ShawnAntoski Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: Not just Benning. The Canucks haven't had competent management since Nonis. How about Francesco ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, iinatcc said: I am assuming this award is just not based on drafting and trading but also overall management of a team. Stuff like sleep doctors and his push for analytics attributed to him winning that award I think. There was a lot of praise of how innovative Gillis was when he was the GM to the point that free agents would want to join the team at a discount. Gillis was very creative but his (lack of) creativity on draft day tarnished his legacy, as the Canucks GM & PoHO. Perhaps in an alternative universe, he could had remained as PoHO and hired JB (or someone else) as his GM, instead of one person having dual roles and dealing with Francesco directly ? Anyways, looking at the yearly results since the 2011 finals and based on points percentage the Canucks has been stuck in the middle - but the endeavor to chase the middle, continues to be very profitable for Francesco. Edited February 16, 2023 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Gillis was very creative but his creativity on draft day tarnished his legacy as the Canucks GM & PoHO. Perhaps he could had remained as PoHO and hired JB as his GM ? Instead of one person having dual roles and dealing with Francesco directly. I think Gillis admitted his mistake that he didn't overhaul the scouting department he took over from Nonis. So yes there's something to that. Having said that I assume the way he ran the everyday operations especially in team nutrition and finding ways to maximize output more than made up his poor drafting (at least in the eyes of the voters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, iinatcc said: I think Gillis admitted his mistake that he didn't overhaul the scouting department he took over from Nonis. So yes there's something to that. Having said that I assume the way he ran the everyday operations especially in team nutrition and finding ways to maximize output more than made up his poor drafting (at least in the eyes of the voters). Gillis has earned his reputation as Canucks GM. I remember an interview he made, in which he acknowledge that he was experimenting in drafting players that are older, with the assumption that they are closer to the NHL: Mallet in the 2nd round; and with hindsight it seems he undervalued the importance of drafting & development in building up a roster and preferred the more splashy & expensive route of roster building through trades & FA. Imo, he was the GM of a team that someone else had build up (very much like JR in Pitsburgh) and he gave JB, a roster that was on the decline with a VERY shallow prospect pool. Edited February 16, 2023 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 I mean, I think a good many of us predicted this season being bad when they added forwards in the offseason and rolled a somehow worse blueline than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, ShawnAntoski said: Gillis was very creative but his (lack of) creativity on draft day tarnished his legacy, as the Canucks GM & PoHO. Perhaps in an alternative universe, he could had remained as PoHO and hired JB (or someone else) as his GM, instead of one person having dual roles and dealing with Francesco directly ? Anyways, looking at the yearly results since the 2011 finals and based on points percentage the Canucks has been stuck in the middle - but the endeavor to chase the middle, continues to be very profitable for Francesco. When will folks stop judging a GM due to drafting? The GM got scouts doing that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Timråfan said: When will folks stop judging a GM due to drafting? The GM got scouts doing that. plus drafting is probably like 10 %to 20% of a GM's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 27 minutes ago, iinatcc said: plus drafting is probably like 10 %to 20% of a GM's job. Not even that much. I would say max 5% If it’s more they neglect all other aspects of being the top dog in an organisation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Gillis was very creative but his (lack of) creativity on draft day tarnished his legacy, as the Canucks GM & PoHO. Perhaps in an alternative universe, he could had remained as PoHO and hired JB (or someone else) as his GM, instead of one person having dual roles and dealing with Francesco directly ? Anyways, looking at the yearly results since the 2011 finals and based on points percentage the Canucks has been stuck in the middle - but the endeavor to chase the middle, continues to be very profitable for Francesco. when your team is doing well in the standings for many years like the gillis era was.. chances are your prospect pool is going to be weak.. is anyone complaining about julian briesbois prospect pool?? tampa bay in their last 9 years worth of draft.. really hit a jackpot on brayden point.. thats about it.. well cirelli too i guess.. outside of that.. they have literally got nothing worth getting excited about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 For the first time ever, I'm actually happy they are losing. And please no sudden turn of pace, and winning runs, as we are getting closer and closer to a pick of real value.... Keep on losing boys. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, spook007 said: For the first time ever, I'm actually happy they are losing. And please no sudden turn of pace, and winning runs, as we are getting closer and closer to a pick of real value.... Keep on losing boys. oh you know it's happening Edited February 16, 2023 by iinatcc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Not even that much. I would say max 5% If it’s more they neglect all other aspects of being the top dog in an organisation. Nah..... At this stage improving the organisation is everything, and drafting is a big part of this. They may choose to trade their draft picks, but if not its all that matters now. Edited February 16, 2023 by spook007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, iinatcc said: oh you know it's happening Yes unfortunately... Its as sure as dropping draft position during the lottery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, spook007 said: Yes unfortunately... Its as sure as dropping draft position during the lottery... That last 6 games in that Matthews draft year 4-2 in the last 6 including beating all 3 California teams (where Canucks would get destroyed that season) if Vancouver didn't win those games Canucks would have been last overall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Just now, iinatcc said: That last 6 games in that Matthews draft year 4-2 in the last 6 including beating all 3 California teams (where Canucks would get destroyed that season) if Vancouver didn't win those games Canucks would have been last overall Yes I remember with anger, how they suddenly looked like a SC contender at the end off the season. Also remember Crawford hoping Canucks would drop to the bottom and draft Matthews, whom he knew from Switzerland.... But a last swan song for the Sedins scuppered that idea... and left us with OJ instead... It could hardly have gone much worse... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, spook007 said: Nah..... At this stage improving the organisation is everything, and drafting is a big part of this. They may choose to trade their draft picks, but if not its all that matters now. Nahh, if the GM trust his scouts he just have to accept the pick and tge GM can concentrate on everything else. Is it only 0.001 percent now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Do we get a participation ribbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, spook007 said: For the first time ever, I'm actually happy they are losing. And please no sudden turn of pace, and winning runs, as we are getting closer and closer to a pick of real value.... Keep on losing boys. I like how we are losing too. Still scoring goals. Goaltending alone probably puts us closer to the mushy middle. Demko. Hope they don't rush him. And barely play him. But when he does we win more then lose. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, iinatcc said: plus drafting is probably like 10 %to 20% of a GM's job. You can't have it both ways. You can't give the excuse that drafting is 10-20% of a GM's job, then blame another GM for terrible choices at the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said: You can't have it both ways. You can't give the excuse that drafting is 10-20% of a GM's job, then blame another GM for terrible choices at the draft. which GM are you referring to? If you mean Benning I always thought he was better record at drafting than Gillis. The problem was Benning was that he was worse in everything else. Edited February 16, 2023 by iinatcc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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