Darius Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Alflives said: Maybe teams like the Islanders talk to Bo before the trade and realize they can’t sign him, so the market shrinks? Fair point. Im also thinking that Lou pried a price range out of Allvin....so he didnt go into this completely blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, grandmaster said: Neither was Bure. Not all forwards have to be a Ryan freaking Kesler. He has the ability to back check and has demonstrated this, it’s just not one his biggest strengths this year. There aren’t that many of them on this team by the way. Not even Bo, our former captain, did that on a regular basis. This is mostly a coaching and systems issue. When we see posters like you and @Coconuts @stawns who hate the guy make comments, it’s based on an over dramatization and self fulfilling prophecy to reinforce the bias you guys have against him. Pick any player who you see do a giveaway or fail on a back check and you guys forget about it after. If it’s Miller, then it’s like oh my god Ossam Bin Laden is back on the ice and just blew the team up again. It’s getting so tiresome. I don't hate Miller, I just don't prefer him. No player is perfect. I get that. Miller in my mind, however, had a career 99 points, I honestly don't think he gets to that unless he's playing with Petey, which they can't be doing now because they're down a centre. I'd like to see Miller be played in the middle and see if anything changes under Tocchet. IF nothing changes, then the narrative about him, at least for me, doesn't change. Poor defensively, lazy and giving up on the backcheck. JT's got a lot to prove with the areas and deficits in his game. I also think Miller's out there more with a negative perception because of his antics. Sure, other players don't backcheck and give up on plays as well, but they way they carry themselves on the ice gives a different perception. JT's on ice antics and behavior gets old, and that kind of stuff wears thin pretty fast. I think there's a reason for why Allvin didn't mention his name as possible next captain. Emotion's not bad, and certainly there's a fine line there, but the kind of emotion that JT's thrown out there has gotten old. Smashing his stick on the bench, on the goalie's goalposts, etc. I know he hates to lose, but so does everyone in that locker room, he ain't the only player that hates to lose, but he's the only guy showing it the way he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 8 minutes ago, hammertime said: Love how if this trade was in the proposals section it would have been panned so hard but come in here and most everyone is rainbows and tiddlywinks Not to pat myself on the back, cause we don't even know how it'll shake out. But I proposed this deal before. And I even seen others suggest it or something similar. Roster player, prospect, and 1st. It's a pretty standard proposal. The only people that would have a reason to be mad, are people that actually believed we could get Shane Wright, or those Kasper, Edvinsson, and 1st proposals. Guy is a UFA and we gave nobody negotiation time. This is a really good deal under the circumstances. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 7 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: If you're going to reference someone, at least get their name right Ha! I see it now, lol. Oops! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 14 minutes ago, hammertime said: Love how if this trade was in the proposals section it would have been panned so hard but come in here and most everyone is rainbows and tiddlywinks This is what I expected in return for what is likely a rental. Not sure why you were expecting a King's Ransom for a rental. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: Guy is a UFA and we gave nobody negotiation time. I wonder what the reason Allvin and management had as their reason to not allow other teams to negotiate a long term contract with Bo if a deal were to be had? I wonder also if they could've gotten more than what they got from the Islanders. I hate dealing with Lamoriello. The guy is smart. Did he outsmart Allvin in this deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 13 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said: You have to think that management were not going to make another Miller mistake in turning down what was on the table when they had a chance. People will say they had to get this deal right, but honestly, it's more like they couldn't get it wrong. If Bo walked or ended up signing for a monster contract, that would have been much worse than the insurance they took yesterday. I think they could have got more, but probably not a lot more given that he's having a career year and he's on an expiring contract. Agreed. Plus fans seem to treat NHL mgmt teams as though they have no clue what they are doing. Bo had a value ceiling that most GMs realize is in the 6.5-7.75mill per range. Even with all the things Bo brings to the table, you have to pay for his career average, as this season is the obvious anomaly. I think we did ok considering everything, and made the smart money move. Most heart on their sleeve fans should be upset about this move, because Bo was an awesome person with great character and led this club as best he could. Unfortunately, it takes sacrifice to unlock our cap and prospect issues. This trade does well for us in both capacities. And frankly, Bo deserves better than what he got here and the mess he was asked to lead, imho. win win for both us and Bo even if it doesn’t feel like it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apricot Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I literally needed a whole day to process this and I still havent... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: Not to pat myself on the back, cause we don't even know how it'll shake out. But I proposed this deal before. And I even seen others suggest it or something similar. Roster player, prospect, and 1st. It's a pretty standard proposal. The only people that would have a reason to be mad, are people that actually believed we could get Shane Wright, or those Kasper, Edvinsson, and 1st proposals. Guy is a UFA and we gave nobody negotiation time. This is a really good deal under the circumstances. I agree. The other thing that confuses me is all this talk of "we should have gotten a RHD instead".....My question is "why"? If we got a defender instead of AB, maybe it would improve the team's play defensively. (I doubt it but, maybe...) What good does that do? It certainly doesn't put the Canucks in the playoffs. All it does is potentially worsen our draft position. Or, if you're saying we should have demanded a D prospect instead of Raty, again, why? We just traded away our top center. Are you saying we don't need a center prospect? I don't know.....it seems to me that a lot of people are pissed off with management because of the piss poor job they've done so far and they're bound and determined to call this move another mistake. Persoanlly, I think a player with not much term + a pick + a good prospect is more than fair return for a player that everyone knew we had to trade..