EternalCanuckFan Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 46 minutes ago, Jester13 said: They certainly need to start keeping some of their picks soon because they've traded away their last four 1st rounders in a row, plus Raty. They will have cap space one day but no assets or prospect pool to fall back on, so they'll be signing expensive ufas to fill their roster. Yikes. Will be interesting to see if the Islanders choose to wait out veteran contracts to expire or end up having to pay to rid themselves of a couple of contracts. Bailey and Palmieri are probably their most underperforming forwards with fairly large AAVs. Bailey has one more year left and Palmieri two more years (along with Brock Nelson). Lee and Pageau are up in 3-years. They have to re-sign Wahlstrom this summer too. The Islanders could still be a competitive team but they're at least 2-3 years away from having meaningful cap space to work with to improve their roster (unless they manage to clear space in the meantime but they don't seem to have the assets to afford that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Harold Drunken said: They are the second oldest team in the league I believe, their window is closing - likely already closed. I just hope they win a few and keep their pick out of the top 12...I don't see them being much better next year so if they do pick in the top 12 this year then their pick next year will probably be a decent pick too. Like I said 5 forwards 30+ years old with 5M+ contracts expire all within 3 years after this season. That’s gonna have a major effect on their age and their cap right when the cap should go up. Martin is 33 and has two years left and Parise is almost 40 who’s only on for this year. Their top 4 D core is under 30 and two of them are under 25. Their G is 27. They are primed for a retool in a few years. If they play their cards right they could do it well. Might have to suffer if the older part of the core can’t get it done in the meantime but as I said they’re not gonna be there long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said: Like I said 5 forwards 30+ years old with 5M+ contracts expire all within 3 years after this season. That’s gonna have a major effect on their age and their cap right when the cap should go up. Martin is 33 and has two years left and Parise is almost 40 who’s only on for this year. Their top 4 D core is under 30 and two of them are under 25. Their G is 27. They are primed for a retool in a few years. If they play their cards right they could do it well. Might have to suffer if the older part of the core can’t get it done in the meantime but as I said they’re not gonna be there long. Yup. They will finish around bottom 11 this season. I think Lou Lam gives us that pick. But if he doesn’t there is a very good chance (with the elephant now in their room and no longer ours) their 2024 first is top five. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Jester13 said: They certainly need to start keeping some of their picks soon because they've traded away their last four 1st rounders in a row, plus Raty. They will have cap space one day but no assets or prospect pool to fall back on, so they'll be signing expensive ufas to fill their roster. Yikes. For sure they shouldn’t be spending more picks. They’ll need to add a couple youngsters at forward in the next few years when they do get that cap. It would go a long way for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, Alflives said: Yup. They will finish around bottom 11 this season. I think Lou Lam gives us that pick. But if he doesn’t there is a very good chance (with the elephant now in their room and no longer ours) their 2024 first is top five. I doubt it. They probably finish higher next year with a Horvat if they stay healthy. They’re other teams with much older cores that are struggling to maintain competitiveness that will probably begin to flop sooner like the Pens and Caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 7 hours ago, SilentSam said: they are trying to get there money's worth...keep trying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: Like I said 5 forwards 30+ years old with 5M+ contracts expire all within 3 years after this season. That’s gonna have a major effect on their age and their cap right when the cap should go up. And at that exact time UFA contracts will be at an all time high. Wash, rinse, repeat for them and mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, coryberg said: And at that exact time UFA contracts will be at an all time high. Wash, rinse, repeat for them and mediocrity. They will for every team though but they'll be better off than most. I mean are we not trying to clear as much cap to improve our team? Are we not waiting out some contracts? Isn't our defense pretty old in our top 4? Difference is they're more built at D long term than forward like we're. Not if they play their cards right. Edited February 16 by Junkyard Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: Like I said 5 forwards 30+ years old with 5M+ contracts expire all within 3 years after this season. That’s gonna have a major effect on their age and their cap right when the cap should go up. Martin is 33 and has two years left and Parise is almost 40 who’s only on for this year. Their top 4 D core is under 30 and two of them are under 25. Their G is 27. They are primed for a retool in a few years. If they play their cards right they could do it well. Might have to suffer if the older part of the core can’t get it done in the meantime but as I said they’re not gonna be there long. They have zero prospects and their only forwards in 3 years will be Barzal and Horvat. Maybe Wahlstrom. Not sure how they will be able to be competitive with only 2 or 3 forwards. They will either have to overpay to get UFA’s or they will have to build through the draft. That won’t start until at least next year, so you are looking at 5-8 years from now before they can build up their prospect pool at forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: They have zero prospects and their only forwards in 3 years will be Barzal and Horvat. Maybe Wahlstrom. Not sure how they will be able to be competitive with only 2 or 3 forwards. They will either have to overpay to get UFA’s or they will have to build through the draft. That won’t start until at least next year, so you are looking at 5-8 years from now before they can build up their prospect pool at forward. If they suck they will get prospects coming up right in the nick of time as cap goes up. Perhaps. They may even get a top 12 pick in this draft. 