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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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3 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Barzal's more of a disher than a shooter, could work effectively 

In Vancouver he was relied on a lot, but usually playing 2nd fiddle offensively to Petey’s line. 
 

If Horvat gets used more elusively offensively I expect offensive production to stay high. Especially if he plays with good talent. 
 

All depends on how a team uses him.

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7 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Why can't you admit Miller is one of the mistakes? 

Miller is not A mistake,  they all make mistakes,. I’ve never said he dosent make mistakes , Bo made mistakes ..  the flybys and failure to engage physically for teamates is horrible actually, for a Captain.

Boeser can’t skate 

 

Easy to say oh, we can hire a $10 dollar “face puncher” for that,   But then Bo should pay that Face Puncher for doing what a Captain should do,.

and in the very least that is show emotion of a Leader a Captain , a combatant.

 

nice , dosent cut it .   It’s good for charity.

 

I hope Miller gets the Captaincy, I’ve openly said that before..     why?

because the one player people are thinking should get it now isn’t ready for it yet..

and that means putting up with all the BS in this city from journalism trying to pull this team down.

JT can handle it ,  he does well speaking, non cliche-ique,  …

 

it will destroy EP to get the Captaincy at this time in Vancouver..  his time will come,.   IF he stays here.

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If the Canucks don’t screw it up they have a chance to draft a franchise player in this draft.  Just stay the course.  Who the Canucks draft in this years draft will define this regime for years.  They have a good chance of getting a really good Right handed defenceman in the 14-16 range provided the Islanders stay the course or get better slightly.  Horvat can only make the Islanders a better team it wouldn’t surprise me if our pick falls into the 20s.  But this draft is Very deep and there will be a lot of choices still for a 2nd line 2 way Centre.  

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Just now, Coconuts said:

As previously mentioned, over the span of their careers they really aren't 

 

You also have to consider the context, as I was mentioning, Miller has received favourable linemates, icetime, and deployment since arriving in Vancouver whereas Horvat historically played with subpar linemates at even strength 

 

Miller has spent most of his time in Vancouver playing with legit top six linemates, that was not the case for Horvat

 

I'm not convinced the gap between their offensive talent is as broad as some folks would make it out to be, they were simply given different opportunities 

 

I've also argued that Miller doesn't hit 99 points last season without Horvat playing behind him and doing his thing, having Horvat around to eat up more of the defensive zone starts, take the big faceoffs, ect freed up Miller to play a primarily offensive role 

 

We'll see how Horvat does if he's given two legit top six linemates and we'll see how Miller performs offensively if tasked with more of a two-way role in the absence of Horvat 

I say that Miller was cheap getting 5,2 mill being a ppg player. The rest is in the pudding.

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4 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

Playmaking winger, powerforward center that wins faceoffs. Seems a bit greedy loading up one line. Unless Brock Nelson can QB his own line. Feel like Horvat has proven he can do that better than just about anyone. Lol. With that said, I have no clue if Brock Nelson and Barzal have played together at all this season. Maybe they had always been on separate lines. Will definitely be interesting to see how they all gel together.

Barzal hasn’t really been taking draws and has played the wing a lot this year already. 
 

He’s below 40% on faceoffs and is not top 3 in faceoffs taken on the Islanders. 
 

Brock Nelson and Barzal haven’t really played together. Nelson is usually paired with Lee. 

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Just now, Timråfan said:

Recent point has value if its consistent.

Horvat hasn’t been at a consistent high level.

I guess you never looked closely at the stat sheets I provided. If you look at millers prior 3 seasons and Horvats as well you would have recognized who’s trajectory was consistently drawing upward. Guess what it wasn’t miller. By recent I mean starting at horvats shortened 56 game COVID season with 19 goals to that point and surely would have amassed 10 to 15 more if 26 more games were played. Horvat was trending upward millers same recent time frame to so much. 

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9 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

In Vancouver he was relied on a lot, but usually playing 2nd fiddle offensively to Petey’s line. 
 

If Horvat gets used more elusively offensively I expect offensive production to stay high. Especially if he plays with good talent. 
 

All depends on how a team uses him.

Bo being a shoot first center could actually work favourably if they allow Barzal to play more of a pure distributor role from the wing, Horvat is more effective in the dot than Barzal anyway 

 

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out 

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18 minutes ago, chon derry said:

I’ll cut no slack for horvat. At all,  simply because of the term demand. And I’d wager out of the 2 players taking LESS term miller would likely be the one Signing for less term. But I’ll say it again I don’t like these long term contracts period. But  in rutherfords defense he never actually witnessed how the Erickkson deal played out. But he went down the same path. I also think not being able to deal miller had some bearing on horvat being dealt. Meaning he didn’t want to make the same mistake twice. 

I agree,  I don’t think it’s right to use a long term contract as a threat to go to UFA.

… and  I think we can both agree , JT is NOT LE.   Having him here playing protectively and unengaged, looking only to retire healthy and in one piece was a slap in face to all of us.

Theft.

 

The truth is the Cap is not allowing teams to grow properly.. another topic entirely pointing fingers back to Bettman and having Teams below the productivity line for too long in markets are poor, when markets exist that are better.   Bettman likes the power he is authorized with,.   Owners and Managers should have more input.

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2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Barzal hasn’t really been taking draws and has played the wing a lot this year already. 
 

