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[Trade] Canucks trade Bo Horvat to Islanders for Anthony Beauvillier, Aatu Raty, 2023 1st-round draft pick


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8 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

I honestly don't think we are the minority. I just think the naysayers are really vocal. This is easily one of the best value 1sts we could have gotten. They are tenth in the Eastern conference. They are a team that can't score. I don't think many here would say Bo was the play driver. It is Petey, Hughes and Miller.

 

Will Bo magically turn them into a scoring machine? Not likely. That pick is very likely to stay around 13-19. They are 3 points shy of Washington, 2 points behind Pittsburgh who also have 3 fewer games played. I don't view Bo as that much of a difference maker. They have 2 players with 40 or more points this season. We had 5 prior to trading Horvat. If he thought he was playing with bad wingers here, wait til he gets a load of their wingers. Cause he ain't playing with Barzal and Brock Nelson.

Based on the upvotes I've gotten, you might be right

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Just now, Kenny Powers said:

It makes sense for the Isles. If Horvat doesn’t make them better, they want to pick this year.

Of course it makes sense for NYI.  No argument here

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5 minutes ago, stawns said:

I disagree.........raty yes, the rest?  No

 

 

What did you expect coming back though...A teams top C prospect, a good young or another top rhd prospect AND a 1st round pick???

 

Canucks if they dealt Bo to a contender would be getting a mid to late 20s or early 30s overall pick. Getting a potential top 15 pick in what is called a very deep draft is nothing to scoff at imo.

 

I get it, we don't nee Beauviller but I figured he would be involved in a deal to make the cap work...teams just do NOT have the cap space otherwise. Hopefully, we move 1 of Garland or Boeser out now that we have Beauvillier. Worst case, he is signed for 1 more year and gets dealt for a pick next TDL possibly. Play him with EP or put him in Bo's PP1 bumper spot??

 

This is a decent return on paper regardless on if Bo signs with the NYI or not in my opinion. If Raty can turn into a top 6 C that is a big plus for us and if Beauvillier can be a decent complimentary player maybe he has chemistry with EP or JT as his C?

 

Remember CDC...ANY trade/ draft pick or UFA signing comes with RISK!!!

 

Don't get bent out of shape about this trade, let's see what the Canucks do leading up to the TDL and where both these 2 new guys slot in...I see on capfriendly Raty is in the AHL but is that just a paper move since Canucks are off for over a week still, then he gets recalled for the road trip? I would be okay NOT rushing Raty and letting him and the other young AHL prospects like Hoglander, Karlsson and Podkolzin gain experience and go on an AHL playoff run!?!? Zero need to rush these youngsters until we trade more dead weight contracts off the NHL roster that is!

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

Then you decline and wait.  There's 5 weeks to the tdl, a lot can change in that time.  No one will convince me this is the best they could do.

A lot can change, like an injury to Horvat. Or other teams with interest move on another player. And they leave the Horvat sweepstakes. Armchair GMing works when you ignore all the bad things that can happen. 5 weeks is indeed a long time, a lot of games for him to get injured in. A lot of time for GMs to find cheaper alternatives.

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Just now, DeNiro said:

I just don’t see it. They’re more than one player away from being a playoff team.

 

That division is just too tough.

Guess we'll see, plenty of time left

 

Injuries happen and all it'd take is a string of wins while having some luck with teams ahead of them and they'd be right back in 

 

I don't think we'll be getting the pick next season, we'll see 

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17 minutes ago, -AJ- said:

I'm definitely in the minority, but I actually think we got great value considering Horvat is a pending UFA. Glad we got a 1st and Raty is a great prospect. A RHD would've been great, but specific needs aside, I think we got good value here.

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Just now, *Buzzsaw* said:

 

 

-  Bo Horvat will sign an extension with NYI for a reasonable price... Canucks fans will be surprised how cheap.

 

He will sign a reasonable deal for a non-Playoff team with no core and prospects besides Barzal and Dobson. Sorry, I have a hard time seeing that lol. 

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1 minute ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Here's my prediction for the results of this trade:

 

-  Bo Horvat will sign an extension with NYI for a reasonable price... Canucks fans will be surprised how cheap.

 

-  Bo will score close to or more than 50 goals in total for the season after being placed on the NYI #1 PP unit... he will do the same the next 2 years.

 

-  NYI will make the playoffs... and the Canucks will have a pick not eligible for the lottery and one which will not give them much of a return.

 

-  Anthony Beauvillier will play on the 3rd line in Vancouver... will continue as a serviceable but uninspiring forward.

 

-  Aatu Raty will play in the AHL for the next few years... will end up as a 3rd line center for the Canucks for a few years.

 

Trade will go down in Canuck's history as the second worst after the Cam Neely fiasco.

At least in the Neely deal the Canucks got the better player at the time

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56 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Lol!
 

Bo is not gonna do well on their PK, we have the WORST PK in the NHL!!!

 

Also, Miller is like an ace on PP who regularly set Bo up for those one timers. I say those PP numbers will go down. 
 

It’s crazy how Lou Lam calling Bo as a hood 2 way player. Guys on 650 all puzzled by that. His numbers do not show that whatsoever: 

 

Sell job…

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Have to think that an extension is incoming. Otherwise it's a strange deal for NYI as it is far from guaranteed they make the playoffs this year. Worst case scenario has the pick rolling over to '24 and the Islanders have a strong season.

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1 minute ago, N7Nucks said:

A lot can change, like an injury to Horvat. Or other teams with interest move on another player. And they leave the Horvat sweepstakes. Armchair GMing works when you ignore all the bad things that can happen. 5 weeks is indeed a long time, a lot of games for him to get injured in. A lot of time for GMs to find cheaper alternatives.

I'd take the chance.

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It's not so bad at all. All of the tankers are getting their wish, the Canucks will likely drop further down the stretch = better lottery odds

 

Plus, the Canucks acquired another 1st Round pick in a deep Draft. Be great if they could nab (RD) Reinbacher or Lukas Dragicevic with this pick.

 

Raty will now be developing as a Canuck, with Podkolzin and Hoglander.

 

Canucks have some cap space, which gives them a little more freedom to make trades. More to come I'm sure. Boeser next? 

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4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Again context.

 

Asset 1.  Traded to divisional rival with a full NTC meaning he had handcuffed the organization got an unprotected 1st and 3rd as well as a young LHD and a .5 ppg centre both under the age of 24.

 

Asset 2.  No NTC top 10 in goals etc got a small LW an unknown in a prospect and a protected 1st with retention.  His total cap hit against the Isles if my math is right is at or around $1.14 million for the year.

 

It's not really a fair comparison. Was awhile ago, flat cap now, Kesler had a Selke, trades are tight this year. Big draft coming up this year. Lots of variables. 

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5 minutes ago, stawns said:

Then you decline and wait.  There's 5 weeks to the tdl, a lot can change in that time.  No one will convince me this is the best they could do.

No one can convince you of anything Mr. Know-it-all.

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