EB43 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Trade both firsts for project players!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Timråfan said: When will folks stop judging a GM due to drafting? The GM got scouts doing that. Are you not aware, that one of a GMs' duty vs a scout ? And how has Gillis & JBs' decision to build up through FA & trades turned out ? Gillis fan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: Nahh, if the GM trust his scouts he just have to accept the pick and tge GM can concentrate on everything else. Is it only 0.001 percent now? It keep sinking time.... if the GM trust his scouts great... that's what Mike Gillis did, and that didn't work out too well. At this time they need to ensure they know exactly what the next steps for this organisation is, and the draft is a major part of this now. If the GM isn't strong at evaluating, he will naturaly leave this to the persons, who he put in charge of this, but if his own job prior to being a GM was scouting, it would be very odd, if he didn't take a solid interest in it. Lets just hope, we can make a few more moves and add another 1st.... this draft (or maybe this and the next) could become franchise defining for the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Are you not aware, that one of a GMs' duty vs a scout ? And how has Gillis & JBs' decision to build up through FA & trades turned out ? Gillis fan ? I'm thinking a GM is way too busy to be a scout too. Benning, sadly, decided his "stink eye" was so good that he could watch a prospect for a few games and then make a decision to overrule what scouts (who had been tracking the prospects for years) preferred. Like OJ. and then the almost error of passing on Petey for Glass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 LFGGGGGGG To the bottommmmmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alflives Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, spook007 said: It keep sinking time.... if the GM trust his scouts great... that's what Mike Gillis did, and that didn't work out too well. At this time they need to ensure they know exactly what the next steps for this organisation is, and the draft is a major part of this now. If the GM isn't strong at evaluating, he will naturaly leave this to the persons, who he put in charge of this, but if his own job prior to being a GM was scouting, it would be very odd, if he didn't take a solid interest in it. Lets just hope, we can make a few more moves and add another 1st.... this draft (or maybe this and the next) could become franchise defining for the team... A GM should not manage down. He should focus on hiring the best scouts and then give them whatever they need to do their job the best. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: when your team is doing well in the standings for many years like the gillis era was.. chances are your prospect pool is going to be weak.. is anyone complaining about julian briesbois prospect pool?? tampa bay in their last 9 years worth of draft.. really hit a jackpot on brayden point.. thats about it.. well cirelli too i guess.. outside of that.. they have literally got nothing worth getting excited about. Tampas' roster is mainly built up through the draft and why not go past 9 years to include the Gillis years ? Cause Kuch is still with them and Palat was a solid player for Tampa before he left for NJ vs Conaughton for Gillis. You are just making excuses for Gillis cause he has earned the criticism and credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 54 minutes ago, IBatch said: I like how we are losing too. Still scoring goals. Goaltending alone probably puts us closer to the mushy middle. Demko. Hope they don't rush him. And barely play him. But when he does we win more then lose. I swear to god, that I worry more about them screwing this up, than anything else at the moment. If they need to learn, how to properly derend, let them learn it next season... With a bit of dealing/luck we could go into this draft with 3 1st round picks... The next 2 drafts could be franchise defining. Here's hoping. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: I'm thinking a GM is way too busy to be a scout too. Benning, sadly, decided his "stink eye" was so good that he could watch a prospect for a few games and then make a decision to overrule what scouts (who had been tracking the prospects for years) preferred. Like OJ. and then the almost error of passing on Petey for Glass. JB deservingly should get the credit for the hits and misses... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: A GM should not manage down. He should focus on hiring the best scouts and then give them whatever they need to do their job the best. If he has the ability to pick out talents, it would be odd not to use his ability. That does not mean he shouldn't trust and use his scouts, but why on earth would you suddenly take the blind passenger seat, if you can drive? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 6 hours ago, CanucksCountry said: won that off Burke's and Nonis's core So if we ever win something with EP, then will Benning get the credit as the mastermind of that trophy? