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2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

My preference has always been if we had to chose between JT and Bo the smarter move is Bo, I’m not changing from that because it os truth imo. 
 

Just listen to any unbiased media talk about JT Miller. Steve Dangle calls his play shocking for a player making that much money. 

I get what people see and don’t see as negatives keeping JT,.   But if you pull back ,  all of the players, not just, but including JT , have been in a soft culture , that has continued here for too long.

 

It’s the landscape that needs to change, and that is what is happening,.   Those that aren’t will to lead to that cause are also leaving.

 

I see an imbalance that now is being corrected,   Keeping Miller is helping Management change this culture.

Letting Bo go was also a part of that change.

 

I like Bo,  but he was the right player of the 2 to move considering the TYPE of hockey management wants the team to play.

I think once everyone is on that same page , a lot of those negative values associated with every player will lessen..  and guys will round out their personal strengths.

 

Im almost positive JT will be moved in 3 or 4 years,  not because of lack of play, but a proper turning point to gain good value for a player by way of attrition and better players surfacing from our own ranks.

 

I do think they’ll keep him if we are CUP contenders inside 4 years though.

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8 minutes ago, MattWN. said:

Find the private message function, and keep your little "gotcha" drama there. All you've proven is that you have too much free time on your hands.

Yes , I do ,  lots ,   Keep in touch.

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

I get what people see and don’t see as negatives keeping JT,.   But if you pull back ,  all of the players, not just, but including JT , have been in a soft culture , that has continued here for too long.

 

It’s the landscape that needs to change, and that is what is happening,.   Those that aren’t will to lead to that cause are also leaving.

 

I see an imbalance that now is being corrected,   Keeping Miller is helping Management change this culture.

Letting Bo go was also a part of that change.

 

I like Bo,  but he was the right player of the 2 to move considering the TYPE of hockey management wants the team to play.

I think once everyone is on that same page , a lot of those negative values associated with every player will lessen..  and guys will round out their personal strengths.

 

Im almost positive JT will be moved in 3 or 4 years,  not because of lack of play, but a proper turning point to gain good value for a player by way of attrition and better players surfacing from our own ranks.

 

I do think they’ll keep him if we are CUP contenders inside 4 years though.

I mostly agree with the Bo Vs Miller narrative. I still would have rather see both moved, but this team needs a major recourse in trajectory. Miller is far from being the perfect player, but he's on the few guys out there who seem to have any emotion during the game, even though its often misguided.

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10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

My preference has always been if we had to chose between JT and Bo the smarter move is Bo, I’m not changing from that because it os truth imo. 
 

Just listen to any unbiased media talk about JT Miller. Steve Dangle calls his play shocking for a player making that much money. 

Steve Dangle is a joke of a writer tho. He is having an off year, yet still almost at a point per game. He was our best forward since he got here. 
 

I will admit, I wanted to keep Miller over Horvat. He is the better player overall and he plays with far more intensity than Bo. Before this year, even though he made some ridiculously stupid passes, his good far outweighed the bad. Bo will not get 99 points in his career, he doesn’t have the playmaking or creativity, agility of miller. He needs to be held way more accountable for his sloppy line changes, outbursts are happening too much. But when right, which I think Tocchet is the perfect man for. I’d take him over Horvat everyday. 

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4 minutes ago, Nuckin Kingsly said:

Steve Dangle is a joke of a writer tho. He is having an off year, yet still almost at a point per game. He was our best forward since he got here. 
 

I will admit, I wanted to keep Miller over Horvat. He is the better player overall and he plays with far more intensity than Bo. Before this year, even though he made some ridiculously stupid passes, his good far outweighed the bad. Bo will not get 99 points in his career, he doesn’t have the playmaking or creativity, agility of miller. He needs to be held way more accountable for his sloppy line changes, outbursts are happening too much. But when right, which I think Tocchet is the perfect man for. I’d take him over Horvat everyday. 

