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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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4 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Anyone else sense his regret ?

 

I think Pat Morris overplayed, and underrated what was possibly (reported) 7.5 x 7 from the Canucks.

I do not think he is going to do much better than that,  but happy for him to have his decisions.

Definitely have that sense. I do wonder if Bo actually turned it down or if PM did - I would think he has to take every offer to the client, tho. 

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8 minutes ago, chon derry said:

I simply used the Erickson contract as an example of how it could go sideways  and sideways from the money end and term end of things. And so from that what other means does a gm have at their disposal  other than recent point totals and recent trajectory. It’s not a sure bet when relying on past performance to it translating into future expectation. 

In LE ‘s case ,  there was an injury sheet that should have been scrutinized..

head injuries .. he took some wick-ed hits.

Benning , I think was feeling a bit “left out” of UFA signings when he had the money..

patience would have paid off.

Same with Ferland..  

 

I like the patience this Management group has,  and if this year has been slightly sacrificed for that , so be it.

It might be why we haven’t seen the Supro- Gusto D man we dream about,.  Yet.

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23 minutes ago, chon derry said:

I guess you never looked closely at the stat sheets I provided. If you look at millers prior 3 seasons and Horvats as well you would have recognized who’s trajectory was consistently drawing upward. Guess what it wasn’t miller. By recent I mean starting at horvats shortened 56 game COVID season with 19 goals to that point and surely would have amassed 10 to 15 more if 26 more games were played. Horvat was trending upward millers same recent time frame to so much. 

Why focus on goals only? 
Horvat has been a 0,75ppg a lot of his seasons and that was what managemant wanted to pay him for.

Not his ppg in a contract year.

 

Why do we even discuss this? It’s so uninteresting.

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4 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

I mean he can always circle back in the summer. :bigblush:

So very true 24k ,    :) 

but I don’t know what money would be available for him..  perhaps even less than was reported.

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6 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

If NYI some how tanks a bit and our pick becomes 2024, I wouldn't hate it.  I think they'll be worse next year.

 

It would be some jolly good fun to get a top 5 pick out of this!  

We’re already going to get a top 5, 6 at worst.   Also a draft like this is very rare, a mid 1st round pick in this years draft is like the equivalent of a 1st overall pick in many other previous drafts.  With the void at centre the Canucks have the opportunity and the need to get a franchise centre.  3-6 range.  It’s clear this is what the Canucks are shooting for and I hope they get their guy.

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Just now, Timråfan said:

Why focus on goals only? 
Horvat has been a 0,75ppg a lot of his seasons and that was what managemant wanted to pay him for.

Not his ppg in a contract year.

 

Why do we even discuss this? It’s so uninteresting.

I want your medication ..  it rocks !

 

I hope you’re keeping an eye on D Man Petey for me ?   Will he be here/ Abby next season?

 

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

In LE ‘s case ,  there was an injury sheet that should have been scrutinized..

head injuries .. he took some wick-ed hits.

Benning , I think was feeling a bit “left out” of UFA signings when he had the money..

patience would have paid off.

Same with Ferland..  

 

I like the patience this Management group has,  and if this year has been slightly sacrificed for that , so be it.

It might be why we haven’t seen the Supro- Gusto D man we dream about,.  Yet.

Well the Erickson example might not have been good but what about Myers?  It seems the only way they attracted quality players was to attach term. And if jr has damaged the Canucks reputation,as rumoured then their reclamation path seems like it could be the only way. Short of relying on draft. 

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1 minute ago, Pure961089 said:

We’re already going to get a top 5, 6 at worst.   Also a draft like this is very rare, a mid 1st round pick in this years draft is like the equivalent of a 1st overall pick in many other previous drafts.  With the void at centre the Canucks have the opportunity and the need to get a franchise centre.  3-6 range.  It’s clear this is what the Canucks are shooting for and I hope they get their guy.

Could be could be.  I think equivalent of a 1st overall is pushing it a bit but I hear you.  I'm pretty happy with the whole 1st round pick situation in general is what I am getting at.

Wouldn't mind picking up another one honestly!

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5 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Definitely have that sense. I do wonder if Bo actually turned it down or if PM did - I would think he has to take every offer to the client, tho. 

It may not even be true,.   But what will be interesting to see is where he plays next season , and how much?

 

Personally I was always thinking 7.5 would  keep him and 7. would be a home discount .

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4 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Why focus on goals only? 
Horvat has been a 0,75ppg a lot of his seasons and that was what managemant wanted to pay him for.

Not his ppg in a contract year.

 

Why do we even discuss this? It’s so uninteresting.

I was merely using it as an example of how contracts are formulated. And how it all has relation to both millers and Horvats contractual situation. But for the third time I’m not in the long term contract corner anyway. Cheers. 

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11 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I can definitely see Bo signing in Seattle.  Then he’s close to his wife and kids here. 

First @Timråfan,  now you old fur ball,. 
are you guys seeing the same Doctor?.

your both making toooo much sense in the last 48 hrs ?!? 

.  Culture Changes do that you know ;) ?