5-8 years is quite a stretch. Don't forwards jump sooner than D? I hope you're not thinking it will take that long to rebuild our D-core. Or are you thinking we overpay for a UFA? Are Defenseman UFAs usually more pricey and less rare than UFA forwards? Our roster is young but how many of these younger guys in the bottom half/top 6 D were drafted? Most of them were traded for or signed as free agents. That anyone can do. I am not saying they will turn it around but they have the potential too. Having a prime G who's really good and younger top top 4 D core with an average age of 25.5 is a pretty good start base. Their only issue is at FWD and they got 2 guys there that can play in the long haul, maybe 1 or two more like Wahlstrom. It's all really up in the air at this point. Just like us. It'll be interesting to see how they pan out. Edited February 16 by Junkyard Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: If they suck they will get prospects coming up right in the nick of time as cap goes up. Perhaps. They may even get a top 12 pick in this draft. 5-8 years is quite a stretch. Don't forwards jump sooner than D? I hope you're not thinking it will take that long to rebuild our D-core. Or are you thinking we overpay for a UFA? Are Defenseman UFAs usually more pricey and less rare than UFA forwards? Our roster is young but how many of these younger guys in the bottom half/top 6 D were drafted? Most of them were traded for or signed as free agents. That anyone can do. I am not saying they will turn it around but they have the potential too. Having a prime G who's really good and younger top top 4 D core with an average age of 25.5 is a pretty good start base. Their only issue is at FWD and they got 2 guys there that can play in the long haul, maybe 1 or two more like Wahlstrom. It's all really up in the air at this point. Just like us. It'll be interesting to see how they pan out. There are 12 forwards on a team. But there are only 6 defencemen. So yes we will rebuild our defence before NYI can rebuild their forward group. We also have at least 2-3 nice prospects at D right now, so we already have some guys in the pipeline who can take the next step. NYI literally having nothing up front. It will take 5-8 years because they need like 10 more guys to build a team. Not all draft picks pan out. Plus, by acquiring Horvat they did what we’ve been doing for years, which is trying to be competitive instead of just tanking. NYI will be good enough to be a 16-19 team in the league so they won’t be drafting very high any time soon. Of course, they can fluke out and win the lottery, but other than some divine intervention I don’t see them getting any top tier Matt Barzal type players anytime soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: There are 12 forwards on a team. But there are only 6 defencemen. So yes we will rebuild our defence before NYI can rebuild their forward group. We also have at least 2-3 nice prospects at D right now, so we already have some guys in the pipeline who can take the next step. NYI literally having nothing up front. It will take 5-8 years because they need like 10 more guys to build a team. Not all draft picks pan out. Plus, by acquiring Horvat they did what we’ve been doing for years, which is trying to be competitive instead of just tanking. NYI will be good enough to be a 16-19 team in the league so they won’t be drafting very high any time soon. Of course, they can fluke out and win the lottery, but other than some divine intervention I don’t see them getting any top tier Matt Barzal type players anytime soon. In 3.5 years 5 players will be off their roster that make up a lot of age and a lot of cap. When the cap goes up. Regardless of what you think it’s an option, even one we’d do and have done. That will present a lot of cap and opportunity. It’s not a guarantee, nothing ever is and any one thing can happen. Forwards don’t take long to develop and are easier to find in the draft. Even if they get 1-2 more players in the 3 years time they could. What we have is average in prospects on D. They are not bluechip their projects which is fine. I can’t say they will or won’t pan out. Anything can happen and it’s naive to assume what will be. I agree if they make anymore short cuts they’ll limit their options. I think they can go either way. I’d certainly like their chances better without LL though. Regardless it will be an interesting parallel over the next few years. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 I don't think the islanders will make the playoffs... I think our best case scenario is that they get the 13th pick. For optics purposes I don't think they'll relinquish a 10-12 OA to us in a deep draft and will just kick the can down the road as Lou will probably last this offseason and get fired mid next season if they are playing horribly. Because of this, I don't see them giving up this year's pick if it's within the top 12 because that signals the Horvat trade was a fail and they lost the draft pick as well... It'll be too fresh. So for islanders to get the 13th, where do they have to finish? 