mll Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Hogs & Podz said: I'll say this.... I'm excited and ready for a step back to change the narrative. That has begun. Truth is, I feel like both Horvat and Miller are great high end players... But really, more specifically, high end support players. Love both these guys but for different reasons, however, regardless of my appreciation I have for them as individuals and players, I wanted and still want to move on from both. Neither Miller or Horvat went about their business in the same way that Petey and Hughes do... Basically from a different generation, even though they are pretty close in age. I feel like, Kuzy, Podz, Högs, Klim and now Räty are the voices and energy of this team... It's been heading in that direction for a while now. JT and Horvat simply were and are not good fits for the culture going forward. I hope they find a taker for JT, even if it means salary retention. We'll see what happens, but regardless, I have hope again that this team might be heading in the right direction after 10 years of the the same old underwhelming story. Friedman says the Canucks have identified their core - Miller, Pettersson, Hughes and Kuzmenko. He believes that they brought in Tocchet in part to help get the best out of Miller. It sounds like Rutherford sees Miller as a C but he needs some time to adjust to the position -probably why they felt okay moving on from Horvat. This was Rutherford earlier this year on Miller - I don't think it was just PR. To Kuzma in the Province: “It’s a work in progress,” Rutherford stressed. “Every time anybody tries to do anything, we want it done yesterday. But there’s a process. I’m not complaining about this, but there have been lot of line changes with J.T. at centre and then wing. “Just recently, before he got moved back to the wing, he centred a line and played against top lines and didn’t get scored on for three games. “He was very conscious and, sure, there are mistakes that are fixable. And he’s willing to do it. Sid (Sidney Crosby) has always been one of the great all-around players, but prior to winning back-to-back Cups (2016-17), his 200-foot game became responsible. “What players have a hard time understanding is they’ll get as many or more chances playing that way than by cheating. Once they understand it, the game becomes easier and they win more games. “But it’s hard to make that adjustment. It takes time and it could take a whole year.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Imagine if Lou flips him at the TDL. He's only on a 4M cap hit now, much tastier. Interesting. But imagine if Lou can’t flip or sign him, and the Canuck trade JT at the TDL. Then the Canucks sign Bo as a free agent. A man can dream. ps. I’m sure that this has come up a time or two in the 100 or so pages that I haven’t read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: Wonder what impact this trade has on our current roster. If our locker room was divided at all, who’s happy and who’s upset that Bo is gone? Boeser is likely upset, it also recently like Petey has been getting fed up with Miller recently so he might be upset also. Miller is probably happy as he can now try to make it his team. Edit: without the buffer of Horvat it will be interesting to see if Petey and Miller have a power struggle for control of them team or if they will play nice Edited January 31 by Diamonds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Imagine if Lou flips him at the TDL. He's only on a 4M cap hit now, much tastier. We really going to play the what if card? I mean we could have just retained 50% and offered Bo at 2.75m ourselves lol. If for any reason they end up with a lottery pick this year.. there is no way they are magically getting better next season. Either pick is good and they won't get a better one by flipping Bo again anyways 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Garland plays a better game offensively, but Beau plays the better defensive game, but they seem to play a similar style. The team has an overabundance of RWs; especially when you consider that Podz will be on the team next season and Klim maybe the following season. Beau can slide into the 3rd LW and immediately improve the 3rd line. Where's this Antonio Beau going to play though? Same line with Anthony Beau? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 hours ago, stawns said: I said Miller was going to get $8.5 over 8 years, I wasn't wrong by much. I figured Boeser would sign gos QO , but never expected this group to be dumb enough to sign either player to a contract........that was where I was wrong. I over estimated their intelligence Yikes I actually meant to type, you’re not wrong about their contracts. I didn’t like them either. Sorry man. Auto correct is killing me here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Management wanted to change the country club culture and did that. The nice guy uncle coach and soft spoken captain are now gone. I hope that RT and the new captain; Hughes or Petey lead this team upwards. A lot of work still to be done… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistolPete13 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 hours ago, Dazzle said: Nah. I was also firmly on trade Miller from the beginning, and I knew this would be a bad signing. Management is truly bad at assessing players. I actually was too. I meant to type that “you’re not wrong about the Miller and Boeser contracts”. I did not like them one bit. Auto correct. