grandmaster Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: You forgot to mention that he has the 3rd worst +/- record on the team at Minus -13 which also puts him tied as 53rd worst +/- player in the entire National Hockey League out of all 857 skaters. That's certainly nothing to write home about and one of the reason he's so hard to get rid of - being the liability he is. He is not a player you get rid of in the first place. The team is a defensive disaster this season and I remember so many folks here saying plus minus is not a stat you can bank on due to other issues. He plays hard minutes. But hey, since it’s Miller, this is on him right? Look at Miller’s overall play through the years and he was a plus 15 last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: that i dont believe... a weak defensive player does not get minutes on the leagues 2nd best PK I hope you're right! I only heard the Islanders beat writer or whatever making that claim on the 650 morning show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highstickin Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 22 minutes ago, DeNiro said: This trade makes me think back to the draft. Remember it was reported that a deal was done with the Islanders and that it involved Miller? Gotta wonder if a very similar package was involved in that offer. Was this just a continuation of those negotiations with Miller swapped out for Horvat? Im thinking Allvin might have been after Raty for awhile now. You could be right considering Pitt didn't have a selection in the 2021 draft prior to Raty being selected. Maybe PA thought he would fall a few more picks to them or wasn't willing to pay the price at the time to move up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, cripplereh said: If this team rebuilt right after the twins left people here would have way more respect for No as our captain. The team should have begun the rebuild after the 2012 playoffs. While I like the Sedins and all, waiting for them to retire before thinking about rebuilding made zero sense. Those four-year contracts they signed in 2013 didn't make much sense to me. 2 minutes ago, cripplereh said: I think the owners and who they hired never gave Bo a good team to lead. Without a doubt. This hapless organization hasn't iced a decent team since 2011. Bo barely ever had linemates that remained with him for more than a few games. 2 minutes ago, cripplereh said: Saying that he did a great job with the team he was dealt. For sure. I can't see anyone else presently on the team, aside from Schenn, who could have maintained such an even keel in light of such poor management. 2 minutes ago, cripplereh said: I will miss Bo and will always see him as a good leader and person. Likewise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 16 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Maybe it was always BO that was going to be dealt and Lou pulled the plug at the draft but went through with it now... I did say : Lou, Loves Bo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 hour ago, higgyfan said: I'm basing my comment on what PA said about watching Beau's game over the years and stating that he could see him playing on the PK. You are so right about the Islanders. I wouldn't be surprised that even with Bo, they don't make the playoffs this year. They have Florida nipping at their heals and the 2 teams ahead of them have more points + 3 games in hand. I played the simulator this morning and ended with the Canucks getting the 1oa + 13oa on my first try. Can you imagine that Let's hope! Crazy how hard it is to find guys who give Motte like effort defensively while still being able to contribute offensively at a 2nd/3rd line pace lol. Yeah I just look at the division and east in general... who the hell are they passing? Everyone around them will be loading up or selling. Imo anyways they should remain pretty much where they are at. There is always that chance Bo really helps their PP though and they start winning every game 3-2 as opposed to losing them 3-2... But now I have a real reason to be negative towards another fanbase. Islanders twitter ain't ready for what mustardsports will be throwing their way 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 27 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: Grinder. FarmersOnly dot com 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I genuinely think we could have done more to get a bidding war going and perhaps gotten more back in terms of pure draft capital. Yea, maybe a Boston/Carolina/Toronto/Tampa....etc first is not as good as the Islanders 1st... but if we could have got a 1st and 2 2nds from a better team (with no dead cap back), would that not have been arguably better? People gotta remember we could have taken on $4M of dead cap from another team and probably gotten an extra 2nd or 3rd in return.... we had to give up a 2nd just to get rid of Dicikinson.... I grade this trade similar to Benning's trade of Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grandmaster Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: I genuinely think we could have done more to get a bidding war going and perhaps gotten more back in terms of pure draft capital. Yea, maybe a Boston/Carolina/Toronto/Tampa....etc first is not as good as the Islanders 1st... but if we could have got a 1st and 2 2nds from a better team (with no dead cap back), would that not have been arguably better? People gotta remember we could have taken on $4M of dead cap from another team and probably gotten an extra 2nd or 3rd in return.... we had to give up a 2nd just to get rid of Dicikinson.... I grade this trade similar to Benning's trade of Kesler. Three problems: 1) what if Bo got “normal” and stopped scoring at this pace? 2) what if Bo got injured? 3) getting those additional seconds is meaningless versus a first that’s projected to be high (most seconds do not equate to good NHL players), I rather have the more likely pick that turns pro and is good. Edited January 31 by grandmaster 1 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highstickin Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: I genuinely think we could have done more to get a bidding war going and perhaps gotten more back in terms of pure draft capital. Yea, maybe a Boston/Carolina/Toronto/Tampa....etc first is not as good as the Islanders 1st... but if we could have got a 1st and 2 2nds from a better team (with no dead cap back), would that not have been arguably better? People gotta remember we could have taken on $4M of dead cap from another team and probably gotten an extra 2nd or 3rd in return.... we had to give up a 2nd just to get rid of Dicikinson.... I grade this trade similar to Benning's trade of Kesler. The issue I see it that your hoping for a bidding war, it is not a guarantee. I also think a 13-20th pick this year (or possible lottery next year) is far more valuable than a package including 30th, 60th and a second next year which will likely fall in that same range. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Not an amazing trade for Van and not terrible either. In the end I'm glad they made a decision and did it. Obviously the Isle get the best player in the trade and all the best to Bo. Will be hard to fully judge the trade though until some time passes. When Bo signs (wherever) if it is around 7.5 million or higher for 7 years then I think that'll be good for Van since that contract may not hold up (similar to Miller). Then of course Raty and the 1st is still awhile until we know if they'll pan out at all in the NHL. Beauvillier is so so to me. Maybe a new team helps him take a step. Mostly looks to be cap out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 8 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Three problems: 1) what if Bo got “normal” and stopped scoring at this pace? 2) what if Bo got injured? 3) getting that additional second is meaningless versus a first that’s projected to be high (most seconds do not equate to good NHL players), I rather have the more likely pick that turns pro and is good. I agree with your point 2 namely and myself was worried about this over the last few weeks so I don't necessarily hate pulling the trigger now. Less concerned about Bo's production falling off a cliff but theres no question he could have gotten hurt and then we'd have gotten nothing. I'm just skeptical that many teams were really in on him. Apparently the Hurricanes were interested and then balked when the Canucks asked for a certain player in return. Probably the same could be said for other interested parties. Part of me wishes this team had an open and honest policy that Bo was available to the highest bidder and any package would be considered (whether purely picks / prospects / vets / otherwise). I think we painted ourselves into a corner by demanding to get a young roster player back. It eliminates certain teams from consideration, thereby decreasing the number of teams bidding on the player which naturally drives down demand and lowers the final price. I also think its worth noting AB's $4M contract for next year comes at a fairly substantial opportunity cost. Further, teams are more willing to bid more when the player (Bo) is going to go to a direct competitor. I doubt the Hurricanes care that Bo went to the Isles... but if the Lightning (hypothetically) or Leafs were in on him they'd be more likely to pay more to block the trade to help prevent that team from improving even more. Edited January 31 by Sell.the.team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Herberts Vasiljevs Posted January 31 Popular Post Share Posted January 31 Now that a day has passed, it is hard to imagine how else we could have done better making this deal. I know we did not acquire a young RHD, but they are virtually impossible to find. Nils Lundkvist comes to mind, but he is smallish puck mover - not a bigger sized guy who brings physicality. We can take a guy like Reinbacher with the Isles pick! 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 33 minutes ago, Ballisticsports. said: Not sure about a GREAT team mate, You stand up for your team mates when attacked in front of you, so I won't go that far, but he probably is a great or good person on speculation Valid point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Was beauviller the islanders tanner Pearson? now we have 2 tanner pearsons when we should have 0 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, BertaNuck said: Was beauviller the islanders tanner Pearson? now we have 2 tanner pearsons when we should have 0 Really don't get the hate Pearson gets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 18 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: I genuinely think we could have done more to get a bidding war going and perhaps gotten more back in terms of pure draft capital. Yea, maybe a Boston/Carolina/Toronto/Tampa....etc first is not as good as the Islanders 1st... but if we could have got a 1st and 2 2nds from a better team (with no dead cap back), would that not have been arguably better? People gotta remember we could have taken on $4M of dead cap from another team and probably gotten an extra 2nd or 3rd in return.... we had to give up a 2nd just to get rid of Dicikinson.... I grade this trade similar to Benning's trade of Kesler. Bo has been on the market for months. I think the bidding was bidded. It's like a stock. You can hold to the last moment but if the market floods or turns, your value is diminished. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Really don't get the hate Pearson gets. That's not really hate. Just someone who doesn't want Pearson on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highstickin Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Sell.the.team said: I agree with your point 2 namely and myself was worried about this over the last few weeks so I don't necessarily hate pulling the trigger now. Less concerned about Bo's production falling off a cliff but theres no question he could have gotten hurt and then we'd have gotten nothing. I'm just skeptical that many teams were really in on him. Apparently the Hurricanes were interested and then balked when the Canucks asked for a certain player in return. Probably the same could be said for other interested parties. Part of me wishes this team had an open and honest policy that Bo was available to the highest bidder and any package would be considered (whether purely picks / prospects / vets / otherwise). I think we painted ourselves into a corner by demanding to get a young roster player back. It eliminates certain teams from consideration, thereby decreasing the number of teams bidding on the player which naturally drives down demand and lowers the final price. I also think its worth noting AB's $4M contract for next year comes at a fairly substantial opportunity cost. For years this team has been floating without a clear path forward. Trading for players (OEL), signing free agents (Beagle, Rous) and to a certain degree drafting (or trading of draft picks prior to having a competing roster) have all lead to a team without an identity. I am glad management came out and said we need to get younger and faster, here is what we are looking for and we won't sell without it. Say the Blues were willing to put ROR out there in a trade for Bo, would you accept it as the canucks? Why would you when it doesn't really fit with the core age or window for competing. If you think this team is going to compete in the next 2 seasons, maybe thats where we should start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrago Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I'm not a huge fan of how JR and PA have performed up until this point, that being said this trade seems like a C plus to a B trade to me that could move up depending on how they use that draft pick. Judging by there last draft I'm not too hopeful but if they have a good draft it could set up for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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