103.2mph Hardest shot in NHL * Elias Petterson*

[jyu]

10 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

Juice taught him everything he knows....

“Petey, just do opposite of everything I did and you will be fine!”

 

jk this team is missing a personality like Juice right now. 

[jyu]

9 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

I'm happy for Pettersson and think he's going to be great in the future but I also promise that if he weren't a Canuck, very few people around here would care about him as a player who had never broken 70 points before this year (and of course I'm giving him credit in advance for doing so with room to spare this year).  I think he will do very well for himself if he becomes something like the Denis Savard of this era...and I think that is still very optimistic based on what we have seen to date.  Based on past performance becoming the Bernie Federko is optimistic.  I hope he keeps improving and surpasses both standards...but it's going to take a lot of good years and more continued improvement.

 

I've seen a lot of hockey.  I imagine you have too.  Just a handful years ago everybody was pumped up about All Star MVP Boeser.

 

I hope Pettersson blows my predictions out of the water.  But over the years I have also seen Jason King, Troy Gamble, Corey Hirsch, etc.

Well he is on pace to break 100 points this season while putting up insane GF/60 vs GA/60 at 5-on-5. 
 

Other reason to be optimistic is that he is a 30 goal scorer. 30 goals is a metric of consistent goal scoring abilities — something that Boeser has not yet achieved. 
 

The improvements I see from Petey year over year has me firmly believing that he is a player that we can win with. 
 

He’s improved his defensive game to the point where he could enter Selke conversation shortly. And he is scoring more consistently and not taking a day off while being dominant defensively. 
 

Not many guys can do that in the league. 

[billabong]

That was the most boring skills comp I have seen 

 

absolutely zero atmosphere 

 

[Kevin Biestra]

22 minutes ago, jyu said:

Well he is on pace to break 100 points this season while putting up insane GF/60 vs GA/60 at 5-on-5. 
 

Other reason to be optimistic is that he is a 30 goal scorer. 30 goals is a metric of consistent goal scoring abilities — something that Boeser has not yet achieved. 
 

The improvements I see from Petey year over year has me firmly believing that he is a player that we can win with. 
 

He’s improved his defensive game to the point where he could enter Selke conversation shortly. And he is scoring more consistently and not taking a day off while being dominant defensively. 
 

Not many guys can do that in the league. 

 

All indications are positive.  I think he may well be a Selke finalist more than once and his respectable defensive play is one more reason I liken him to Jari Kurri.  I just think that he might be the Kurri on a true contender.

 

Anyway, he and Hughes are the best we've got so I'll enjoy it while they do their thing.

 

 

 

[Kevin Biestra]

38 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

He is a Canuck though and you've actually helped make my point with your first line. Others don't care about him but perhaps it's time they should take notice?

 

The players you've named to somehow tie in to him? Not sure you've managed to do so. 

 

He's never broken 70 points but was injured.

 

Watch him this year, then we'll see. With a roster that's barely supported him, he's over a ppg so we'll revisit this.

 

The players I mentioned are just examples of promising futures for varying degrees of time (half of one season for Jason King but he looked like a world beater for 30 games or so).

 

Experience with this team just makes me keep an even keel.  I didn't go Boeser crazy after the All Star Game MVP.  I didn't assume Demko would be under 1.00 GAA for the rest of his career after the bubble playoffs.  I've seen Bure hit the ground running and then sprint the rest of his way for his entire career from year 2 onward.  I've seen guys look great for a year or two and then have the bottom fall out one way or another.  I saw the team move on early from Neely, Vaive, Scott Walker and Mike Peca.

 

I just wait until I see something in the hand before I anoint players anything now.  I have said before that Pettersson has had some risk of flooring out at Petr Klima, a wizard with the puck who just kind of can't get past 70 points or so and take the next step.  Kovalev was sort of another guy like that.  This seems to be Pettersson's breakout year and I think it's reasonable to assume with more confidence that this is the new Pettersson moreso than this being the new Horvat.  But even if this is the new Pettersson for good...he's still just barely a top 20 scorer.  That's good.  It's impressive.  But that's also where Stan Smyl topped out.

 

 

 

[VegasCanuck]

Pettersson is likely the most complete player Canucks have ever had. He doesn’t have Bure’s incredible speed, but he is a better overall player.