Both players are severely flawed, thats really the truth of the matter. I think Miller makes his linemates better, where Horvat is often a blackhole for his wingers. Millers inability to play C this year could be a major issue. Miller last year is a better player than Bo this year, hes a more dynamic player overall. Bo has completely lost the edge he played with earlier in his career. Miller has 99 hits to Bo's lacklustre 37. You gotta think Millers 13% shooting percentage will climb, and Bo's almost 22% will drop. 

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4 minutes ago, MattWN. said:

I mostly agree with the Bo Vs Miller narrative. I still would have rather see both moved, but this team needs a major recourse in trajectory. Miller is far from being the perfect player, but he's on the few guys out there who seem to have any emotion during the game, even though its often misguided.

I think it’s a lot of frustration boiling over for him. 
who wouldn’t be?

the thing with keeping him is that there’s no one who plays as emotionally charged on the team who contributes in the way he does.…  so who is left to carry that banner on behalf of mangers or coaches.

Petey and Hughes are too young yet..

Thats the only reason, and the fact that Miller is articulate and a great speaker representing the Canucks pre and post games.

Id like to see the C on him , eventually passed to EP,  

EP and Hughes do not need to deal with the media thugs in this town , they’ll rip them apart.

 

Someone cross referenced Pavelskis career with JTs active career ( age wise) .

it’s a pretty good comparison..  if we get that out of JT ,  he will be a hero in this city.

 

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52 minutes ago, MattWN. said:

I can't see LA having the mindset that they realistically have a shot at making a deep cup run, and if they do, I'm not sure if Demko would even be their best option. I can see a handful of teams catching and passing them before the deadline. Keep in mind teams behind them have as many as 5 games in hand to make up the 5 points separating them. 

good thing demko isn't a rental. la needs a long-term solution. 

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32 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

My preference has always been if we had to chose between JT and Bo the smarter move is Bo, I’m not changing from that because it os truth imo. 
 

Just listen to any unbiased media talk about JT Miller. Steve Dangle calls his play shocking for a player making that much money. 

I agree. Having watched interviews with Horvats reaction it’s pretty obvious jr is playing hardball  and it looks like, a be careful what you ask for situation. and if they can do it to the capt.  Who’s arguably more  or as popular as miller. Then they can do it with anyone.  And If I were a miller proponent,  and  if miller doesn’t address the deficiency’s and the pouty attitude,  in his game, then there’s cold comfort in him not being considered trade bait. When putting into context the return for horvat that they received for the money and term they didn’t  have to shell out, Then why would they look at millers money and term any different?  They wouldn’t. Because it’s pretty clear they were, satisfied with the return on horvat. Given the two players production levels going off this year. The only thing that bodes in millers favour staying versus being traded is they probably get less in return in comparison to what they received with horvat. A sort of job security and not in a good way.  Especially given that there running out of time to move him when the next contract kicks in. Which failing any improvement makes him even less marketable after July 2023 

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1 minute ago, SilentSam said:

I think it’s a lot of frustration boiling over for him. 
who wouldn’t be?

the thing with keeping him is that there’s no one who plays as emotionally charged on the team who contributes in the way he does.…  so who is left to carry that banner on behalf of mangers or coaches.

Petey and Hughes are too young yet..

Thats the only reason, and the fact that Miller is articulate and a great speaker representing the Canucks pre and post games.

Id like to see the C on him , eventually passed to EP,  

EP and Hughes do not need to deal with the media thugs in this town , they’ll rip them apart.

 

Someone cross referenced Pavelskis career with JTs active career ( age wise) .

it’s a pretty good comparison..  if we get that out of JT ,  he will be a hero in this city.

 

I'm all good with the stick smashing, and the swearing. The losing it on the 3rd string goalie is honestly a little bit of a red flag.

 

Until this whole locker room bullshit is sorted out, and that country club we've heard so much about is gone.. I'm pretty firmly planted on the no captain team. The honest truth is that there are too many changes still needed before we know what kind of team we have. You can't be giving Petey the C until he's locked up long term, so for now he isn't an option. Hughes would crumble IMO under the weight of captaincy, and right now is 100% inequitably not a good time to be handing Miller the C, if for only the optics. I would be shocked if we have a captain by opening night next year. 

