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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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After tonight's game think we did great in the Bo trade.If Raty pans out to be a 2nd line center,our 1st we get a good player we are laughing.Even if Raty only becomes a 3rd line C,long as the first becomes another nhlers.

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On 2/9/2023 at 10:44 AM, wai_lai416 said:

why would the islander need to enter a rebuild? they have all their foundational core piece in place. barzal horvat pulock dobson sorokin. if they can figure out how to dump bailey on the last year of his contract they can retool fairly quick. while they prolly won't be contender status but they can easily be in the hunt for a playoff spot if they make the right move and able to dump off some expiring contracts.

Maybe because they couldn’t beat a Canuck team that has a bad defence and goalie.

Demoralised by the loss of their captain and so on.

Seriously, they should have won easy if they have all the pieces of the core.

 

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5 hours ago, cripplereh said:

After tonight's game think we did great in the Bo trade.If Raty pans out to be a 2nd line center,our 1st we get a good player we are laughing.Even if Raty only becomes a 3rd line C,long as the first becomes another nhlers.

Had the exact same feeling. I am a huge Bo fan (and still would have kept Bo over Miller) but given the current situation, moving Bo was the right call.  He is still riding a high this season with a very strong offensive year, and it will continue for a while with the energy of moving to a new team.  If Raty becomes at least a 3C, the Isles 1st becomes a productive NHLer, and Beau carries on being a strong middle 6 two way energy W, we win this deal.  We also need to remember, that the cap difference between Bo and Beau could also give us the flexibility to sign someone like Severson, so there is potentially a UFA element from this with the cap space.

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1 minute ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

Had the exact same feelings.  Am a huge Bo fan, and still would have kept Bo over Miller, but given the current situation, moving Bo was the right call.  He is still riding a high this season with a very strong offensive year, and it will continue for a while with the energy of moving to a new team.  If Raty becomes at least a 3C, the Isles 1st becomes a productive NHLer, and Beau carries on being a strong middle 6 two way energy W, we win this deal.  We also need to remember, that the cap difference between Bo and Beau could also give us the flexibility to sign someone like Severson, so there is potentially a UFA element from this with the cap space.

Agree with most of this, until the bolded part above.

This is still a transition year though, so please, don't waste money on UFAs.

Lets not have any hangovers after next year so we can BANK CAP and untie management's hands.

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Just now, Goal:thecup said:

Agree with most of this, until the bolded part above.

This is still a transition year though, so please, don't waste money on UFAs.

Lets not have any hangovers after next year so we can BANK CAP and untie management's hands.

Complete agree in principle, however with RD being such an area of need, we need to look at multiple approaches.  Draft RD (Who won't be ready for a couple years), sign Livingsone (Still not a guarantee), and augment with a strong veteran (Severson, E Johnson).  Severson may not be the right guy, but we will likely need to look at this as part of the strategy.  Team will need insulation and RD will be a need.  No more long term winger contracts however.

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4 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

Complete agree in principle, however with RD being such an area of need, we need to look at multiple approaches.  Draft RD (Who won't be ready for a couple years), sign Livingsone (Still not a guarantee), and augment with a strong veteran (Severson, E Johnson).  Severson may not be the right guy, but we will likely need to look at this as part of the strategy.  Team will need insulation and RD will be a need.  No more long term winger contracts however.

Actually this year and next year are transition years.

We can still trade for RD prospects and players who were valued higher but teams are willing to part with.

Just no long-term deals, minimal movement restrictions, LITR, etc.

"Keep it clean, keep it clean, keep it clean."

  -  The New Centurions by The Kinks

(And maybe even get high picks in 2024 as well...)

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40 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

Actually this year and next year are transition years.

We can still trade for RD prospects and players who were valued higher but teams are willing to part with.

Just no long-term deals, minimal movement restrictions, LITR, etc.

"Keep it clean, keep it clean, keep it clean."

  -  The New Centurions by The Kinks

(And maybe even get high picks in 2024 as well...)

Agreed on nothing long term.  Severson in my mind would be a 3 year deal but if someone offers 5-6 then we are out.  We do need to avoid those while providing some stability for the team.  To be honest, I am still a firm believer that OEL would perform to expectations with some defensive D insulation.  I think he still has all of the abilities from previously, but our D is completely out of balance.

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2 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

Agreed on nothing long term.  Severson in my mind would be a 3 year deal but if someone offers 5-6 then we are out.  We do need to avoid those while providing some stability for the team.  To be honest, I am still a firm believer that OEL would perform to expectations with some defensive D insulation.  I think he still has all of the abilities from previously, but our D is completely out of balance.

I mean how many down years did EK65 have before having a bounce back, sometimes it just takes a couple tweaks to reinvent your game, he def doesn’t get enough credit for the mean streak he shows every now and then, might need a coach to pull that out of him to get the most out of the guy… we ain’t getting a 20 goal oel when he sits on the bench during pp1 and I feel like nobody will ever respect him unless he put up a season like that again 

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23 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Just a quick question, wasn't Lou the GM of NJ when we traded Schneider to them in exchange for the pick we used to draft Horvat?

 

 

4 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

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1 minute ago, Kenny Powers said:

AB has looked quite good for a salary dump. Appreciate he’s known to be streaky, so I’ll temper my expectations, but the assist on Petey’s goal today was great

I could see it being a classic case of a player being miscast on a team. 
 

We all know what kind of player the Islanders value. I bet with more focus on offense he’ll prove himself again.

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Just now, DeNiro said:

I could see it being a classic case of a player being miscast on a team. 
 

We all know what kind of player the Islanders value. I bet with more focus on offense he’ll prove himself again.

That would be awesome to revive his career as a legit top 6 forward. He seems to have he speed and skill, and looks pretty strong for his stature

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32 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

AB has looked quite good for a salary dump. Appreciate he’s known to be streaky, so I’ll temper my expectations, but the assist on Petey’s goal today was great

A younger Tanner Pearson. Also makes 2nd line money but should really be on your 3rd line. At full contract both AB and Pearson are hard to move however next year both guys in the final years of their contracts could be flipped with retention for something nice.

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1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said:

A younger Tanner Pearson. Also makes 2nd line money but should really be on your 3rd line. At full contract both AB and Pearson are hard to move however next year both guys in the final years of their contracts could be flipped with retention for something nice.

Yep, and they’ll both play hard for their next contract

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Hurricanes' GM Waddell talking to Gentille for the Athletic, says that Allvin was upfront that he was looking to get the highest 1st round pick possible as part of the return for Horvat. 

 

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10 minutes ago, mll said:

Hurricanes' GM Waddell talking to Gentille for the Athletic, says that Allvin was upfront that he was looking to get the highest 1st round pick possible as part of the return for Horvat. 

 

Interesting. I wonder if the Hurricanes' package was KK, Morrow and their 1st and Allvin went with the Islanders due to the mid 1st vs late 1st.

 

Ultimately I think the Islanders return for Bo was pretty solid and if the pick stays in the 13-17 tange could be an excellent player. Personally however, I would have preferred the theoretical Hurricanes package due to our severe need for blue chip RHD prospects even if the 1st would have been in the 25-30 range instead (some really good D prospects in that range anyway).

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