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 15 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Garland plays a better game offensively, but Beau plays the better defensive game, but they seem to play a similar style. The team has an overabundance of RWs; especially when you consider that Podz will be on the team next season and Klim maybe the following season. Beau can slide into the 3rd LW and immediately improve the 3rd line. Prettttty sure the Islanders reporter said Beau is weak defensively though. I personally don't know and I could care less about watching a pure defensive team like the Islanders haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Diamonds said: Boeser is likely upset, it also recently looked like Petey has been getting fed up with Miller recently so he might be upset also. Miller is probably happy as he can now try to make it his team. Not much doubt that it is Petey's team now. Still hoping Miller gets moved as well. IMO one of the issues PA has had to deal with is the trade history of the Canucks. My impression was that other GM's thought that if they played the deals out down to the wire that they would get a better deal. PA pulled the trigger on this one and appears to be decent enough value. My hope is that Bo will only score enough to keep the NYI in #13 draft spot. Didn't Trotz walk away from his coaching job there? Lou is known for his 'opinions'. The Isles have struggled ever since Trotz left. Maybe even before? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, Diamonds said: All-in-all this was probably a pretty fair return for Horvat. I'm excited about Räty's potential and if the pick is in the 13-17 range that could be a great pick for us. I am definitely confused as to why NYI did it though with where they're at in the standings unless they're confident he will re-sign. Bo likely elevates them to a playoff team but not a contender unless it's a Cinderella run. If the Islanders do decide to re-sign Horvat they likely have to let Scott Mayfield go in the off-season. Mayfield could be a fantastic stop-gap partner for Hughes and might be able to be had for something like 3x3. if we can sign him for 3 million... i would be ecstatic.... his underlying numbers and utilization says he is a top 4 shutdown dman... and he is NYI number 1 dman on the second best PK in the league.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said: Wonder what impact this trade has on our current roster. If our locker room was divided at all, who’s happy and who’s upset that Bo is gone? If our roster needs major surgery like management has said. I don't think it really matters. Most of these chumps should be moved. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Prettttty sure the Islanders reporter said Beau is weak defensively though. I personally don't know and I could care less about watching a pure defensive team like the Islanders haha! that i dont believe... a weak defensive player does not get minutes on the leagues 2nd best PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JayDangles Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, hammertime said: I dunno man I think we tend to over value our guys like Miller last year. Bo is a 60 pt guy with intangibles he's about to get paid like a ppg guy. Which diminishes his value. The question will be can he keep up this pace or does he crash back to earth once pen hits paper. Voice of reason right here. Let someone else take the risk of resigning Bo. I'd rather the risk of both Raty and the 1st not developing, than the risk of signing another 7 year contract based on 1 year of high level production. 2 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: if we can sign him for 3 million... i would be ecstatic.... his underlying numbers and utilization says he is a top 4 shutdown dman... and he is NYI number 1 dman on the second best PK in the league.... He fits a similar mold to Tanev and Larsson as pretty much a pure defensive defenseman. So he could be worth 4-4.5M like their contracts, but both of them have also historically logged more minutes than Mayfield which is why I think he might be able to be had for 3M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 10 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: If our roster needs major surgery like management has said. I don't think it really matters. Most of these chumps should be moved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Diamonds said: He fits a similar mold to Tanev and Larsson as pretty much a pure defensive defenseman. So he could be worth 4-4.5M like their contracts, but both of them have also historically logged more minutes than Mayfield which is why I think he might be able to be had for 3M. so this is his career year? then... im much more likely to want to pay someone for career defensive prowess than offensive prowess... its not like he was even getting his numbers pumped by his linemates... Sebastion Aho and alexander Romanov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 11 hours ago, Alflives said: Better than Carlsson because we are drafting him? Petey, Ratty, Carlsson Damn good centre strength. Can’t have 2 many centers, Besides, most become a bit “ambidextrous “ and move to wing from time to time anyway. Its like the old days Alf .. your spare pitchers are in the outfield;) This dosent mean much in his early career BUT.. 67 face offs in 12 games and 52% , not bad mr Raty Edited January 31 by SilentSam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherCanucksFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 hours ago, spook007 said: news flash friend....you can't.... Well they can get rid of Miller, OEL, and Myers, but it will cost them. Still better to get them onto another team because they just cost us games now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canucks Curse Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 This... Very risky move by NYI I doubt they make playoffs, likely finishing 13-15th Bo not likely to re sign given their whole situation, old team, bubble to non playoff team, not near his home town... Lou will possibly try to flip bo at TDL and recoup a later 1st and a similar level prospect think to BOS for just Lysell and 1st but teams will know Lou has 0 leverage so they would be lucky to even get that... the 1st they gave us, if they slip to 12 or lower is likely top 10 next year and very possibly top 5 so not a bad return, Oh and btw, for ppl clamouring they didn't "shop of the offer" to teams to try and further jack up the return... this is essentially the package we lost from the Miller trade that blew up when Lou had a freak out the Fridge was tweeting about leaked info at the e 2022 draft... this 1st we are getting is the main piece, think about that, I think this is a pretty good return... sure beats Lysell, 27th OA and Trent what's his name... 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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