly well for NYI this and next season for that pick to lose value.

 

The cost of that prize was Beauvillier. I'm not saying he's bad or just a cap dump, but his name has been in the rumor mill for awhile so there's evidently not much of a market for him, or least not at his AAV. I agree that Beauviller may well thrive with the Canucks so it's unlikely he was a "throw in" from the Canucks' perspective, but he sounds like a NYI has been trying to move out for awhile so they may have been more willing to bend on the 1st Rd Pick.

 

Maybe the Canucks' retention on Horvat was also a factor in NYI agreeing that the 1st Rd Pick would be unprotected.

 

It will be very interesting to see if NYI can re-sign Horvat. If NYI can't re-sign Horvat and can't recoup much value for him (if they trade him before the TDL), then the Canucks absolutely win this trade based on the 1st Rd pick alone. That's a huge loss for the future of NYI. Even if they re-sign Horvat, NYI has so much cap tied to older players that it's hard to imagine their fortunes improving much by next season.

I'd agree with that sentiment on Beauvillier. It really could go either way but the style of player he is should be of value to what our team needs. We do need to have 2 more corresponding moves considering we've added his cap and the defense hasn't been addressed. Should be an interesting next month, at least I hope it will be.

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15 minutes ago, Toyotasfan said:

Lou Lamorillo has been thinking about that Cory Schneider for Horvat trade for a very long time, now he has both of them and he can sleep well tonight.

Well, now he's gotta re-sign Bo long term for big money based on half a years production on an old and aging team who's compete window is closing fast (probably already closed TBH). It's not the perfect situation for him by any means. 

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