Joni Jurmo? He’s our best prospect in the system, he should make the team

[rychicken]

On 2/2/2023 at 5:56 AM, IBatch said:

Actually that string goes all the way back to the 80's Canucks (EP).    If we really want to get into the details.   Timrafan can explain lol.  Kudos for Delorme being convinced once he went and saw him play ... pretty sure we'd have Glass without that tip though.   

[Baggins]

On 2/3/2023 at 11:29 AM, Fred65 said:

I watched Forslin in the WJC with interest. He reigned in the PP for Sweden and and was always the coaches choice for the last last minute of the period/game. He was destined IMO to become a genuine NHL'er. It took time and I guess Vcr wasn't will to wait

The problem with Forsling is he took too long to get there. Chicago traded him to Carolina. If you don't make to the NHL as a regular before hitting waiver eligible you're not likely to make it with your original team. Florida picked him up off waivers from Carolina. He's not the first to take too long and won't be the last. Look at Chatfield. It took him to 26 to make the NHL after signing two years at the league minimum on a two way contract. Calgary not only exposed Martin St Louis to the expansion draft in 2000, when he wasn't taken by either Columbus or Minny they bought out his contract. With not much interest in the offseason he signed as a ufa with Tampa (the 2nd worst team in the league) and the rest is history. There will always be late bloomers and it's not often they're still with their original team when it finally happens.

 

Next season Rathbone will be waiver elligible. He's highly unlikely to clear waivers considering his AHL numbers. So he's approaching that make it or be traded stage. He may make the NHL, but I'm not sold he'll make the NHL here.

[R3aL]

On 2/1/2023 at 4:57 PM, Odd. said:

Yes, I am that confident Jurmo is truly the best prospect we have.

 

Over Rathbone, Podkolzin, Hoglander, hell even Raty. 

 

He was ranked 20th on NHL central scouting and ranked 46th by EP, as well as 60th by Bob McKenzie.
 

Just look at his highlights:

 

He’s 6’4 198lbs. His skating ability, size, athleticism, physicality etc scouts rave about are evident. He is a true defensive defenseman with offensive instincts.

I’ll buy his ticket, this is the type of defenseman we need and he’s literally in our system!

Well let’s hope he and EP hit 

 

that would be tremendous

[Boudrias]

On 2/3/2023 at 12:29 PM, Fred65 said:

I watched Forslin in the WJC with interest. He reigned in the PP for Sweden and and was always the coaches choice for the last last minute of the period/game. He was destined IMO to become a genuine NHL'er. It took time and I guess Vcr wasn't will to wait

When you talk about time to develop I think Chatfield is a great example. Carolina played him 8 - 12 minutes for 2 years. He sat many games. They gradually upped him to 14 - 16 minutes and was doing that early this year. But Carolina is a much stronger team and could shelter his development. When he and Forsling were in Vancouver the teams were not strong. They were often in over their heads. 

[Baggins]

18 hours ago, Boudrias said:

When you talk about time to develop I think Chatfield is a great example. Carolina played him 8 - 12 minutes for 2 years. He sat many games. They gradually upped him to 14 - 16 minutes and was doing that early this year. But Carolina is a much stronger team and could shelter his development. When he and Forsling were in Vancouver the teams were not strong. They were often in over their heads. 

Forsling wasn't in Vancouver. He played in Sweden for two seasons after being drafted and was traded to Chicago just 7 months after the draft. Vancouver hadn't even signed him to a contract when he was traded. 

[Fred65]

12 minutes ago, Baggins said:

Forsling wasn't in Vancouver. He played in Sweden for two seasons after being drafted and was traded to Chicago just 7 months after the draft. Vancouver hadn't even signed him to a contract when he was traded. 

True but he ws still far better than a bag of pucks Clendening, what JB or his pro scouts ever saw in this guy is a mystery. I believe he did play at Boston Uni when JB was still with the Bruins

[nergish]

He is most certainly not our best prospect, but he definitely does have the most tantalizing tool kit.