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 21 hours ago, mll said: Not possible. The pick is top-12 protected and would slide to next season. not really talking about the isles pick. the trade contributes to our slide etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: Wait, isn’t that what we were saying after Miller signing? If the Isles somehow get 12th overall pick this season, I sense a top 5 pick coming our way from them in 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grumpyone Posted February 1 Popular Post Share Posted February 1 Elliot Friedman said today that the top 12 protected pick this year could be waived but probably only will be if the pick isn't Bedard. That means we could end up with a top 10 pick AND our own pick. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dazzle Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, RWJC said: Agreed. Plus fans seem to treat NHL mgmt teams as though they have no clue what they are doing. Bo had a value ceiling that most GMs realize is in the 6.5-7.75mill per range. Even with all the things Bo brings to the table, you have to pay for his career average, as this season is the obvious anomaly. I think we did ok considering everything, and made the smart money move. Most heart on their sleeve fans should be upset about this move, because Bo was an awesome person with great character and led this club as best he could. Unfortunately, it takes sacrifice to unlock our cap and prospect issues. This trade does well for us in both capacities. And frankly, Bo deserves better than what he got here and the mess he was asked to lead, imho. win win for both us and Bo even if it doesn’t feel like it. I cannot agree with any of this, objectively speaking. Using your logic, it would make no sense that Miller would be paid 8 million, considering your "anomaly" argument. Miller had a career last year, as everyone knows. He has never hit the 90 point mark before. Likewise, Horvat has never produced as much as he has this year. Yet every single year, Horvat has improved. So Horvat's not worth at least 8 mill? Here's Horvat's stats. vs Miller's The stats are not at all that different. Miller has played over 60 more games, and has 78 more points. Moreover, aside from the offense part which Miller is better at, he is not superior to Horvat in other ways, such as faceoffs. So are you saying that Miller's contract is overpaid then? If you don't, you'll be contradicting yourself. Edited February 1 by Dazzle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: I agree. The other thing that confuses me is all this talk of "we should have gotten a RHD instead".....My question is "why"? If we got a defender instead of AB, maybe it would improve the team's play defensively. (I doubt it but, maybe...) What good does that do? It certainly doesn't put the Canucks in the playoffs. All it does is potentially worsen our draft position. Or, if you're saying we should have demanded a D prospect instead of Raty, again, why? We just traded away our top center. Are you saying we don't need a center prospect? I don't know.....it seems to me that a lot of people are pissed off with management because of the piss poor job they've done so far and they're bound and determined to call this move another mistake. Persoanlly, I think a player with not much term + a pick + a good prospect is more than fair return for a player that everyone knew we had to trade..... Yeah I don't understand why people are mad we didn't fix every hole in the franchise with one move, we can make other moves. Not to mention, that pick will be good enough to grab that RHD that we want. Lol. They'll likely finish just outside the playoffs, but not top 12. Reinbacher will be sitting there for us to grab. So we can still get that RHD that people want, with the pick we got here. I dunno. People just need to be mad all the time. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: This is what I expected in return for what is likely a rental. Not sure why you were expecting a King's Ransom for a rental. Where did I say that. I'm fine w it these nincompoops put themselves in this situation. I didn't expect a king's ransom. It is what it is. Hey at least we've cornered the market on wingers. Edited February 1 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I don't hate Miller, I just don't prefer him. No player is perfect. I get that. Miller in my mind, however, had a career 99 points, I honestly don't think he gets to that unless he's playing with Petey, which they can't be doing now because they're down a centre. I'd like to see Miller be played in the middle and see if anything changes under Tocchet. IF nothing changes, then the narrative about him, at least for me, doesn't change. Poor defensively, lazy and giving up on the backcheck. JT's got a lot to prove with the areas and deficits in his game. I also think Miller's out there more with a negative perception because of his antics. Sure, other players don't backcheck and give up on plays as well, but they way they carry themselves on the ice gives a different perception. JT's on ice antics and behavior gets old, and that kind of stuff wears thin pretty fast. I think there's a reason for why Allvin didn't mention his name as possible next captain. Emotion's not bad, and certainly there's a fine line there, but the kind of emotion that JT's thrown out there has gotten old. Smashing his stick on the bench, on the goalie's goalposts, etc. I know he hates to lose, but so does everyone in that locker room, he ain't the only player that hates to lose, but he's the only guy showing it the way he does. A lot of us fans appreciate JT’s emotions and passion. It’s obviously polarizing. While I actually love his fire, I also agree the Captaincy needs to be on a bit more of a diplomatic player. I think Miller is perfect as an A. Yes, Miller will go back as centre and RT will help bring him back on track like last year. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, -DLC- said: I know it's not ideal, but I kind of lean towards a rotating captaincy, or 3 "A's".... OEL Miller and maybe Myers as placeholders until Petey is ready.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 22 hours ago, mll said: He could also get traded further if they can't agree on a deal. What do you think about Miller? Would we have to add a sweetener to dump him, or would we expect to receive something in a trade, or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sell.the.team Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, grandmaster said: A lot of us fans appreciate JT’s emotions and passion. It’s obviously polarizing. While I actually love his fire, I also agree the Captaincy needs to be on a bit more of a diplomatic player. I think Miller is perfect as an A. Yes, Miller will go back as centre and RT will help bring him back on track like last year. I think JT can re-find his game and modify his bad attitude to become the player we need and want. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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