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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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11 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said:

His production may drop but I would be willing to bet he adapts well and shows he is very capable of being more of a ROR/Bergeron type centre. 

Bo's never been a defensive C

We pidgeonholed him in that role because we had nobody better

 

But if ny thought they were getting a selke caliber 1C.. man.. they are in for a disappointment

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7 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said:

Note the word, ‘type’ 

Same thing, calling Bo the "type" of player that can be so good defensively he could win or be nominated for the Selke. No matter what noun you use, putting them in the same sentence is a comparison of abilities.

 

They aren't even on the same planet is that aspect, therefore I don't see him being that "TYPE" of player. 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, jyu said:

Yes, another poster pointed that out as well.

 

I think Ehlers, Tkachuk, and probably McCann would be on the team by 2016-17 season. That means no Petey and Hughes and I much prefer Petey and Hughes over Ehlers, Tkachuk, and McCann.

 

Butterfly effect…

 

Would have possibly drafted D such as Brannstrom and Dobson. 
 

:P

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1 minute ago, Harold Drunken said:

I agree he will be a go to guy for them, but that team doesn't produce very much offense....and I doubt adding Bo is going to drastically turn that around. Bo's a really good player I'm not saying he's not, but I just don't see him being that type of goal scorer in their system but I could be proven wrong. 

No I agree that the system likely affect the offensive output, but I guess I was commenting more about Bo's strengths as alluded to where I think his strengths would actually fit that system better to make them a better team overall. But being their go-to offensive guy would help keep his production from falling off a cliff, just maybe a bit of a downtick and I think it'll be more affected by the unsustainable shooting percentage rather than because of the team play.

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5 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Bo's never been a defensive C

We pidgeonholed him in that role because we had nobody better

 

But if ny thought they were getting a selke caliber 1C.. man.. they are in for a disappointment

Yea that’s a commitment players pick up early and spend their careers mastering.


You can’t just choose to play that role. Bergeron has been mastering that role his entire career.

 

Bo will be a guy that can win draws, kill penalties, and give a big boost to their powerplay though, which is what they need. They don’t need him to be an elite shutdown center. They have Pageau for that role.

 

 

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Pat Morris: "I was surprised by the trade!"

 

Translation

 

"I thought the Canucks were going to cave and give my guy his 8m/year"

 

Kinda think Bo actually really did want to re-sign here, and may have taken the hometown discount, and Pat told him to play hardball. 

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1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

Yea that’s a commitment players pick up early and spend their careers mastering.


You can’t just choose to play that role. Bergeron has been mastering that role his entire career.

 

Bo will be a guy that can win draws, kill penalties, and give a big boost to their powerplay though, which is what they need. They don’t need him to be an elite shutdown center.

I do think Bo will help them.

But they overpayed imo. I'm in the camp that he'll mostly regress to his usual levels & shooting %, etc.

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1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

Pat Morris: "I was surprised by the trade!"

 

Translation

 

"I thought the Canucks were going to cave and give my guy his 8m/year"

 

Kinda think Bo actually really did want to re-sign here, and may have taken the hometown discount, and Pat told him to play hardball. 

Gotta wonder how that conversation with his agent went if he really didn’t want to be traded…

 

But you would hope management gave him enough warning. Like this is the last offer or we’re going to trade you. He couldn’t have been that shocked when he rejected their latest offer.

 

I think everything he’s saying is just lip service though. I think when they re-signed Miller and a bunch of other players before him he was hurt. The only way he was staying was taking market value here, and that’s not a player that is committed to being here.

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3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

I do think Bo will help them.

But they overpayed imo. I'm in the camp that he'll mostly regress to his usual levels & shooting %, etc.

I don't know as every year Bo has got better.To me he will be a 30 plus goal scorer for probably the next 3 to 4 years.He still will take most faceoffs and that alone is worth big bucks.

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2 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Gotta wonder how that conversation with his agent went if he really didn’t want to be traded…

 

But you would hope management gave him enough warning. Like this is the last offer or we’re going to trade you. He couldn’t have been that shocked when he rejected their latest offer.

 

I think everything he’s saying is just lip service though. I think when they re-signed Miller and a bunch of other players before him he was hurt. The only way he was staying was taking market value here, and that’s not a player that is committed to being here.