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1 minute ago, MattWN. said:

I'm all good with the stick smashing, and the swearing. The losing it on the 3rd string goalie is honestly a little bit of a red flag.

 

Until this whole locker room bullshit is sorted out, and that country club we've heard so much about is gone.. I'm pretty firmly planted on the no captain team. The honest truth is that there are too many changes still needed before we know what kind of team we have. You can't be giving Petey the C until he's locked up long term, so for now he isn't an option. Hughes would crumble IMO under the weight of captaincy, and right now is 100% inequitably not a good time to be handing Miller the C, if for only the optics. I would be shocked if we have a captain by opening night next year. 

100 percent. It's gonna be a circus to finish out the year. Why put a player through that as captain. 

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4 minutes ago, tas said:

good thing demko isn't a rental. la needs a long-term solution. 

You think LA is going to be better/as good with another 3 years on Doughty and Kopitar? Doughty is still playing 26+ minutes a night, Kopitar 22+

Even if they do, and Demko is moved. The haul will be underwhelming for all the reasons mentioned in this thread already. 

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35 minutes ago, Muttley said:

Now I'm not that big of a fan of Drance most of the time but on this segment he seems to have, what he thinks, is a cautionary plan to take this team forward, and 

although he doesn't push the phrase tanking for the future, it does lead one in that direction. I wish he had of went a little further as to just how many deals and who.

He suggested a few.

 

Why is he shouting?

Is this hockeygod77?

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24 minutes ago, Nuckin Kingsly said:

Steve Dangle is a joke of a writer tho. He is having an off year, yet still almost at a point per game. He was our best forward since he got here. 
 

I will admit, I wanted to keep Miller over Horvat. He is the better player overall and he plays with far more intensity than Bo. Before this year, even though he made some ridiculously stupid passes, his good far outweighed the bad. Bo will not get 99 points in his career, he doesn’t have the playmaking or creativity, agility of miller. He needs to be held way more accountable for his sloppy line changes, outbursts are happening too much. But when right, which I think Tocchet is the perfect man for. I’d take him over Horvat everyday. 

Steve Dangle is far from a joke, he’s pretty blunt and honest and even though he’s a Leafs fan he openly criticizes them when warranted he is pretty unbiased overall. 

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4 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Steve Dangle is far from a joke, he’s pretty blunt and honest and even though he’s a Leafs fan he openly criticizes them when warranted he is pretty unbiased overall. 

It's interesting Shannon (The Hockey Guy) says he's been given offers with Sportsnet/TSN. And he's refused. The reason why is he wants to keep his channel independent and he can say what he feels. Dangle even says he admires THG because of how neutral he is, even on teams he likes. And he doesn't get all worked up. (Which is LFR's bread and butter).

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5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Steve Dangle is far from a joke, he’s pretty blunt and honest and even though he’s a Leafs fan he openly criticizes them when warranted he is pretty unbiased overall. 

He's kind of annoying. His schtick is he's loud, and today loud equals funny. I haven't watched in a while to be fair, but he didn't seem particularly unbias or even all that knowledgeable. He's a glorified fan that gets buzz cause he's a Leafs fan.

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8 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Steve Dangle is far from a joke, he’s pretty blunt and honest and even though he’s a Leafs fan he openly criticizes them when warranted he is pretty unbiased overall. 

His takes aren't terrible, but his schtick is annoying as f**k. I swear his whole persona is based off combining Brick Tamland and Champ Kind, just another sportscaster who thinks talking louder than everyone else somehow makes his point more effective. "LOUD NOISES."

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7 minutes ago, MattWN. said:

His takes aren't terrible, but his schtick is annoying as f**k. I swear his whole persona is based off combining Brick Tamland and Champ Kind, just another sportscaster who thinks talking louder than everyone else somehow makes his point more effective. "LOUD NOISES."

If I was like Dangle and being "Canuck Fan Reacts". My blood pressure would spike and I'd probably be dead in 6 months.

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2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

If I was like Dangle and being "Canuck Fan Reacts". My blood pressure would spike and I'd probably be dead in 6 months.

I think chain smoking, and binge drinking 24/7 would be easier on the heart.

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