Diamonds Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 11 hours ago, Alflives said: Better than Carlsson because we are drafting him? Petey, Ratty, Carlsson Damn good centre strength. If we end up drafting Carlsson, I can see him becoming a very similar player to Nicklas Backstrom. Stacking a top with with Petey and a prime Backstrom (Carlsson) would be a fantastic problem to have. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SilentSam Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 52 minutes ago, Hogs & Podz said: I'll say this.... I'm excited and ready for a step back to change the narrative. That has begun. Truth is, I feel like both Horvat and Miller are great high end players... But really, more specifically, high end support players. Love both these guys but for different reasons, however, regardless of my appreciation I have for them as individuals and players, I wanted and still want to move on from both. Neither Miller or Horvat went about their business in the same way that Petey and Hughes do... Basically from a different generation, even though they are pretty close in age. I feel like, Kuzy, Podz, Högs, Klim and now Räty are the voices and energy of this team... It's been heading in that direction for a while now. JT and Horvat simply were and are not good fits for the culture going forward. I hope they find a taker for JT, even if it means salary retention. We'll see what happens, but regardless, I have hope again that this team might be heading in the right direction after 10 years of the the same old underwhelming story. JT ‘s drive is what has rubbed off onto the shoulders of Hogz Podz and EP . Thats why they wanted him to stay. Drive. Physical play, and an aggressive demeanour willing to stick up for a teammate.. and still posting numbers close to 1.0 ppg his entire career with us. 2 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kilgore Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, AnotherCanucksFan said: Well they can get rid of Miller, OEL, and Myers, but it will cost them. Still better to get them onto another team because they just cost us games now. LOL Miller does not "cost us games" He is now, by my calculations, 11 points ahead of a point per game pace since his arrival. Consistency is a huge factor as well for him. Good signing. Just stop it with the anti Miller BS. At the very least you'd think Canuck fans would wish him well here. Because if he's a success, so is the team. 1 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: This... Very risky move by NYI I doubt they make playoffs, likely finishing 13-15th Bo not likely to re sign given their whole situation, old team, bubble to non playoff team, not near his home town... Lou will possibly try to flip bo at TDL and recoup a later 1st and a similar level prospect think to BOS for just Lysell and 1st but teams will know Lou has 0 leverage so they would be lucky to even get that... the 1st they gave us, if they slip to 12 or lower is likely top 10 next year and very possibly top 5 so not a bad return, Oh and btw, for ppl clamouring they didn't "shop of the offer" to teams to try and further jack up the return... this is essentially the package we lost from the Miller trade that blew up when Lou had a freak out the Fridge was tweeting about leaked info at the e 2022 draft... this 1st we are getting is the main piece, think about that, I think this is a pretty good return... sure beats Lysell, 27th OA and Trent what's his name... Well while we're at it, we should trade Miller as well then. This team needs to start from scratch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, SilentSam said: JT ‘s drive is what has rubbed off onto the shoulders of Hogz Podz and EP . Thats why they wanted him to stay. Drive. Physical play, and an aggressive demeanour willing to stick up for a teammate.. and still posting numbers close to 1.0 ppg his entire career with us. People don't realize that we do need a few snarly guys....who also produce. Does Miller have moments/lapses? Sure. But if/when we get to the playoffs he's exactly what we need. People mostly just want to be "right" and are stuck on their stance from last year...when they thought for sure he'd be moved. Somehow they focus ONLY on the bad stuff and make it glaring while overlooking what he does do. It's so overdone at this point. 2 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 27 minutes ago, combover said: .40 ppg this season brocks .73 of coarse you don’t care about points because it doesn’t benefit your argument but yet you constantly argue millers a Ppg player. You pick and chose what works for you. really It doesn’t matter what stats mean whatever to you since there the facts not fabricated narratives. So miller isn’t a 8 mill 100 point player / ppg player since you took all his secondary assists away since they don’t mean diddly…. Huh. Miller gets primary assists, he actually sets players up to score. Kuzmenko and BO are prime examples. He also has 18 goals, so on top of setting guys up, he's also on pace for 30+ goals. 100 point players don't get $8 million, they get $10 million. Miller is re-signed to be an 80 point player, not a 100 point player. Boeser has been given every opportunity to score goals. Playing with Petey, taking Kuzmenko's spot on the PP. Rather than scoring goals, he is piling up secondary assists. Also, his goals are mostly tap ins. Meanwhile, Kuzmenko keeps piling up goals and driving play even on the 3rd line. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, -DLC- said: People don't realize that we do need a few snarly guys....who also produce. Does Miller have moments/lapses? Sure. But if/when we get to the playoffs he's exactly what you need. Yes, but we, unfortunately, aren't a playoff team for quite a little while. By the time we are, Miller might be out of his prime. That's why the signing of Miller demonstrated a complete lack of planning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Yes, but we, unfortunately, aren't a playoff team for quite a little while. By the time we are, Miller might be out of his prime. That's why the signing of Miller demonstrated a complete lack of planning. "Quite a while yet" is a guess/opinion. We'll see what develops. If it's that far down the road, he will be nearing the midway point/end of his contract anyway. Guys these days can still produce into their mid 30's...out of his prime is tbd just as when we make the playoffs is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Wonder what Weekes knows, he said we didn't really shop around the trade, thinks we left value on the table to get the