[RU SERIOUS]

4 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

True but he ws still far better than a bag of pucks Clendening, what JB or his pro scouts ever saw in this guy is a mystery. I believe he did play at Boston Uni when JB was still with the Bruins

What Uncle Jim saw in him and many others will remain a mystery for centuries to come.  When it came to bumbling idiots that could hardley even speak and hold a conversation - I don't think anyone will ever top that idiot.   Still baffles the brain how Aqua-Lini could hire him in the first place - let alone give him and his side-kick green an extension 2 years ago, after all the pain and suffering they put fans thru after almost a decade of severe failure.     

 

Just another reason - amongst many - why Aqua-lini should sell the team.    AQUA-LINI has been and is PROBLEM #1 FOR THE CANUCKS. lets never lose sight of that!

[Fred65]

FA saw every thing that smart a$$ Gillis was, way to smart for FA liking. JB was the perfect foil

[NewbieCanuckFan]

1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

True but he ws still far better than a bag of pucks Clendening, what JB or his pro scouts ever saw in this guy is a mystery. I believe he did play at Boston Uni when JB was still with the Bruins

Clendening had real offensive skills.  Problem was he couldn't skate worth a damn.  You can get away with that at the AHL level but you'll get exposed pretty fast at the NHL level.  Same reason why former Canucks draft pick Jordan Subban (AHL allstar one year) was a bust.  Also had real offensive skills; could skate but couldn't play a lick of defense lol.  Again, you can get away with that in the minors but not "in the big show".

[Alflives]

41 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

FA saw every thing that smart a$$ Gillis was, way to smart for FA liking. JB was the perfect foil

Just imagine owning a club and your GM builds the best teams the team has ever had. Then, when that GM says it’s time to change direction, rather than listening to that GM’s advice, you fire him and replace him with Jim Benning.  What in the world was our owner thinking? 

[Fred65]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Just imagine owning a club and your GM builds the best teams the team has ever had. Then, when that GM says it’s time to change direction, rather than listening to that GM’s advice, you fire him and replace him with Jim Benning.  What in the world was our owner thinking? 

Unbelievable. Gillis was simply too smart a person who FA couldn't bully

[Fred65]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Clendening had real offensive skills.  Problem was he couldn't skate worth a damn.  You can get away with that at the AHL level but you'll get exposed pretty fast at the NHL level.  Same reason why former Canucks draft pick Jordan Subban (AHL allstar one year) was a bust.  Also had real offensive skills; could skate but couldn't play a lick of defense lol.  Again, you can get away with that in the minors but not "in the big show".

Clendening was also not a physical player, neither i suspect was Forsling but as you say Forsling could skate his way out of trouble. Any way Forsling is now being paid $2.5mill and Glandening is currently playing for the Rockford Ice Hogs. Say's it all. When i watched Forsling in the WJC I genuinely thought, we have a quality player for the future

[Baggins]

5 hours ago, Fred65 said:

True but he ws still far better than a bag of pucks Clendening, what JB or his pro scouts ever saw in this guy is a mystery. I believe he did play at Boston Uni when JB was still with the Bruins

We had a comlete lack of young players on the team and nothing worth a "bag of pucks" on the farm. Clendenning had limited NHL experience but had done well in the AHL. A gamble? Just as any prospect is. Any 5th round pick is a longshot to make the NHL and are several years away if they ever do. That trade was a good gamble. It was a good risk on Bennings part, as was Vey, to try and get some young players onto the roster quickly. 

 

*Edit*

 

I'll add this - of 30 players selected in the 2014 5th round a whopping 3 have played more 100 NHL games. That's after 8 years. That's why Benning was looking to add some young players via trades.