[Phil_314]

47 minutes ago, billabong said:

That was the most boring skills comp I have seen 

 

absolutely zero atmosphere 

 

Yesterday in general was so tacky
- hardest shot: standard, great to see Petey win this... and among 3 defensemen and one of the greatest one-timers in Ovie?!?!?!  Impressive.

- breakaway challenge: this Miami theme, that other theme, and they're pretty much just trying so hard to look like they're having fun
- accuracy shooting: instead of just Panarin vs. Nelson and McDavid vs Kadri in the semis, nooooo it's gotta be Battle of NY and Battle of Alberta 
- dunk tank challenge: I thought that the idea of them knocking down surfboards and then hitting the NHL logo to dunk their opponent was kind of refreshing (heh) but again, so tacky saying "it's the Rangers vs the Tkachuks" -- like stop trying to set up nonexistent rivalries! 

After watching the "highlights" for those, the rest I really couldn't be bothered.
  

Edited February 4, 2023 by Phil_314

[Kevin Biestra]

16 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Yesterday in general was so tacky
- hardest shot: standard, great to see Petey win this... and among 3 defensemen and one of the greatest one-timers in Ovie?!?!?!  Impressive.

- breakaway challenge: this Miami theme, that other theme, and they're pretty much just trying so hard to look like they're having fun
- accuracy shooting: instead of just Panarin vs. Nelson and McDavid vs Kadri in the semis, nooooo it's gotta be Battle of NY and Battle of Alberta 
- dunk tank challenge: I thought that the idea of them knocking down surfboards and then hitting the NHL logo to dunk their opponent was kind of refreshing (heh) but again, so tacky saying "it's the Rangers vs the Tkachuks" -- like stop trying to set up nonexistent rivalries! 

After watching the "highlights" for those, the rest I really couldn't be bothered.
  

 

Yeah back around, I guess the early 90s, the skills competition really had a bit more of a feel of the Olympics.  It actually mattered who was the fastest skater, who had the hardest shot.  The events were simple and basic, like a track meet, which lent an air of legitimacy.  Same as how the all star game itself has become a bit of a circus act...even the skills competition has had the same fate.

 

I'm happy for Pettersson for sure...but it felt like there was more at stake back when Iafrate was doing it for whatever reason.

[Timråfan]

36 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

The players I mentioned are just examples of promising futures for varying degrees of time (half of one season for Jason King but he looked like a world beater for 30 games or so).

 

Experience with this team just makes me keep an even keel.  I didn't go Boeser crazy after the All Star Game MVP.  I didn't assume Demko would be under 1.00 GAA for the rest of his career after the bubble playoffs.  I've seen Bure hit the ground running and then sprint the rest of his way for his entire career from year 2 onward.  I've seen guys look great for a year or two and then have the bottom fall out one way or another.  I saw the team move on early from Neely, Vaive, Scott Walker and Mike Peca.

 

I just wait until I see something in the hand before I anoint players anything now.  I have said before that Pettersson has had some risk of flooring out at Petr Klima, a wizard with the puck who just kind of can't get past 70 points or so and take the next step.  Kovalev was sort of another guy like that.  This seems to be Pettersson's breakout year and I think it's reasonable to assume with more confidence that this is the new Pettersson moreso than this being the new Horvat.  But even if this is the new Pettersson for good...he's still just barely a top 20 scorer.  That's good.  It's impressive.  But that's also where Stan Smyl topped out.

 

 

 

Don’t you remember when Petey hit the NHL his first season with linemates as Goldobin, Loui etc?

It was the year after he dominated SHL as a kid.

If Miller wasn’t here and try to steal the show from Petey you would have seen Petey reach 100 points earlier.

 Petey had to work a lot harder defensively to get his line at even strength to produce wich he now shows us. 
Petey has a way of working around obsacles in his way.

Do the players you talked about have that quality?

[Kevin Biestra]

4 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Don’t you remember when Petey hit the NHL his first season with linemates as Goldobin, Loui etc?

It was the year after he dominated SHL as a kid.

If Miller wasn’t here and try to steal the show from Petey you would have seen Petey reach 100 points earlier.

 Petey had to work a lot harder defensively to get his line at even strength to produce wich he now shows us. 
Petey has a way of working around obsacles in his way.

Do the players you talked about have that quality?

 

Sure the players I mentioned have that quality.  Gamble kept at it until concussions made it impossible.  Corey Hirsch fought through mental illness to have a career.