I really think Bo was focused this entire year on making bank, but I also think he was confident the canucks would cave and find a way to give it to him. I guess he can see what offers are on the table come july and if he really wants to come back, he can grovel and see what happens. I don't see the canucks bringing him back at any price point now, though. 

 

I predict that he'll really struggle to adapt in new york and will be statistically lacklustre the rest of the year. 

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4 hours ago, tas said:

probably not all that different from the percentage of top draft picks that had great d+1s and went on to be stars. 

Do you actually think that? 

I would have thought top draft picks with great draft +1s would have a higher percentage of hitting than top draft picks with poor draft +1s.

 

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17 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said:

His production may drop but I would be willing to bet he adapts well and shows he is very capable of being more of a ROR/Bergeron type centre. 

Umm, no he isn't. I don't know where people get this two-way C idea, but his defensive metrics are (and always have been) average at best. He is a terrible match up C, besides being good on the dot he doesn't have any of the skills ROR or Bergeron possess. 

 

Horvats production is bound to drop off a cliff with the Isle. 1/3 of his points have come on the PP, and he's going to a team with a league worst powerplay @ 15%. NYI are a way more structured defensive focused team, 4th best PK, and they score over half a goal less per game than Vancouver. 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Yea that’s a commitment players pick up early and spend their careers mastering.


You can’t just choose to play that role. Bergeron has been mastering that role his entire career.

 

Bo will be a guy that can win draws, kill penalties, and give a big boost to their powerplay though, which is what they need. They don’t need him to be an elite shutdown center. They have Pageau for that role.

 

 

We've seen no proof Bo can EFFECTIVELY kill penalties. He can win faceoffs, but thats where his defensive C strengths end. 

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6 minutes ago, tas said:

I really think Bo was focused this entire year on making bank, but I also think he was confident the canucks would cave and find a way to give it to him. I guess he can see what offers are on the table come july and if he really wants to come back, he can grovel and see what happens. I don't see the canucks bringing him back at any price point now, though. 

 

I predict that he'll really struggle to adapt in new york and will be statistically lacklustre the rest of the year. 

While I think he will regress, I don't know if he will be statistically lacklustre the rest of the year. Maybe you will prove to be right given the playing style of NYI.

 

I think he pots 10-15 goals and 25 points to end up with around 45 goals and around 80 points for the season.

 

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13 minutes ago, cripplereh said:

I don't know as every year Bo has got better.To me he will be a 30 plus goal scorer for probably the next 3 to 4 years.He still will take most faceoffs and that alone is worth big bucks.

I can see this being the case, but he isn't going to be sniffing 50 moving forward. If he can keep his abilities on the FO dot going strong, he will bring value to any lineup. That being said, I'm still happy we're not going to be the ones paying him for a career contract year. 

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6 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

Do you actually think that? 

I would have thought top draft picks with great draft +1s would have a higher percentage of hitting than top draft picks with poor draft +1s.

 

and you might be right, I certainly haven't done the research. but my significant hunch is that if you compare equivalently drafted players, their d+1s won't be largely indicative of long-term success. again, just my hunch. some analytics nerd has probably posted a spreadsheet about it on twitter somewhere. 

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3 minutes ago, MattWN. said:

We've seen no proof Bo can EFFECTIVELY kill penalties. He can win faceoffs, but thats where his defensive C strengths end. 

It's not clear if Bo just plain sucks at PK or if it's other factors like defence or goaltending but right, we don't have definitive proof that Bo can kill penalties.

 

We will see how it goes on NYI. If he can't kill penalties there, then we know he can't.

 

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32 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

I do think Bo will help them.

But they overpayed imo. I'm in the camp that he'll mostly regress to his usual levels & shooting %, etc.

Yeah, Bo might have levelled up and got to the next level which is better than his previous seasons but I dont see this year as the norm either

He's probably somewhere in between. 

 

That being said, if he signs for 8+, that is an overpayment and I'm glad it's not us

 

In a perfect world, we would have traded Miller last deadline and then signed Bo to an extension last summer for 6.5 but it is what it is. 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, MattWN. said:

I can see this being the case, but he isn't going to be sniffing 50 moving forward. If he can keep his abilities on the FO dot going strong, he will bring value to any lineup. That being said, I'm still happy we're not going to be the ones paying him for a career contract year. 

As long as Bo scores enough to keep the Isles above #12 draft pick I will be happy. 

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