Gawdzukes Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: Is he playing in San Jose tomorrow night? (Feb3) I'll be checking the box score Why not watch. I think you can watch pretty cheap. Anyone ... I'd be interested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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canuck73_3 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, SilentSam said: .. and “ they’ll never trade Bo either” , right? Lol Funny, I never said they’d never trade Bo. Keep reaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 14 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: The dream... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: If he's as ballsy as I think he is it could be a bit of both. If the Isles can heat up he might just let them go for it, trying to sell Bo on a team that could be an improved product with him in the fold. If they stumble he could simply retain 50% of Bo's deal could he not? On top of what we're retaining? I haven't seen too many Isles fans torn up about Beauvillier, some have argued he was a camp dump of sorts, they're mostly upset about Raty and the 1st. But if Lou turns around and sells Bo at a lower cost they could arguably bring back a better return than we did, particularly if Bo keeps scoring. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. Isn't that EA sports or does this happen in real life and I'm caught in a time warp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Pure961089 said: The last time the Canucks were in a position like this was 2015. When we drafted Virtanen and McCann. Let’s hope we draft better this time. Kinda freakin’ out here because Harvey hasn’t really given me a lot of confidence in his drafting ability. Lekkerimaki has been a disaster. Let’s be honest. So there’s cause to be concerned. Hate to say it but this is what I worry about most. Great, we've got a couple of solid 1st round picks, but we don't have a great drafting history and if you look at Allvin, he's not the best either. Lekkerimaki is much of a muchness, too soon to see what he really is, but the players around him and after him are doing marginally better. Still, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and we should wait a couple of years. Allvin's drafting record in Pittsburgh wasn't great but he rarely had such high picks to work with. We have absolutely blown our 1st rounders in the past but also gotten a couple of gems, but then again the conversion rate for top-10 picks should be a bit higher than what we've had so far. Petey is an absolute star and JB pulled that one out of his back side. Hughes the same. In a re-draft of their drafts, they probably move up 2-3 spots which is a lot considering. Then there's Virtanen, Juolevi and now Podkolzin who's having a bumpy development, prior to that Gaunce and Jensen. I'll highlight Podkolzin - another one we get excited about a big, strong, physical winger and he's struggling now. Meanwhile Boldy is a beast in Minnesota and Cole Caufield is doing pretty well too and they were taken just a couple of picks after him. The common theme I saw with these guys, dating back to Nick Jensen, is that we kept drafting size and toughness over skill. The two times we draft smaller/skinnier skilled guys, it pays off (Petey and Hughes). I hope we don't obsess with physicality anymore with Allvin - so far we haven't, and we've targetted more skilled guys, but we can't be wasting top picks like this almost every single season. Our conversion rate of top-10 picks into full time NHLers let alone stars is bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 12 hours ago, .Naslund said: JT miller has essentially been a PPG player for as long as he’s been a Canuck. If they paid him to the level everyone is making it out to be JT would be on a 9.5-10million dollar contract. We paid him 8, which is good for a PPG guy. This is Horvats first PPG season and he’s started to slow down already minus the four assist game vs the worst team in the NHL (CBJ) mid seven for Horvat is definitely paying him for a career year and was a fair offer. He’s a mid to high six million a year player. I get that, but there's much more to the game than scoring points (and specifically for JT, racking up assists). Offensively it's clear Bo is the better goal scorer and he's really broken out now. Call it a career year or maybe he's just entering his prime and this is how he's going to be the next few years. We paid JT when he was around Bo's age coming into his prime. When it comes to pure center work, Bo is far better. JT doesn't take faceoffs anywhere near as often or as well as Bo. JT's been so bad that he's been converted to wing. It'll be juicy to see how he fares now his protector Bo is gone and Miller has to play center again. Dare I say we'll see Tocchet just give up and plop him on Petey's wing from time to time and the bottom-9 will struggle. Defensively is the big issue for me. Players don't get paid for their defensive play. Tanev is one of the best in the business and gets peanuts compared to offensive guys. Myers and OEL are dreadful defensively, yet because of a couple of 30-40 point seasons they're making 13M. Bo is not a super solid defensive center but he holds his own ground and can matchup against top players. He has done a great job against McDavid or Draisaitl even this season at times. Then you look at Miller. IMO one of the worst forwards defensively in the NHL and that's more than just the eye-test, look at his advanced stats and shredded +/-. He was solid defensively when he was traded from Tampa (who knows, must have been good solid coaching over there which lingered for a season) and then after playing under Green, you could see Green would just let Petey, Hughes and Miller free-style everywhere on the ice. You could see bad defensive plays creak into his game like stupid drop passes at the blueline or blind passes - high risk, low reward. He got a lot of nice assists this way, but more often than not it lead to breakaways against us. Of course when Demko was in his prime, these were covered up, but these last 24 months we've really seen them hurt the team. I don't make the rules, but sloppy defensive play like this should subtract a couple of millions worth off your salary or cap hit, but it doesn't, because if you play a risky defensive game you usually produce more offence, and that offence is what gets paid. Miller as a PPG player the last 3-4 years is great, but he doesn't bring anywhere near as much to the team as Bo did. Last year Miller was a super-star, no question about it, but his sloppy defence got covered up, and after a contract year he gets paid (unlike Bo) when he really didn't have to. 8M for a PPG scorer is pretty good, but when you consider he's been sheltered next to Petey (last year) or Bo (this year), doesn't take faceoffs and leaks goals all over the ice, it's fair. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, SilentSam said: an interesting, or outstanding stat to note is that in 12 nhl games , he has taken 67 face offs , and has a 52% win average . that is impressive. Is their any importance regarding face offs that he shifts from left to right handling of the stick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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J-23 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 hours ago, mll said: I see pain and regret in his eyes. Need to setup a plan already to bring him back. Intentionally play like crap on the Isles so they miss the Playoffs and are forced to trade Bo as a rental to a contender at a low price. Isles lose the trade. Bo gets to enjoy a Playoff run this year. During that time Nucks tank, win the lottery, draft Bedard and Reinbacher. Bo goes to UFA and signs with Nucks at a discount cause we guarantee Bedard as his linemate. Stanley Cups. Done. Easy. Kuz - Pettersson - Miller Bedard - Horvat - Mikh Hogz - Ratty - Podz Hughes - Reinbacher Demko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wai_lai416 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 hours ago, DeNiro said: See my post above. They’d have to play at a better clip than every team but Boston, New Jersey, and Carolina have this season. They ain’t making it. what are you talking about.. they literally only have to play at a better clip then florida who they are already doing and 1 of pittsburgh or washington.. buffalo will start the annual slide to a high pick soon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, Pure961089 said: The last time the Canucks were in a position like this was 2015. When we drafted Virtanen and McCann. Let’s hope we draft better this time. Kinda freakin’ out here because Harvey hasn’t really given me a lot of confidence in his drafting ability. Lekkerimaki has been a disaster. Let’s be honest. So there’s cause to be concerned. This is the deepest draft in several years. There is less of a guess now with Covid not interfering with games played by prospects. Picks should be easier in the top 10. They shouldn’t be able to screw that up. There are unfortunately no defenders ranked in the top 10. We need to focus on a defender with the Islander’s pick and hope that he doesn’t end up like OJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 For argument's sake to get a few people riled up, which is the better team: Miller + Raty + Beauvillier + 1st Or Horvat + Chytil + Lundqvist + 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 hours ago, SilentSam said: Lekkerimaki has been a disaster. Cannot agree. He is still very young and has had some hurdles to get over. Way too early to write a talent like Lekkerimaki off. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 36 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Cannot agree. He is still very young and has had some hurdles to get over. Way too early to write a talent like Lekkerimaki off. Players getting written off before the end of draft +1 now ridiculous. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Players getting written off before the end of draft +1 now ridiculous. Im hopeful Lekkermaki pans out. So far, Wht we've seen in our "busts" (Virtanen, Juolevi) is that they didn't excel in their draft +1. On the other hand, we've seen Petey and Hughes kill it in draft +1. What is the percentage of top draftpicks that had a poor draft +1 and then became stars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, J-23 said: I see pain and regret in his eyes. Need to setup a plan already to bring him back. Intentionally play like crap on the Isles so they miss the Playoffs and are forced to trade Bo as a rental to a contender at a low price. Isles lose the trade. Bo gets to enjoy a Playoff run this year. During that time Nucks tank, win the lottery, draft Bedard and Reinbacher. Bo goes to UFA and signs with Nucks at a discount cause we guarantee Bedard as his linemate. Stanley Cups. Done. Easy. Kuz - Pettersson - Miller Bedard - Horvat - Mikh Hogz - Ratty - Podz Hughes - Reinbacher Demko I agree with your first sentence. that is the look of a shell-shocked young man who really didn't expect to overplay his hand the way he did. a rude wakeup call and a rough life lesson, but honestly, it will be good for Bo to go and have to earn it in a new organization where he wasn't anointed king the day he was drafted. as for bringing him back? nope. the ship has sailed. the organization has already moved on, so he and canucks fans are going to have to do the same. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 8 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: Im hopeful Lekkermaki pans out. So far, Wht we've seen in our "busts" (Virtanen, Juolevi) is that they didn't excel in their draft +1. On the other hand, we've seen Petey and Hughes kill it in draft +1. What is the percentage of top draftpicks that had a poor draft +1 and then became stars? probably not all that different from the percentage of top draft picks that had great d+1s and went on to be stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -DLC- Posted February 3 Popular Post Share Posted February 3 Just saw this. I try to not be too soft (it's hockey after all) and take it all in stride, but...... I've always hated this part. Homer Deb loves her team and despite what's right or wrong in the moment, it stings. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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