deal done quickly... Happy with the value coming back (but really wanted a defenceman over a center and winger) but I bet Allvin didn't squeeze this trade as much as he could have, he went the conservative route to just get it done. Not the worst thing in the world either, this rebuild needs to get going, but makes you wonder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: It’s hard because I’m old school. I don’t do memes. You don't need memes, when you swing like that. Have a nice evening in Sweden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogs & Podz Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, SilentSam said: JT ‘s drive is what has rubbed off onto the shoulders of Hogz Podz and EP . Thats why they wanted him to stay. Drive. Physical play, and an aggressive demeanour willing to stick up for a teammate.. and still posting numbers close to 1.0 ppg his entire career with us. Yes those are some of his qualities. And yes I believe the rest of his teammates have benefitted from his drive and passion. However, it comes with other characteristics that wear on his teammates as well. I feel the the negatives now out way the positives. Petey and Hughes have learned everything they can from Miller. Because of his larger than life personally and the fact that he finds it hard to contain or direct his energy productively, his antics are now mostly a distraction. Again, he is a very valuable player. And quite frankly I like his honest interviews and candidness, but I just don't think he is the right personality to mesh with Petey and Hughes long term. I'd prefer more Schenn type of players over Miller type a player. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 42 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Voice of reason right here. Let someone else take the risk of resigning Bo. I'd rather the risk of both Raty and the 1st not developing, than the risk of signing another 7 year contract based on 1 year of high level production. Not saying you are wrong, but in Bo’s defense - he has been improving steadily since coming into the league. So I don’t look at this as a one time thing for him. He’ll decline at some point as many do but he has been building up towards this for years. I for one have always been pleased with his game and how it has improved through the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Dazzle said: Yes, but we, unfortunately, aren't a playoff team for quite a little while. By the time we are, Miller might be out of his prime. That's why the signing of Miller demonstrated a complete lack of planning. I’m pretty sure we are on the correct path of changing the culture here,. Bo was apart of the softness. Miller is a complete hockey player, and an identity for the young core to create their own Drive with .. Thats why he is here for at least 3 more years,. because it’s a crucial time to establish that culture.. and get it back to the years of Kurtenbach , Smyl, and Linden. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 33 minutes ago, AnotherCanucksFan said: Well they can get rid of Miller, OEL, and Myers, but it will cost them. Still better to get them onto another team because they just cost us games now. It'll be too costly for OEL, Miller perhaps but as you said, it'll cost. And finally Myers may represent some value next TDL, or just let his contract run down. Benning tried to get rid of unwanted contracts 1 year prior to them running out, and we ended up with OEL... please lets not do this ever again. 1 more year and Myers and Pearson or gone, it will start to open up for us then. Edited January 31 by spook007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Devron said: Bo said all good, I won’t be here for long I would bet on Bo signing a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 9 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: A: Exactly what he should be doing and what should have been done years ago. Tear this rotten team down from the Top down! I'm sick and tired of watching this joke of a team get worse year after year. Long overdue! well, you might just get your wish. this seems and feels like the first of many trades coming (Brock, Garland, Demko, etc). Petey and Hughes will see a very different team next season. Will they be happier if the team is winning much more? This is a business at the end of the day. They'll all still be friends, the NHL is a fraternity of sorts...but at the end of the day, it's not personal, it's business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, Westcoasting said: I would bet on Bo signing a new deal. He'll sign a long term contract with the Islanders. It's weird that he'd have split his time almost equally between the Canucks and Islanders. Does he come back here near the end of his career? could be our bottom six centre in the twilight of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthWestNuck Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, SilentSam said: JT ‘s drive is what has rubbed off onto the shoulders of Hogz Podz and EP . Thats why they wanted him to stay. Drive. Physical play, and an aggressive demeanour willing to stick up for a teammate.. and still posting numbers close to 1.0 ppg his entire career with us. What drive? Miller doesn’t have drive, he’s the least likely to backcheck in the whole league. That’s not to say he’s not talented, he has amazing skill, sure. But when things aren’t going his way, he doesn’t dig deep and motivate his teammates. He tries to do everything himself and ends up coughing up the puck. Miller is a great player, but I don’t want his “drive” rubbing off on anyone. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I’m pretty sure we are on the correct path of changing the culture here,. Bo was apart of the softness. Miller is a complete hockey player, and an identity for the young core to create their own Drive with .. Thats why he is here for at least 3 more years,. because it’s a crucial time to establish that culture.. and get it back to the years of Kurtenbach , Smyl, and Linden. Miller is a complete hockey player? LOL. I know you're not joking, but wish you were. Miller has defensive defencies in his game. He's not a 200 feet player, which means he ain't a "complete player". c'mon now. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 i would rather trade Miller to a contender now. Id be willing to take back a bad contract that expires soon like Jordan Stall, and replace that player with JT Miller. In exchange we get a prospect and another 1st 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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