Edited February 6 by Baggins

[Fred65]

38 minutes ago, Baggins said:

We had a comlete lack of young players on the team and nothing worth a "bag of pucks" on the farm. Clendenning had limited NHL experience but had done well in the AHL. A gamble? Just as any prospect is. Any 5th round pick is a longshot to make the NHL and are several years away if they ever do. That trade was a good gamble. It was a good risk on Bennings part, as was Vey, to try and get some young players onto the roster quickly. 

 

*Edit*

 

I'll add this - of 30 players selected in the 2014 5th round a whopping 3 have played more 100 NHL games. That's after 8 years. That's why Benning was looking to add some young players via trades.

To be honest that's why you have scouts,, Pro and amateur to sort the wheat from the chaff.  Forsling, a youngster, had promise, Clendening not so much. I recall watchingClendening in his first game in Vcr and thinking to myself, why?

[Baggins]

45 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

To be honest that's why you have scouts,, Pro and amateur to sort the wheat from the chaff.  Forsling, a youngster, had promise, Clendening not so much. I recall watchingClendening in his first game in Vcr and thinking to myself, why?

How often are scouts wrong? Particularly 5th rounders. Scouts are wrong on top 5 and 10 picks. Every player drafted "has promise". It's why they are drafted out of thousands of players each year. Not many in later round see promise axctually come to fruition. It's a crapshoot with a real element of luck. Even moreso as you go deeper into a draft. You never truly know if a players traits and sjkills will translate to the NHL. Look at Linden Vey as an example capping out at a level below the NHL. Great AHL numbers, and goes over to the KHL and finishes top 5 in the league in scoring. But for some reason he just couldn't make that step into the NHL. Great player at a level below though.

 

You could have just as easily said "why" to Forsling at 22 as you did with Clendenning at 22. 

[Fred65]

2 hours ago, Baggins said:

How often are scouts wrong? Particularly 5th rounders. Scouts are wrong on top 5 and 10 picks. Every player drafted "has promise". It's why they are drafted out of thousands of players each year. Not many in later round see promise axctually come to fruition. It's a crapshoot with a real element of luck. Even moreso as you go deeper into a draft. You never truly know if a players traits and sjkills will translate to the NHL. Look at Linden Vey as an example capping out at a level below the NHL. Great AHL numbers, and goes over to the KHL and finishes top 5 in the league in scoring. But for some reason he just couldn't make that step into the NHL. Great player at a level below though.

 

You could have just as easily said "why" to Forsling at 22 as you did with Clendenning at 22. 

Sorry to say but not me. I liked Forsling from the first time I saw him and Clendening I just asked why this guy. I'm not patting myself on the back I assumed every one saw the same. Frankly I've neever had a lot of faith in the Pro scouts

[Fred65]

On 2/5/2023 at 6:04 PM, Baggins said:

We had a comlete lack of young players on the team and nothing worth a "bag of pucks" on the farm. Clendenning had limited NHL experience but had done well in the AHL. A gamble? Just as any prospect is. Any 5th round pick is a longshot to make the NHL and are several years away if they ever do. That trade was a good gamble. It was a good risk on Bennings part, as was Vey, to try and get some young players onto the roster quickly. 

 

*Edit*

 

I'll add this - of 30 players selected in the 2014 5th round a whopping 3 have played more 100 NHL games. That's after 8 years. That's why Benning was looking to add some young players via trades.

Yeah and one of them was Forsling

[Harold Drunken]

Jurmo is a very good D prospect, but he's most definitely not our best. There's no evidence or statistics to suggest that. He's very promising though. 

[Harold Drunken]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:51 PM, ilduce39 said:

The prospect pool isn’t great but there are some highly athletic long shots who could really pan out.  Throw Raty in that mix, too.  We really shot for the moon recently with guys like Jurmo and Klimovich. 

Lekkerimaki hasn't had a great year, people are writing him off already but he still has a really high ceiling. He's still very promising, he's 18 years old...people are so unbelievably quick to write off prospects. Tage Thomson didn't break out until 24.