20th in the league? Is there a chance they can move up if you are 20th? Do we need Det, Minni and Cgy to overtake them or just 1-2 of those teams? Itll be fun cheering for another teams outcome as well to finish the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, CanucksJay said: I don't think the islanders will make the playoffs... I think our best case scenario is that they get the 13th pick. For optics purposes I don't think they'll relinquish a 10-12 OA to us in a deep draft and will just kick the can down the road as Lou will probably last this offseason and get fired mid next season if they are playing horribly. Because of this, I don't see them giving up this year's pick if it's within the top 12 because that signals the Horvat trade was a fail and they lost the draft pick as well... It'll be too fresh. So for islanders to get the 13th, where do they have to finish? 20th in the league? Is there a chance they can move up if you are 20th? Do we need Det, Minni and Cgy to overtake them or just 1-2 of those teams? Itll be fun cheering for another teams outcome as well to finish the season. Nashville, Buffalo, Detroit, NYI, Calgary, Minnesota, Florida, and Washington are all really tight in the standings and NYI needs to finish ahead of at least 2 of them for us to get the pick this year. Detroit is red hot, Buffalo is currently playing well, plus Ottawa is surprisingly hot and coming from behind. It's going to end up being really close. I see Washington as the most likely to falter but Minnesota and Calgary are also struggling a bit lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, Diamonds said: Nashville, Buffalo, Detroit, NYI, Calgary, Minnesota, Florida, and Washington are all really tight in the standings and NYI needs to finish ahead of at least 2 of them for us to get the pick this year. Detroit is red hot, Buffalo is currently playing well, plus Ottawa is surprisingly hot and coming from behind. It's going to end up being really close. I see Washington as the most likely to falter but Minnesota and Calgary are also struggling a bit lately. But one of Minni and Cgy will make the playoffs because the west is so bad which puts them automatically in the top 16. Looking at it currently, they are in a 3 way tie with Minni and Cgy for 17-19th place. They are however the lowest percentage for points as they've played more games than both teams. If Det manages to catch the Islanders (1 PT back and 3 games in hand) they could very well fall to 20th place. Buffalo is 3 pts back with 4 games in hand and could potentially make them fall to 21st place... Worst case scenario for us is Det and Buffalo to overtake the Islanders while the loser of Cgy or Minni (whichever team misses the playoffs ends up above NYI). They will then draft 12th and we'll miss out on a pick this year... So basically, we need 1 of Minni, Cgy, Det and Buffalo to finish below the Islanders in the standings... That gets us the top spot at 13. So it looks like the year will fi ish with the potential range being 12-15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 AB looks like a good fit with EP. I'm willing to bet he come with 15 points of Horvat next year. Isles have not looked good, even with Horvat. I think the Wings, Sabres, Sens, Preds all pass them with their games in hand. That will push the pick to an unprotected next year, which is a crazy win as the East will be a bloodbath next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 30 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: But one of Minni and Cgy will make the playoffs because the west is so bad which puts them automatically in the top 16. Looking at it currently, they are in a 3 way tie with Minni and Cgy for 17-19th place. They are however the lowest percentage for points as they've played more games than both teams. If Det manages to catch the Islanders (1 PT back and 3 games in hand) they could very well fall to 20th place. Buffalo is 3 pts back with 4 games in hand and could potentially make them fall to 21st place... Worst case scenario for us is Det and Buffalo to overtake the Islanders while the loser of Cgy or Minni (whichever team misses the playoffs ends up above NYI). They will then draft 12th and we'll miss out on a pick this year... So basically, we need 1 of Minni, Cgy, Det and Buffalo to finish below the Islanders in the standings... That gets us the top spot at 13. So it looks like the year will fi ish with the potential range being 12-15 I was thinking Nashville might jump both Calgary and Minnesota for the 8th seed which means both might miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 18 minutes ago, Diamonds said: I was thinking Nashville might jump both Calgary and Minnesota for the 8th seed which means both might miss. Oh wow in which case the pick might even move up to 11.... I think best case scenario is to end 13th and take the decision away from NY Hopefully the Islanders don't completely tank but this 3 game losing streak makes me nervous... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 4 points in 7 games…. Just wanted to point out our fan base sure jumped all over any negative topics surrounding management over the past year and they sure hide when it starts to look like management was right all along! JT > Bo Tocchet > Bruce 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, LegionOfDoom said: 4 points in 7 games…. Just wanted to point out our fan base sure jumped all over any negative topics surrounding management over the past year and they sure hide when it starts to look like management was right all along! JT > Bo Tocchet > Bruce And AB has 5 points in 6.3 games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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