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2 minutes ago, Baratheon said:

Could be could be.  I think equivalent of a 1st overall is pushing it a bit but I hear you.  I'm pretty happy with the whole 1st round pick situation in general is what I am getting at.

Wouldn't mind picking up another one honestly!

We very likely will be picking top 8 this draft.  And then have a top 5 (from the Islanders) and a top 10 (from ourselves) in 2024.  That three very high picks and n the next two drafts.  Those picks will shape the future.  If they hit, then we be one a great team.  

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16 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

according to kevin weekes i guess could take with a grain of salt but he said he was "told" by other NHL clubs that were interested in horvat the canucks didn't shop the islander offer around.. i mean he could easily say he have heard from others rather than said he was directly told. like i'm sure they know what other teams have offered but the fact they didn't try to bargain or negotiate with other teams to see if there's better offers or if any team could match or out bid them tells me they are impatient. or is JR scared of lou pulling the deal like they did last year at the draft lol.

A lot of speculation but not a lot of meat on that bone.  I think it's easy for us to sit in armchairs and complain like half the world complains about politics, but there's so much that happens outside of the public eye that we have to give a little faith that someone actually made it into the office and made a few calls.  

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45 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Miller is not A mistake,  they all make mistakes,. I’ve never said he dosent make mistakes , Bo made mistakes ..  the flybys and failure to engage physically for teamates is horrible actually, for a Captain.

Boeser can’t skate 

 

Easy to say oh, we can hire a $10 dollar “face puncher” for that,   But then Bo should pay that Face Puncher for doing what a Captain should do,.

and in the very least that is show emotion of a Leader a Captain , a combatant.

 

nice , dosent cut it .   It’s good for charity.

 

I hope Miller gets the Captaincy, I’ve openly said that before..     why?

because the one player people are thinking should get it now isn’t ready for it yet..

and that means putting up with all the BS in this city from journalism trying to pull this team down.

JT can handle it ,  he does well speaking, non cliche-ique,  …

 

it will destroy EP to get the Captaincy at this time in Vancouver..  his time will come,.   IF he stays here.

Sorry has nothing to do with nice has everything to do with floating, moping and now no longer fitting the timeline and being overpaid especially on the back half of the deal. Makes zero sense and signing him to term was a mistake. 

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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We very likely will be picking top 8 this draft.  And then have a top 5 (from the Islanders) and a top 10 (from ourselves) in 2024.  That three very high picks and n the next two drafts.  Those picks will shape the future.  If they hit, then we be one a great team.  

I like the shotgun approach!  Check out the LA Kings draft history just as an example.  For every Doughty and Kopitar there is a Thomas Hickey and Colten Teubert.  They didn't nail all their draft picks but they picked high and often.   IT HELPS!! lol 

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6 minutes ago, chon derry said:

Well the Erickson example might not have been good but what about Myers?  It seems the only way they attracted quality players was to attach term. And if jr has damaged the Canucks reputation,as rumoured then their reclamation path seems like it could be the only way. Short of relying on draft. 

I think they saw an upside to Myers age, and bringing him closer to home ?

 

.. but let’s not forget who he’s matched up against every night almost all by himself.

He is a lightweight of a Big Man,. I just think he’s been lacking back up.

 

My thoughts on D are always to pair a higher skilled play with a bigger more physical one..

but no compromise to skating abilities.

I typically like the Zadorov, Bogosian, Olyisiak types..  which is why I like/ liked watching Tryamkin so much ;) 

 

Simplify it as :

 

Hughes Schenn

OEL Zadorov 

Bear Bogosian.   

 

trust I’m using this ^^,

to show MY hypothesis only.

It takes Heavy minutes off of only 1 or 2 heavy D men..   it’s a game inside itself,  those push and grind match ups are brutal. And it’s as big , or a bigger part of the finesse played.

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11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Sorry has nothing to do with nice has everything to do with floating, moping and now no longer fitting the timeline and being overpaid especially on the back half of the deal. Makes zero sense and signing him to term was a mistake. 

Wrong

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

I think they saw an upside to Myers age, and bringing him closer to home ?

 

.. but let’s not forget who he’s matched up against every night almost all by himself.

He is a lightweight of a Big Man,. I just think he’s been lacking back up.

 

My thoughts on D are always to pair a higher skilled play with a bigger more physical one..

but no compromise to skating abilities.

I typically like the Zadorov, Bogosian, Olyisiak types..  which is why I like/ liked watching Tryamkin so much ;) 

 

Simplify it as :

 

Hughes Schenn

OEL Zadorov 

Bear Bogosian.   

 

trust I’m using this ^^,

to show MY hypothesis only.

It takes Heavy minutes off of only 1 or 2 heavy D men..   it’s a game inside itself,  those push and grind match ups are brutal. And it’s as big , or a bigger part of the finesse played.

I read about elder reevaluating his game focusing more on the stay at home side of his game and not pinching. And how it could help OELs game. I think it was John Shannon talking about this. And how it could apply to both Myers and OEL. But both guys seem to be positionally challenged at times. Hopefully foote can help

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