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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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Just now, SilentSam said:

Do you think he runs with Bo in the playoffs even to lose Bo to UFA ?

that’s bold ..      

see , that’s where I think Lou loses his job , is directly after Bo leaves if that’s the case.


Right now the odds of the Isles making the playoffs are 12.1%

 

If any two of the following happen (maybe even just one) Lou is toast.

Fans are screaming for his head already and the noise is at least as loud there as it is here.

 

- if they miss the playoffs

- if they can’t re-sign Bo

- if they can’t get comparable value to this trade at the deadline

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2 hours ago, Mustard Tiger said:

Imagine picking 6th and 13th. Very realistic and would do WONDERS for our pool. Add in maybe some more 2nds via other trades.. Hell we could look at our 2nd like a late first as a "wise" man once said. This is the moment I've dreamed of as we are FINALLY at least to an extent focusing YOUTH AND FUTURE:towel:

We were at the bottom so long !!!!

Been a few years being excited for a draft

 

Feels like a welcome relief for the future now

with no 1st or 2nd round picks in 2020

no  1st round pick in 2021

no 2nd round pick in 2022

 

Being at the bottom those missed 2nd round picks were like a late 1st as you say

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It’s crazy to think trading Horvat, Boeser, and Myers is gonna fix things.

 

Like the issues with this team runs deeper than just their play on the ice. And I would say those players are all the nice guys on the team. 


What if we go into next season and we hear about the same rifts and divided room as this season? Then what?

 

I just don’t see any way you don’t trade Miller. You can’t go half way with this. If he’s on the team next season and being pouty or “the alpha dog” in the locker room it’s too late to trade him anywhere. All of a sudden he has all the control with his NTC and we’re stuck making a bad deal.

 

Its too big of risk to not completely tear the leadership group down. Especially if you want Pettersson to be the next captain. As long as Miller is here he will be the leader. And look where that got us this season…

 

 

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What should we be hoping for:

 

The Islanders end up with the thirteenth (or lower) pick in this year's Draft which reverts to Vancouver or

 

The Islanders end up with the twelfth (or higher) pick in this year's Draft, keep it, and we get their first rounder in 2024?

 

 

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7 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

It’s crazy to think trading Horvat, Boeser, and Myers is gonna fix things.

 

Like the issues with this team runs deeper than just their play on the ice. And I would say those players are all the nice guys on the team. 


What if we go into next season and we hear about the same rifts and divided room as this season? Then what?

 

I just don’t see any way you don’t trade Miller. You can’t go half way with this. If he’s on the team next season and being pouty or “the alpha dog” in the locker room it’s too late to trade him anywhere. All of a sudden he has all the control with his NTC and we’re stuck making a bad deal.

 

Its too big of risk to not completely tear the leadership group down. Especially if you want Pettersson to be the next captain. As long as Miller is here he will be the leader. And look where that got us this season…

 

 

Tocchet has about 1 month to help them make that call... 

 

I'm still hopefull  lol

 

Though I guess technically we could still wait until the end of June.

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1 hour ago, Muttley said:

We see as bad if not worse almost every night in the highlights. Good hit but 1.5 seconds late. It's hard to pull out of it when you're commited.

 

 


 

To add,   Same hit, same or more time lapse, same knock out hit..  no penalty.

6 years earlier.

 

Paul Kariya returned to the game, scored a goal and was named the game's first star. Stevens didn't receive a penalty nor any disciplinary action by the league. At the time, many even put onus on Kariya as much as Stevens for not keeping his head up and being aware of Stevens' presence.

 

 

 


 

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11 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Tocchet has about 1 month to help them make that call... 

 

I'm still hopefull  lol

 

Though I guess technically we could still wait until the end of June.

Yip. I think it's a big reason why Tocchet was brought in when he was. He's a strong enough personality to reel in JT. I hope 

 

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8 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

What should we be hoping for:

 

The Islanders end up with the thirteenth (or lower) pick in this year's Draft which reverts to Vancouver or

 

The Islanders end up with the twelfth (or higher) pick in this year's Draft, keep it, and we get their first rounder in 2024?

 

 

I’m hearing more and more speculation that The Islanders will be worse next year than this year..  and Lou possibly losing his job.

 

personally I’m good either way.. let the cards fall.

But between Boeser, Myers, Schenn, and now rumours of Demko,.  I think there is another 1st rounder this year or next.

 

Hope we can lose enough cap to bring in a powerful  D man.

 

I do like D man Pettersen,  plays a man’s game, I’d like to see him with Abby at the end of season or next full time.

