jyu Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, coryberg said: Should be noted that the islanders pick is in the middle of the deepest draft ever and the Rangers pick was at the end of an average draft. Insane difference. Pretty much two second round picks or more of difference in value. You are absolutely right here. Rangers pick in 2022 was 30th overall I think. NYI's pick, let's say is 15th overall. Comparing the deep drafts of the past, say 2003 or 2015. 15th overall in 2015 gives you the right to select, Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Eriksson Ek, Boeser, Konecny. 15th overall in 2003 gives you the right to select Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Richards. 30th overall pick in an average draft, well there aren't many 30th overall picks that work out. The best of 15th overall pick: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl-draft/en/overall/15-overall-draft-picks-players-all-time-goals-leaders.html The best of 30th overall picks: https://www.quanthockey.com/nhl-draft/en/overall/30-overall-draft-picks-players-all-time-goals-leaders.html The point is not players picked at the exact 15th vs 30th positions but the pool of players and hence the chance of hitting on the pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
250Integra Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, jyu said: 2014 draft minus Virtanen was a gold mine for us. McCann (top 6 forward) Demko (#1G) Tryamkin (#4-6D) Forsling (Top 4D) If we picked Ehlers or Nylander and stayed patient and developed McCann and Forsling; and if we didn't play hardball with Tryamkin... 5 roster players. What it could have been... 2014: Ehlers*, McCann, Demko, Tryamkin, Forsling 2015: Boeser 2016: Tkachuk* -- trade his a$$ later for a haul 2017: Petey 2018: Hughes 2019: Podz and Hogs Unfortunately that's not really how it works. If we had drafted Ehlers and kept all the other players in the organization, chances are we aren't drafting those same players in the subsequent years. Likely different draft positions, needs, etc. Fun to think about though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, jyu said: Chytil doesn't play center? I haven't watched NYR lately but the last time I watched them, he was centering Kakko and Lafreniere... Maybe he is playing C this season, but I know that (up until now) the Ranger fans hated his game and wanted him traded. At that point, he was plying LW. 3 minutes ago, jyu said: And we could still trade Miller or we might not but it doesn't matter in the view of getting the retool going in the right direction as Horvat trade achieves much of what needed to be done. Now, if we can unload couple more contracts (Boeser and/or Garland) and/or wait until they expire (Myers, Pearson), we will be in a great situation cap wise with a pretty decent prospect pool, which will only get better after 2023 draft. If there's any truth around the Demko rumours, the 'retool' is looking more like a rebuild. If so, they should try to move Miller as well. Moving Boeser and Garland is imperative, even if they have to retain. I think Pears and Poolman will remain on LTIR for the remainder of their contracts, although Poolman's buy out is not bad. I would also like to see them place Mik and Pears on LTIR. That $8m could be utilized to apply a UFA cap dump in a trade. Very valuable piece considering the tight cap space out there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swimsWithDucks Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Maybe he is playing C this season, but I know that (up until now) the Ranger fans hated his game and wanted him traded. At that point, he was plying LW. If there's any truth around the Demko rumours, the 'retool' is looking more like a rebuild. If so, they should try to move Miller as well. Moving Boeser and Garland is imperative, even if they have to retain. I think Pears and Poolman will remain on LTIR for the remainder of their contracts, although Poolman's buy out is not bad. I would also like to see them place Mik and Pears on LTIR. That $8m could be utilized to apply a UFA cap dump in a trade. Very valuable piece considering the tight cap space out there. If they trade Demko then I will have new found respect for this management group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Maybe he is playing C this season, but I know that (up until now) the Ranger fans hated his game and wanted him traded. At that point, he was plying LW. If there's any truth around the Demko rumours, the 'retool' is looking more like a rebuild. If so, they should try to move Miller as well. Moving Boeser and Garland is imperative, even if they have to retain. I think Pears and Poolman will remain on LTIR for the remainder of their contracts, although Poolman's buy out is not bad. I would also like to see them place Mik and Pears on LTIR. That $8m could be utilized to apply a UFA cap dump in a trade. Very valuable piece considering the tight cap space out there. Demko rumor doesn't make much sense to me. Who is going to pay up for a goalie coming off an injury? I wouldn't be against it but yes, that will be a rebuild. No way we are winning many games in the next few years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 minutes ago, 250Integra said: Unfortunately that's not really how it works. If we had drafted Ehlers and kept all the other players in the organization, chances are we aren't drafting those same players in the subsequent years. Likely different draft positions, needs, etc. Fun to think about though. Yes, another poster pointed that out as well. I think Ehlers, Tkachuk, and probably McCann would be on the team by 2016-17 season. That means no Petey and Hughes and I much prefer Petey and Hughes over Ehlers, Tkachuk, and McCann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, swimsWithDucks said: If they trade Demko then I will have new found respect for this management group. Trading Demko is a change in direction, which is a huge jump for this management. We all knew that JR is a busy guy with trades, so it's not that much of a surprise. I will still wait until the TDL, Draft, UFA and offseason have passed before I judge the Canucks management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 9 minutes ago, swimsWithDucks said: If they trade Demko then I will have new found respect for this management group. Wouldn't the actual return for Demko dictate that? Edited February 3 by Harold Drunken 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: We didn't play hardball with Tryamkin. He left. He didn't like Twitchy. His wife found it difficult to get work here. If anything the club handled him with kid gloves. He refused to play in the AHL when he came to camp out of shape. No one cares about that, yet Jake got crucified over that. But Jake was a long sad saga. Tram is his own boss. Makes his own decisions. He bolts yet he's worshipped on CDC. Tryamkin is the most beloved Canuck to never have won or done anything with the team. It's a fascinating case study on size does matter. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: From what I can see online, Horvat has 37 hits so far this year in 49 games and Miller has 99 in the same amount of games. Horvat is 10-ply compared to Miller. Bo hasn't played with an edge since the bubble. More than his defensive lapses, that was my biggest complaint the past few seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, jyu said: Demko rumor doesn't make much sense to me. Who is going to pay up for a goalie coming off an injury? I wouldn't be against it but yes, that will be a rebuild. No way we are winning many games in the next few years. I would think any trade for Demko would happen at the draft or during the offseason. By the end of the season, he will have plenty of games to prove that he is healthy and back to form. If not? Canuck luck strikes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 35 minutes ago, MattWN. said: Horvat doesn't use his wingers anyways, not sure it would matter. He needs someone to fake it to before toe dragging the dman though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) I'm personally really interested to see what happens to Bo's offensive production now that he's playing on a team and system that asks much more of him defensively and the standard is much higher. The Isles are an air tight team defensively... .I'm not so sure it will play to Bo's strengths but time will tell, I will bet money his pace drops quite a bit. Edited February 3 by Harold Drunken 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: I'm personally really interested to see what happens to Bo's offensive production now that he's playing on a team and system that asks much more if him defensively and the standard is much higher. The Isles are an air tight team defensively... .I'm not so sure it will play to Bo's strengths but time will tell, I will bet money his pace drops quite a bit. It will drop quite a bit. He won't be able to cheat to create offence anymore. If I were him, I'd sign as soon as NYI offer exceeds 64 mil (8 mil x 8 years). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Just now, jyu said: It will drop quite a bit. He won't be able to cheat to create offence anymore. If I were him, I'd sign as soon as NYI offer exceeds 64 mil (8 mil x 8 years). 100%, take the money and run. I totally standby managements approach to we will pay you for your play and production up to this year but we won't overpay for a scoring pace that's very unlikely to sustain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 9 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: I'm personally really interested to see what happens to Bo's offensive production now that he's playing on a team and system that asks much more of him defensively and the standard is much higher. The Isles are an air tight team defensively... .I'm not so sure it will play to Bo's strengths but time will tell, I will bet money his pace drops quite a bit. He's going to be one of their go-to offensive guys especially on the PP. And for their system, possession is important and he is their strongest faceoff guy. So I see a good fit there and he's still playing for that next big contract. I agree that his offensive production may dip a little simply because his shooting percentage is probably not sustainable, but I think he should make NYI a better team overall. Will it be enough for a playoff surge? Who knows, but if they go on a run and enter the playoffs hit, they might surprise in the playoffs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 minutes ago, Harold Drunken said: I'm personally really interested to see what happens to Bo's offensive production now that he's playing on a team and system that asks much more of him defensively and the standard is much higher. The Isles are an air tight team defensively... .I'm not so sure it will play to Bo's strengths but time will tell, I will bet money his pace drops quite a bit. His production may drop but I would be willing to bet he adapts well and shows he is very capable of being more of a ROR/Bergeron type centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 5 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said: His production may drop but I would be willing to bet he adapts well and shows he is very capable of being more of a ROR/Bergeron type centre. Bergeron hey? You're saying Bo can turn into a 5-time Selke winning type player? No likely, at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Harold Drunken said: Bergeron hey? You're saying Bo can turn into a 5-time Selke winning type player? No likely, at all. Note the word, ‘type’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 8 minutes ago, theo5789 said: He's going to be one of their go-to offensive guys especially on the PP. And for their system, possession is important and he is their strongest faceoff guy. So I see a good fit there and he's still playing for that next big contract. I agree that his offensive production may dip a little simply because his shooting percentage is probably not sustainable, but I think he should make NYI a better team overall. Will it be enough for a playoff surge? Who knows, but if they go on a run and enter the playoffs hit, they might surprise in the playoffs as well. I agree he will be a go to guy for them, but that team doesn't produce very much offense....and I doubt adding Bo is going to drastically turn that around. Bo's a really good player I'm not saying he's not, but I just don't see him being that type of goal scorer in their system but I could be proven wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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