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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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Sounds like they're talking about a contract extension which would be well over 8M, maybe in the 8.5M range, and we offered him 7.5M. Would be a shame if he wouldn't take a 1M hometown discount to stay a Canuck. I doubt any team would be stupid enough now to offer him 9M but Lou would be the best guy to do it so we'll see...

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3 hours ago, Bad_BOI_pete said:

so i guess i will call you blind... kariyas head snaps back before his body moves.... and the rome explanation LOL you are grasping at straws his sweater may have dusted his shoulder... rome definitely hit this mans head.... you are just like many people on this forum who cannot be proven wrong... enjoy being "Right"

Head contact isn't illegal when hitting into the body. It simply becomes incidental to delivering a full body check. Targetting the head, without hitting into the body, is illegal. Rome's hit would have been perfectly legal had it been timely. The Karya hit was almost 7 years before there was a head contact rule leaving head contact irrelevant to the play. But even today it would be a legal hit as it was into the body. Rome was suspended for interference not illegal head contact. Both hits were into the body making head contact incidental to delivering a full body check. Leaving only one question in both cases - was the hit late.

 

There are two questions in illegal head contact. First - was the head the priciple point of contact. Second - was it a hit into the body (full body check). If the answer to both is yes it's a legal body check according to the rules. It's only illegal if the answers are yes to the first and no to the second.

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1 hour ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Sounds like they're talking about a contract extension which would be well over 8M, maybe in the 8.5M range, and we offered him 7.5M. Would be a shame if he wouldn't take a 1M hometown discount to stay a Canuck. I doubt any team would be stupid enough now to offer him 9M but Lou would be the best guy to do it so we'll see...

I think Kadri thought he would get more offers and higher offers than he did. Maybe Bo is thinking bird in hand. Easy to say that he would want to go to a CUP contender but how many teams have that kind of CAP space? 

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6 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:

If they move Demko too keeping Miller makes zero sense. 

Moving Dem would be the dumbest thing ever. We still have 3 more years at a great Cap hit for a top 5 young goalie (when healthy). This team can potentially turn things around and be very competitive within the next couple years. If not, then trade him on his final year. 

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1 hour ago, grandmaster said:

Moving Dem would be the dumbest thing ever. We still have 3 more years at a great Cap hit for a top 5 young goalie (when healthy). This team can potentially turn things around and be very competitive within the next couple years. If not, then trade him on his final year. 

He may want out. But even if he does, he has to get healthy and start playing better. He's worth pennies on the dollar right now. 

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6 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

 we win either way. If we don't get their first in 2023, we get an unprotected first in 2024. I checked the Islander's roster, and they have a core that's aging, and they're not getting younger next season. There's a good chance that they could miss out the playoffs by quite a bit next season. And if not, and they have a really good year, then we have another pick from another organization, and the more picks we have, the better our odds of finding a gem and a player that can contribute to the Canucks. 

 

Nelson Bailey and Lee is not really part of their “core” anymore.. it’s barzal wahlstrom Horvat if they can figure out how to re sign him. Dobson pulock sorokin. If they can add a winger or 2 in the free agency they’ll be decent. The protected pick is a joke.. the absolute worse case scenario is islander wins the lottery to move up 10 spots draft a great prospect.. then go on to have a great season next year and we end up with a mid late 20s pick. It would be a very fitting Canucks scenario. 

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7 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

 we win either way. If we don't get their first in 2023, we get an unprotected first in 2024. I checked the Islander's roster, and they have a core that's aging, and they're not getting younger next season. There's a good chance that they could miss out the playoffs by quite a bit next season. And if not, and they have a really good year, then we have another pick from another organization, and the more picks we have, the better our odds of finding a gem and a player that can contribute to the Canucks. 

 

I get the logic for trying to predict this but it's a pretty bad cdc fallacy actually. Similar to cdc picking the Canucks to win the division, Vegas to nose dive, Seattle to finish last in the division, etc. Hoping other teams just fall off the face of the earth when we want them too is just setting us up to fail. Regardless of whether Bo signs they will have cap space, and after this trade Lou is not just going to fade away and rebuild. They will be adding players to the roster and going for it. Also, one year older it's not like all of them suddenly just transform into geriatrics or anything so while it is possible it's not likely.

 

Having said that, a top 20, hopefully top 16 pick this year or a chance at similar or better next year is pretty damn good either way. I really hope it's this year though. Unfortunately with JB giving away all our picks the pipeline needs players as soon as possible so we can get Petey and the new core up to speed as soon as possible.

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4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Sounds like they're talking about a contract extension which would be well over 8M, maybe in the 8.5M range, and we offered him 7.5M. Would be a shame if he wouldn't take a 1M hometown discount to stay a Canuck. I doubt any team would be stupid enough now to offer him 9M but Lou would be the best guy to do it so we'll see...

Where did you hear it was $7.5 offered to Bo??

 

Last I read, it was mid 6s.

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7 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

I agree, doubt they're picking 12th overall or higher. That being said...Florida holds that spot and that's just 1 point difference in the standings. No matter where NYI finish, the draft lottery could change things a fair bit too. Surely with Bo and his scoring they'll jump up a fair bit (they don't even have a PPG player and most teams have 2), but you never know. Certainly a risky pick to be throwing around given their situation, this was a ballsy gamble by Lou, let's see if it pays off or not.

 

I'd almost prefer the pick this year - we get to rebuild quickly rather than drag it out.

Agreed 

Lou looks desperate to be buying when his team is on the outside looking in and aging. 

Definitely running out of runway there in NY. That's why you should not give GMs who are on their last legs approval for trades. They are like a kid in a candy store with a pocket full of change. They need instant gratification. 

I too would prefer this year's pick. 

In a deep draft, get as many balls in the lotto as possible instead of spreading out your picks between 2 years. 

The chances of us hitting on 1 if not more goes up the more we pick. 

This also speeds up the "retool" as we don't waste a year of development 

 

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Woke up again this morning, taking me a minute to realize that this trade actually happened. Mixed emotions, but mostly excitement that things are finally happening to this sad team. Maybe this management group is serious. They must be if they traded the longest tenured Canuck and captain.

 

IMO, trading Demko could be a mistake. Who is supposed to tend the net? Martin is terrible and Delia is a 3rd string goalie. Losing every game for a high Draft pick won't help this young team, could do more damage. Unless, they trade Demko and there's another goalie coming back.

 

 

 

 

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If management really wanted Bo, we would have found a way to sign him. He’ll be overpaid, and we have enough overpaid players already. 
The guy doesn’t even know if he’s in Disneyland or Disney World right now. He’ll probably go check in with the New York Rangers after the all star break, thinking that’s where he’s supposed to be.

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Major overcorrection by this management team after they royally f**ked up last offseason and created this mess of a team. Only time will tell if they know wtf they are doing, they definitely don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

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