Jake Livingstone is another that would be good to sign for free.

and Aidan Macdonagh is another prospect we hope to sign.

 

 

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5 hours ago, hammertime said:

Love how if this trade was in the proposals section it would have been panned so hard but come in here and most everyone is rainbows and tiddlywinks 

When there's years of stupid trade proposals, there's a reasonable amount of knee jerk reactions where some proposals don't get a fair shake.

 

I think the best way to summarize this trade though was it was palatable under the circumstances.  Not great, just palatable.  Doing nothing or signing Bo to another Miller contract would have not been palatable.

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15 minutes ago, UnkNuk said:

What should we be hoping for:

 

The Islanders end up with the thirteenth (or lower) pick in this year's Draft which reverts to Vancouver or

 

The Islanders end up with the twelfth (or higher) pick in this year's Draft, keep it, and we get their first rounder in 2024?

 

 

I'd be happy if the islanders just miss the playoffs and we draft 13th (or maybe they give us #10 or 11). It's a deep draft and a pick like 13 is like a #7 next year.

 

That being said I wouldn't mind betting against the islander next year.

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3 minutes ago, rekker said:

Yip. I think it's a big reason why Tocchet was brought in when he was. He's a strong enough personality to reel in JT. I hope 

 

I'm hoping he's got a strong enough personality to help management decide to move him :lol:

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JT is not going any where.

 

They like his drive and want that as a template for the younger core,  it’s already rubbed off on to Hogz Podz Aman Petey Kuz .

Theyll trade J T in 3 seasons IF they have to.

 

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15 minutes ago, SilentSam said:


 

To add,   Same hit, same or more time lapse, same knock out hit..  no penalty.

6 years earlier.

 

Paul Kariya returned to the game, scored a goal and was named the game's first star. Stevens didn't receive a penalty nor any disciplinary action by the league. At the time, many even put onus on Kariya as much as Stevens for not keeping his head up and being aware of Stevens' presence.

 

 

 


 

different time, diiferent rules. both would be suspensions today... late hit and head was the principle point of contact.

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18 minutes ago, SilentSam said:


 

To add,   Same hit, same or more time lapse, same knock out hit..  no penalty.

6 years earlier.

 

Paul Kariya returned to the game, scored a goal and was named the game's first star. Stevens didn't receive a penalty nor any disciplinary action by the league. At the time, many even put onus on Kariya as much as Stevens for not keeping his head up and being aware of Stevens' presence.

 

 

 


 

It’s crazy he has 0 recollection of that whole game. Can barely even remember playing in the series. What a legend.

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31 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

It’s crazy to think trading Horvat, Boeser, and Myers is gonna fix things.

 

Like the issues with this team runs deeper than just their play on the ice. And I would say those players are all the nice guys on the team. 


What if we go into next season and we hear about the same rifts and divided room as this season? Then what?

 

I just don’t see any way you don’t trade Miller. You can’t go half way with this. If he’s on the team next season and being pouty or “the alpha dog” in the locker room it’s too late to trade him anywhere. All of a sudden he has all the control with his NTC and we’re stuck making a bad deal.

 

Its too big of risk to not completely tear the leadership group down. Especially if you want Pettersson to be the next captain. As long as Miller is here he will be the leader. And look where that got us this season…

 

 

Agree.  Miller is the priority.  But trading Boeser and eventually Myers would do wonders.  First, they could get some draft picks.  Second, if they could clear space, they could weaponize that for more picks.

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6 minutes ago, coryberg said:

I'd be happy if the islanders just miss the playoffs and we draft 13th (or maybe they give us #10 or 11). It's a deep draft and a pick like 13 is like a #7 next year.

 

That being said I wouldn't mind betting against the islander next year.

I just looked at the standings.   I didn't realize the Islanders were actually lurking around the 13 spot.

 

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If these were the final standings with no changes in the Lottery, the Canucks would have the 6 and 14 picks in the Draft.

 

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Just now, Bad_BOI_pete said:

different time, diiferent rules. both would be suspensions today... late hit and head was the principle point of contact.

No Kariya and Horton were chest / ribs.

Hesds and necks collapsed onto shoulder.

 

Both heads smashed the ice.

 

The ownership has to go to the puck carrier who skates with his head down watching the puck come off his stick only to watch it go where he sent it.

 

Teaching the game is supposed to be by handling and passing with your head and eyes up , using only your pereferal vision to see the puck.

 

Why not just take physical contact out if you can’t line up a hit and commit yourself to it.

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