 

You seriously think Pettersson would have had 100 points in a season already if not for JT Miller?  You can't be serious.  Isn't it Pettersson who was benefiting from more possession because JT was taking his faceoffs for him?

 

 

 

 

[Timråfan]

3 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Sure the players I mentioned have that quality.  Gamble kept at it until concussions made it impossible.  Corey Hirsch fought through mental illness to have a career.

 

You seriously think Pettersson would have had 100 points in a season already if not for JT Miller?  You can't be serious.  Isn't it Pettersson who was benefiting from more possession because JT was taking his faceoffs for him?

 

 

 

 

Yes, Petey was almost a PPG player in his first season without Hughes and Miller.

Take Miller out of the equation and Petey is the receiver of Hughes first pass on left side and Petey gets one point of almost every quick goal on left side.

 

You can count Millers points and check how many he got on the left side feeded by Hughes.

Miller often held Petey out of play, used him as a scapegoat if that is a better word.

[Fred65]

Did I hear right EP uses an 87 flex ?

Edited February 4, 2023 by Fred65

[Phil_314]

40 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

Yeah back around, I guess the early 90s, the skills competition really had a bit more of a feel of the Olympics.  It actually mattered who was the fastest skater, who had the hardest shot.  The events were simple and basic, like a track meet, which lent an air of legitimacy.  Same as how the all star game itself has become a bit of a circus act...even the skills competition has had the same fate.

 

I'm happy for Pettersson for sure...but it felt like there was more at stake back when Iafrate was doing it for whatever reason.

Not even sure if it's about it "actually mattering" but more like people presume (likely rightly so) that, for instance, McDavid is the fastest skater.  For Petey's case though, it probably does have legitimacy at least for his legacy.  As a 180 lb. forward, beating Ovie at 238 lb./ Seth Jones at 213 lb./ Morrissey at 195/ Dahlin at 207 makes it all the more impressive for him, when (as probably mentioned before) it's typically a defenseman-dominated event where most guys are above 200 lbs. (e.g. Hedman last time, Weber before at 106; and Petey matched his countryman's 103.2).

[Kevin Biestra]

1 minute ago, Phil_314 said:

Not even sure if it's about it "actually mattering" but more like people presume (likely rightly so) that, for instance, McDavid is the fastest skater.  For Petey's case though, it probably does have legitimacy at least for his legacy.  As a 180 lb. forward, beating Ovie at 238 lb./ Seth Jones at 213 lb./ Morrissey at 195/ Dahlin at 207 makes it all the more impressive for him, when (as probably mentioned before) it's typically a defenseman-dominated event where most guys are above 200 lbs. (e.g. Hedman last time, Weber before at 106; and Petey matched his countryman's 103.2).

 

It's a nice thought but I think suggesting it matters for his legacy might be getting caught up in the moment a bit.  These little things...if they actually do end up being in the first paragraph of a player's bio...it kind of means things didn't pan out.  Like the Chris Kontos or John Druce playoff runs of the early 90s.  That was the talk of the NHL and hockey fans for a year or two...now nobody knows who either player is.  They were both legends for a few months.  Iafrate is now basically remembered only for his 100 mph slap shot at the All Star Game.  At that same All Star Game or one shortly after, the sensor didn't work for Doug Wilson, so he had to take about 10 slapshots before one got measured.  His arms were tired and he still put up a 98 or something.  He had maybe the hardest shot of all time - took off Paul Cavallini's finger with it.  But nobody cares about or remembers Paul Cavallini's finger or that broken sensor...they are footnotes of footnotes because Wilson won a Norris Trophy and is in the Hall of Fame.

 

It's a fine achievement for Pettersson.  But look at how quickly we've mostly forgotten or moved past Boeser's actual All Star Game MVP.

 

 

[Phil_314]

13 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

It's a nice thought but I think suggesting it matters for his legacy might be getting caught up in the moment a bit.  These little things...if they actually do end up being in the first paragraph of a player's bio...it kind of means things didn't pan out.  Like the Chris Kontos or John Druce playoff runs of the early 90s.  That was the talk of the NHL and hockey fans for a year or two...now nobody knows who either player is.  They were both legends for a few months.  Iafrate is now basically remembered only for his 100 mph slap shot at the All Star Game.  At that same All Star Game or one shortly after, the sensor didn't work for Doug Wilson, so he had to take about 10 slapshots before one got measured.  His arms were tired and he still put up a 98 or something.  He had maybe the hardest shot of all time - took off Paul Cavallini's finger with it.  But nobody cares about or remembers Paul Cavallini's finger or that broken sensor...they are footnotes of footnotes because Wilson won a Norris Trophy and is in the Hall of Fame.