He’s below 40% on faceoffs and is not top 3 in faceoffs taken on the Islanders. 
 

Brock Nelson and Barzal haven’t really played together. Nelson is usually paired with Lee. 

Yeah Barzal is where Petey was last year. He has already taken more faceoffs this year than last year. His percentage wasn't bad, it just helped having Miller take the weight off. Petey has come along nicely though and has proven to be a true center. Barzal has not made that adjustment. Makes me a little sad that he hasn't grown much in the faceoff dot. But I assume he still plays down the middle, he just has someone take faceoffs for him.

 

I wonder if Horvat can play more on the wing but take Barzal's faceoffs. Cause he was a true center here. Barzal is gonna want the puck down center ice and be the primary puck handler. To maximize that speed and playmaking ability. For sure gonna be keeping an eye on the Isles for the rest of the season.

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

I agree,  I don’t think it’s right to use a long term contract as a threat to go to UFA.

… and  I think we can both agree , JT is NOT LE.   Having him here playing protectively and unengaged, looking only to retire healthy and in one piece was a slap in face to all of us.

Theft.

 

The truth is the Cap is not allowing teams to grow properly.. another topic entirely pointing fingers back to Bettman and having Teams below the productivity line for too long in markets are poor, when markets exist that are better.   Bettman likes the power he is authorized with,.   Owners and Managers should have more input.

Anyone see that article on most net NHL earnings. I believe it went Jagr, Ovie and then Bettman. Somewhere in the two hindered million range for Bettman. 

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

I agree,  I don’t think it’s right to use a long term contract as a threat to go to UFA.

… and  I think we can both agree , JT is NOT LE.   Having him here playing protectively and unengaged, looking only to retire healthy and in one piece was a slap in face to all of us.

Theft.

 

The truth is the Cap is not allowing teams to grow properly.. another topic entirely pointing fingers back to Bettman and having Teams below the productivity line for too long in markets are poor, when markets exist that are better.   Bettman likes the power he is authorized with,.   Owners and Managers should have more input.

I simply used the Erickson contract as an example of how it could go sideways  and sideways from the money end and term end of things. And so from that what other means does a gm have at their disposal  other than recent point totals and recent trajectory. It’s not a sure bet when relying on past performance to it translating into future expectation. 

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If Bo keeps the Islanders the same and we get #13.  Best option.  Still a very deep draft with the potential of drafting a star player. 
 

If the Islanders find where second wind and make a serge and we end up picking in the 20s we keep going for more defensive depth.  
 

The Canucks pick will be extremely important to get right.  Cristall, Zack Benson Will Smith all described as potential franchise players, whoever it is the pick should be well vetted.  

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1 minute ago, Pure961089 said:

If Bo keeps the Islanders the same and we get #13.  Best option.  Still a very deep draft with the potential of drafting a star player. 
 

If the Islanders find where second wind and make a serge and we end up picking in the 20s we keep going for more defensive depth.  
 

The Canucks pick will be extremely important to get right.  Cristall, Zack Benson Will Smith all described as potential franchise players, whoever it is the pick should be well vetted.  

If NYI some how tanks a bit and our pick becomes 2024, I wouldn't hate it.  I think they'll be worse next year.

 

It would be some jolly good fun to get a top 5 pick out of this!  

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3 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

If Bo keeps the Islanders the same and we get #13.  Best option.  Still a very deep draft with the potential of drafting a star player. 
 

If the Islanders find where second wind and make a serge and we end up picking in the 20s we keep going for more defensive depth.  
 

The Canucks pick will be extremely important to get right.  Cristall, Zack Benson Will Smith all described as potential franchise players, whoever it is the pick should be well vetted.  

Bo didn’t help us much, even though he as having a career year.  Don’t see him helping the Islanders much either.  Bo is not very good defensively.  He’s going to be expected to play without the puck first. His numbers are going to take a serious nosedive.  Islanders will finish bottom 12.  Then next year they will finish bottom five. We are getting their 2024 top five pick.  Thanks Bo!

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8 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

 

Anyone else sense his regret ?

 

I think Pat Morris overplayed, and underrated what was possibly (reported) 7.5 x 7 from the Canucks.

I do not think he is going to do much better than that,  but happy for him to have his decisions.

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

Anyone else sense his regret ?

 

I think Pat Morris overplayed, and underrated what was possibly (reported) 7.5 x 7 from the Canucks.

I do not think he is going to do much better than that,  but happy for him to have his decisions.

I mean he can always circle back in the summer. :bigblush:

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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Bo didn’t help us much, even though he as having a career year.  Don’t see him helping the Islanders much either.  Bo is not very good defensively.  He’s going to be expected to play without the puck first. His numbers are going to take a serious nosedive.  Islanders will finish bottom 12.  Then next year they will finish bottom five. We are getting their 2024 top five pick.  Thanks Bo!

He really won't help them much if he signs in Seattle this summer!

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Just now, SilentSam said:

Anyone else sense his regret ?

 

I think Pat Morris overplayed, and underrated what was possibly (reported) 7.5 x 7 from the Canucks.

I do not think he is going to do much better than that,  but happy for him to have his decisions.

Yup.  Likely we offered Bo the same money as Miller - 56 million.  His choice to turn that down.  He knew the club had to trade him if he wasn’t signed. 

I just wish we would have let him know there was a trade we were going to take, but give him the last chance to sign with us. 

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