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: I'm thinking a GM is way too busy to be a scout too. Benning, sadly, decided his "stink eye" was so good that he could watch a prospect for a few games and then make a decision to overrule what scouts (who had been tracking the prospects for years) preferred. Like OJ. and then the almost error of passing on Petey for Glass. You don't know any of this Alf. its not like all the scouts says he should draft Petey? Any Head scout will collect the information gathered from all the scouts, and then its up to the scouts to explain, why their guy should be the chosen one... Its not as if they only hear about the top prospects 2 months prior to the draft. With regards to OJ, there was a lot of interest in him, as he was thought, to be the d-man with the highest floor... I remember CDC at the time, it was split between the folks that wanted Tkachuk and a Dman. And of the Dmen on show, OJ was thought to be the one with the highest floor... Hindsight is always great, and yes there were far better choices to be had, like Chychun, but there were others who also saw red flags with him, hence he fell all the way to Arizona. Benning was decent at drafting. Unfortunately not at anything else... Edited February 16, 2023 by spook007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 7 hours ago, CanucksCountry said: won that off Burke's and Nonis's core Most playoff rounds won by a GM in Canucks history: Pat Quinn - 6 Mike Gillis - 5 Jake Milford - 3 Jim Benning - 2 Brian Burke - 1 Dave Nonis - 1 The only thing that matters in hockey is playoff success. Quinn is our greatest GM ever. Followed by Gillis. I don’t buy the Burke and Nonis bs. They couldn’t even win 2 rounds in the playoffs with those teams. Maybe Burkie should have invested some time in actually finding a goalie who could stop a puck in the playoffs. If he had done that he would have won the cup. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 51 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Tampas' roster is mainly built up through the draft and why not go past 9 years to include the Gillis years ? Cause Kuch is still with them and Palat was a solid player for Tampa before he left for NJ vs Conaughton for Gillis. You are just making excuses for Gillis cause he has earned the criticism and credit. so again the past 8-9 years when tampa was competitive.. what did their prospect pool look like? trash.. grats he hit on players 10 years ago when tampa was still a tanking team. so why are we not complaining about briebois prospect pool during the time when his team is competitive? oh right most team that are competitive for sustain amount of years tend to have little to no prospect drafted. Did Gillis personally go watch every single drafted pick and decides this is the guy i want? the scouting departent left behind by past management did and recommend told him who to pick. would he know right off the bat the player he was recommended to draft would turn out to be a dud?? prolly not for 4-5 years based on where they were picking.. he wouldn't even have time to replace the scouting department because he wouldn't even know his scouting department recommended him all duds. gillis biggest failure was to recognize his scouting department sucked early on and replace them. not his drafting sucks because he wasn't the one that scouted and decided to draft so and so. compared to benning? gillis failure is minuscle compared to benning.. benning literally sucked at everything including drafting and set this franchise so far back they might end up tearing it right down to the ground if this current management can't convince EP to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 hours ago, CanucksCountry said: won that off Burke's and Nonis's core Gillis brought in players like Hamuis , Lappy, Torress, Ehrhoff, Higgy.......who were all instrumental in that run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 10 hours ago, iinatcc said: Ummm the King live by different rule than the rest of us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 25 minutes ago, Canuck You said: Gillis brought in players like Hamuis , Lappy, Torress, Ehrhoff, Higgy.......who were all instrumental in that run. nope, those guys could have been Megna, Chaputie, Vey, Pouliot and the Kaos Giraffe and we'd have done just fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 hours ago, spook007 said: If he has the ability to pick out talents, it would be odd not to use his ability. That does not mean he shouldn't trust and use his scouts, but why on earth would you suddenly take the blind passenger seat, if you can drive? yes but isn't the prez involved in other things Didn't Gillis work to get the Canucks a better schedule? and hasn't that collapsed since he left (take next week as an example) I would think a good scouting GM should also have the task of finding like minded, skilled scouts that was not Gillis' forte, he was an agent, and he brought in Gilman, that most fans were happy with Gillis did fail at reshaping the scouting staff Benning was the scout, but he failed at picking/ retaining quality scouts if you are a great typist, you don't become president and retain your spot in the typing pool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 10 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Rutherfords three cups say you’re full of shit on that one. What? Thats like saying that since Schenn has won a cup, he is automatically an elite level defender,..... What someone's done in the past, does not dictate what they are currently. So far, JR has not done anything to prove himself with this organization. In fact you could argue that his tenure so far his barely been above an "F" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 It's only zero to two decimal places. There's still a chance! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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