 

It's a fine achievement for Pettersson.  But look at how quickly we've mostly forgotten or moved past Boeser's actual All Star Game MVP.

Fair points; hopefully Petey does have ASG MVPs and Hart/ Smythe/ Richard/ Ross/ Selke trophies in his future so that this win yesterday is on icing on the cake that is his career.

[BPA]

EP needs to unleash that shot more often on the PP.  Too bad for the defense if they block it.

[Curmudgeon]

6 hours ago, tas said:

if you're going to be a misogynist, at least be clever about it and say "chickmunks".

 

ideally neither though. 

Amen. There are too many people on here that want to diminish the contributions made by the women in the organization. Cammi Granato has a big role in scouting, a role she had with Seattle in the lead up to the expansion draft. Unlike Vegas, which turned over almost everybody within a year or two, Seattle has 13 expansion picks still in their lineup. I guess the scouting helped. Emilie Castonguay negotiates contracts and looks after the cap. Dan Milstein singled her out for praise in the negotiation of Kuzmenko's extension. Each woman works quietly behind the scenes and are making significant contributions to the team. They don't deserve to be dismissed because they are women or  demeaned by being labelled Chipmunks. 

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Yeah back around, I guess the early 90s, the skills competition really had a bit more of a feel of the Olympics.  It actually mattered who was the fastest skater, who had the hardest shot.  The events were simple and basic, like a track meet, which lent an air of legitimacy.  Same as how the all star game itself has become a bit of a circus act...even the skills competition has had the same fate.

 

I'm happy for Pettersson for sure...but it felt like there was more at stake back when Iafrate was doing it for whatever reason.

EPs career arc should propel him into stardom - where exactly is still not scripted.   Kovalev would be one heck of a career .... there was a time when some felt the guy was the most skilled on the planet but just couldn't make it work due to effort.   Don't think that's going to be EP, but also think he's got a ways to go to get into that range still - and should make it.    Most players have their best seasons older than he is now....and he's got the IT factor when it comes to training and drilling.   Naslund and the Sedins took off older than he his now.  

 

As for the All-star game absolutely agree.  It did use to have a track star meet to it.   Anyone could do the fastest skater, and they only took the top guys...as mentioned and maybe someone can post this - the 1996 fastest skater competition was the best i've ever seen.   And had guys like Hedican, Sean Mecheran, Plant going at it with Federov,  Amonte, Bondra, and the comissioners choice in Gartner who'd been around forever (17 years) competing .... with a whistle start - no cones outlining the inside track (these guys did the outside of the rink, sometimes hitting it) qualifying in the mid 13's .... McDavid ... wouldn't be at all special in that class and hasn't done a lap faster then Gartner yet, same as Larkin.   When you get to start before the whistle, have the time started after your first stride or two, even doing the inside track is going to add significant time.   Bure was so fast one year, fell behind the net and still beat some of the guys yesterdays time.    Gartner ... the idea the games faster is correct - removing the redline and adding another pass, and taking obstruction and most of the hitting out of the game puts the camera on a swivel.  

 

Not saying there isn't fast players today because of course there are.   But it's not like there wasn't fast players back then either.    As for the hardest shot,  that's the sticks.   Give them all wooden ones and see if anyone can pound it harder than Wilson, Al Mac and Ifrate.    As for goalies ... well before the league watered itself down and obstruction became the counter, Roy's .905 was sparkling ... later added .10-.15 during the dead puck era like everyone else. 

[RU SERIOUS]

7 hours ago, tas said:

if you're going to be a misogynist, at least be clever about it and say "chickmunks".

 

ideally neither though. 

Interesting suggestion but Chick-Munks would come across as sexist which would upset many millenials and therefore inappropriate as everyone simply knows them as "Alvin and the Chipmunk Girls" for being the jovial cartoon characters they are,

Edited February 4, 2023 by RU SERIOUS

[tas]

2 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said:

Interesting suggestion but Chick-Munks would come across as sexist which would upset many millenials !

referring to their sex and/or gender in a context where it's utterly irrelevant is already being sexist, so you don't really need to worry about how it comes across. 

 

by the way, why do derek clancey, dale tallon and ryan johnson get a pass with you? or are they among the "chipmunk girls"?