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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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4 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

Thought this was supposed to be a deep draft? 

I can't remember who I was listening to, but whoever it was, they were saying that there is a drop off after the 13th or 14th pick.  Might have been someone on 650, I can't remember...

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2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I can't remember who I was listening to, but whoever it was, they were saying that there is a drop off after the 13th or 14th pick.  Might have been someone on 650, I can't remember...

But we could still get a really good player right? 

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1 hour ago, steviewonder20 said:

Thats not the question. On 650 they were stating that the Isles could also keep a 13th, 14th, 15th, etc. pick this year and defer to 2024. My question is if only 1-12 are protected or if they can defer any pick this year.

That's not what they said on 650. That would make no sense. It's only top 12 protected. Anything after the 12th goes to Canucks. 

 

What they said was top 12 is protected.  Hut IF NYI wish they can give the Canucks this year's pick even if it's a top 12.

 

So if the pick is 9th overall and the NYI don't like the player they're getting at 9th they can decide to give the pick to the Canucks instead of the unprotected pick the following year.

 

 

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4 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

12th and under protected with NYI having option to give us this year's even if it's under 12th. 

 

Next year's unprotected.  

 

Ofcourse next year's unprotected would be great. Not sure why you think that sucks. 

im gunna get real angry if they trade that 2024 pick and we end up getting 2025.
 

 

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4 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

im gunna get real angry if they trade that 2024 pick and we end up getting 2025.
 

 

Not possible.

 

If there is a condition placed on NYI 2024 1st rd pick (like it is now with the Canucks), it cannot be used in other trade transactions.

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4 minutes ago, BPA said:

Not possible.

 

If there is a condition placed on NYI 2024 1st rd pick (like it is now with the Canucks), it cannot be used in other trade transactions.

thank god, thought that was real. that would be really dumb if they could

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20 minutes ago, TNucks1 said:

im gunna get real angry if they trade that 2024 pick and we end up getting 2025.
 

 

The Islanders are technically allowed to trade their 2024 1st round pick.  However, if they keep the 2023 pick and the 2024 pick goes to Vancouver, then the team that made the second trade with the Islanders would get moved back and receive the Islanders 2025 1st round pick.  So, either way the Canucks situation is not changed...

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1 hour ago, steviewonder20 said:

Thats not the question. On 650 they were stating that the Isles could also keep a 13th, 14th, 15th, etc. pick this year and defer to 2024. My question is if only 1-12 are protected or if they can defer any pick this year.

If they could defer any pick this year than they wouldn't call it a top 12 protected pick. It would be a straight up protected first round pick. The fact that it says specifically that it's "top 12 protected" says it all.

 

They could however offer their 2024 unprotected pick to us for the pick if its 13 or up in a separate transaction if they were so inclined. Would be our choice to take it or not.

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1 hour ago, coryberg said:

If they could defer any pick this year than they wouldn't call it a top 12 protected pick. It would be a straight up protected first round pick. The fact that it says specifically that it's "top 12 protected" says it all.

 

They could however offer their 2024 unprotected pick to us for the pick if its 13 or up in a separate transaction if they were so inclined. Would be our choice to take it or not.

I think we're going to get the 2023 pick, cause I think the Islanders are going to make a strong push with Bo. They're all in, man. I'd rather have the 2024 first unprotected pick, cause there's a decent chance that the Islanders could fall apart with so many of their players in their 30's. Could Bo be entering a rebuild with the Islanders? 

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4 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

I think we're going to get the 2023 pick, cause I think the Islanders are going to make a strong push with Bo. They're all in, man. I'd rather have the 2024 first unprotected pick, cause there's a decent chance that the Islanders could fall apart with so many of their players in their 30's. Could Bo be entering a rebuild with the Islanders? 

why would the islander need to enter a rebuild? they have all their foundational core piece in place. barzal horvat pulock dobson sorokin. if they can figure out how to dump bailey on the last year of his contract they can retool fairly quick. while they prolly won't be contender status but they can easily be in the hunt for a playoff spot if they make the right move and able to dump off some expiring contracts.

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13 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

why would the islander need to enter a rebuild? they have all their foundational core piece in place. barzal horvat pulock dobson sorokin. if they can figure out how to dump bailey on the last year of his contract they can retool fairly quick. while they prolly won't be contender status but they can easily be in the hunt for a playoff spot if they make the right move and able to dump off some expiring contracts.

they've also got a lot of anchor contracts on the team too. if those players start to decline, it's going to be hard to move them. 

 

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49 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

they've also got a lot of anchor contracts on the team too. if those players start to decline, it's going to be hard to move them. 

 

i wont say a lot Nelson is still producing at a decent rate and only got 2 years left.. only one really is Anders Lee. if he can still chip in 25goals a season i think he's ok not great. bailey they can try to cap dump or they can just buy him out and cost them 2.3mil and 1. something mil with the cap expected to go up they are not as bad as we wish them to be. 1 thing working in their favor is their defence is very cheap. this year alone their defence cost the same as 3 of our players combined almost and they are locked in for another 2 seasons. i think bailey will be dumped or bought out they'll have some room to add 10mil to add a top 6 couple 3rd pairing defenceman and a backup goalie.

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5 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

they've also got a lot of anchor contracts on the team too. if those players start to decline, it's going to be hard to move them. 

 

Islanders still have barzal, horvat, dobson, pulock, pelech, ramonov, sorokin to name a few, to build around.  

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8 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

That's not what they said on 650. That would make no sense. It's only top 12 protected. Anything after the 12th goes to Canucks. 

 

What they said was top 12 is protected.  Hut IF NYI wish they can give the Canucks this year's pick even if it's a top 12.

 

So if the pick is 9th overall and the NYI don't like the player they're getting at 9th they can decide to give the pick to the Canucks instead of the unprotected pick the following year.

 

 

Thanks, glad to hear that. This year is a special draft class and we need to boost our prospect pool.

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8 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

The Islanders are technically allowed to trade their 2024 1st round pick.  However, if they keep the 2023 pick and the 2024 pick goes to Vancouver, then the team that made the second trade with the Islanders would get moved back and receive the Islanders 2025 1st round pick.  So, either way the Canucks situation is not changed...

Only way that would happen is if the trade has language that says “if Canucks receive the 2024 pick, then the ______ team will receive the 2025 pick”.

 

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15 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

why would the islander need to enter a rebuild? they have all their foundational core piece in place. barzal horvat pulock dobson sorokin. if they can figure out how to dump bailey on the last year of his contract they can retool fairly quick. while they prolly won't be contender status but they can easily be in the hunt for a playoff spot if they make the right move and able to dump off some expiring contracts.

 

14 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:

i wont say a lot Nelson is still producing at a decent rate and only got 2 years left.. only one really is Anders Lee. if he can still chip in 25goals a season i think he's ok not great. bailey they can try to cap dump or they can just buy him out and cost them 2.3mil and 1. something mil with the cap expected to go up they are not as bad as we wish them to be. 1 thing working in their favor is their defence is very cheap. this year alone their defence cost the same as 3 of our players combined almost and they are locked in for another 2 seasons. i think bailey will be dumped or bought out they'll have some room to add 10mil to add a top 6 couple 3rd pairing defenceman and a backup goalie.

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