Popular Post Bad_BOI_pete Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) ******* TRIGGER WARNING****** The following post contains the analysis of canucks players using "controversial" science... its of the OP's opinion that this science is used by all modern teams now, the data is to be used with a grain of salt. Analytics can be wrong especially if the info is not interpreted correctly, but if you take the time to understand the science behind each stat it can be a valuable tool in your tool bet. Finally!!! my favorite website has accumulated enough data for me to compare our players! I thought it would be neat to compare boudreau d-lines vs Tocchets... I will also be analyzing EP40 with Kuz, Mik and AB... analyzing forward lines takes alot of time and work so i will just start from here (this took 5 hours)... first I will display 6 graphs that displays corsi,Dangerous shots and goals for VS quality of competition for the forwards and Defenceman... TLDR: The graphs and charts "prove" what alot of us has been saying...Myers and OEL are being overpaid for their output. Hughes and EP are great players that improve everyone's performance whoever they play with. AB, Kuzmenko,Mikheyev, Schenn and Bear all have Huge boosts when playing with these players... our second third and 4th line are all getting out shot, out chanced, and out scored... every non quinn hughes D line is generally... getting out shot out chanced and out scored, except for a few 4th line or bottom 9 opponents... when garland and podkolzin play their line mates take the majority of shots, but still get out chanced and outscored... The data tends to point that OEL, Stillman and Burroughs make alot of errors in their end... the data tends to point that either Dries boeser and miller are making mistakes defensively or are having hard times getting chances to score in high danger areas and converting those chances.... The data also "proves" that the goalies are under performing... the GF% compared to the corsi and DFF% shows that their is a significant drop in GF% across the entire team, which in my opinion is directly and mostly related to the goaltenders performance... Graphs: all Even Strength *please note that for out players that have played 20 or less games we should not be putting too much thought into the GF%... Luck is a major factor in hockey and yes that means Pearson too. Forwards - x axis- Dangerous fenwick shots %.... AKA shots from high scoring areas... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition EP40 and Kuzmenko get the most scoring chances and out perform the competition... and all though not enough significant data... Lockwood Di-Guiseppe and AB have promising results Forwards - x axis- Corsi %.... AKA all shots on the net (including missed shots, blocked shots, saves, goals)... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition A little different from the Dangerous shots, we can see here that as we all know that Garland and podkolzin fire from everywhere... and usually are controlling the play when on the ice, but they are just not getting off quality chances... we can also see that Lockwood dropped off compared to Dangerous shots.... JT Miller horvat, Dries, Mikheyev,Boeser where about equal with their competition on shots on net, but were way behind for dangerous shots... AB, Kuzmenko. Di Guiseppe and EP are controlling the play and getting off dangerous chances Forwards - x axis- goal for %... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition We can see here that our GF% for pretty much all our forwards drop off compared to the dangerous shots except Garland,Mikheyev and Horvat actually improved. Podkolzin, EP, Kuzmenko stayed about the same and everyone else dropped compared to Dangerous chances... What this means is that either our goalies are being out performed or our forwards are not converting their chances... except for Mikheyev,EP,Kuzmenko and Horvat who are Burying their chances... Garland is scoring by just shooting ALOT if we had a better goalie he would likely move into the positive... Defense - x axis- Dangerous fenwick shots %.... AKA shots from high scoring areas... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition Here we can see... our team sucks... Bear playing as a 5th defenseman is the only defender that is outplaying the competition, Even when hughes is on the ice we are giving up more High scoring chances (this has alot to do with having 2 4th lines for most of the season) and Yes Schenn is being carried by hughes (more on that later, yikes) Suprisingly OEL and Myers do not have terrible numbers here... to me this says they are doing an average job... especially considering our 4th lines... regardless though they are doing a similar job that defenders making 4-5 million do, so its a fail. Defense - x axis- Corsi %.... AKA all shots on the net (including missed shots, blocked shots, saves, goals)... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition This graph looks almost the exact same except for Hughes... when hughes is on the ice we are outshooting the opponent... the fact that his dangerous shots drop compared to corsi likely is a result of the two 4th lines we are playing with... we can see small improvements from OEL,stillman and myers here... everyone else stayed constant...and the fact than Schenns numbers didnt improve along with Hughes shows that when Hughes is playing with other defenceman he is starting in the Ozone Defense - x axis- goal for %... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition Scary right? here we see that our goalies are being out performed...... yikes.... and or our forwards are not burying their chances... which i say is true, but not as significant. we can also see that yes our eye tests are right OEL,Stillman and Burroughs are making gaffs in their own zone (they had a much higher drop off comparably to their line mates) Hughes is elite... this graph shows that... this graph along with the corsi and DFF% shows that he creates scoring chances that are not normally in area that are typical of DFF% the fact that the DFF% is his lowest stat and then the corsi improves on that and then the GF% improves on that shows this... Hughes is amazing. 52% corsi >58% GF Schenn did improve his corsi to go along with hughes but not at the same rate 46% > 51% I will show later that Schenn and hughes are used in the dzone quite commonly Thats it for the charts... its not just our dmen... we need to improve our 4th and 3rd line.... BUT!!! lets see how our D pairings are performing under tocchet... we have the technology! Here is the website i use to collect all this data and build these charts.... Little Glossary EVTOI: even stregtn Time on ice CF%: Corsi for % CF%RC :the difference of corsi% relative to their team mates DFF%: Dangerous scoring chances GF% :goal for % ONSH%: on ice shooting percentage of teammates ONSV%: on ice save percentage of teammates PDO: the combined score of ONSV% and ONSH% 1000 is considered break even OZS%: the % of faceoffs taken in the ozone GF: goals for GA : Goals Against of course schenn vs Hughes first... please note that this does include 3vs3 stats... Well its no surprise Hughes and schenn complement each other... despite their overwhelmingly defensive zone starts they pretty much improve across the board when playing with each other but the notable thing i see is the GF% for schenn when he is not playing with hughes... he gets scored on ALOT without Hughes, mean while Hughes is still succeeding. Proof that hughes helps schenns game. Players WMTier EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA Quinn Hughes without Luke Schenn Elite 127.70 52.20 9.82 51.00 10.11 58.80 11.36 88.71 1,001.00 49.28 10.00 7.00 Luke Schenn without Quinn Hughes Elite 86.13 46.30 2.41 48.80 6.66 33.30 5.26 90.48 957.00 36.00 2.00 4.00 Luke Schenn with Quinn Hughes Elite 146.83 39.90 -5.35 36.70 -7.59 66.70 14.04 95.56 1,096.00 34.95 8.00 4.00 Luke Schenn and Quinn Hughes both off Elite 380.53 42.50 -3.31 40.60 -4.63 38.50 8.82 89.38 982.00 40.32 15.00 24.00 Quinn Hughes without Luke Schenn Middle 164.50 58.40 9.87 53.80 7.71 47.10 9.09 85.94 950.00 66.30 8.00 9.00 Luke Schenn without Quinn Hughes Middle 87.27 47.50 -3.32 47.30 -0.22 28.60 4.44 89.80 942.00 43.90 2.00 5.00 Luke Schenn with Quinn Hughes Middle 151.18 47.60 -3.44 46.50 -1.19 45.00 12.33 84.51 968.00 48.48 9.00 11.00 Luke Schenn and Quinn Hughes both off Middle 408.05 49.10 -2.60 45.70 -3.77 37.50 5.85 90.48 963.00 47.21 12.00 20.00 Quinn Hughes without Luke Schenn Gritensity 173.88 60.20 10.42 52.90 1.18 61.10 12.64 89.71 1,023.00 69.14 11.00 7.00 Luke Schenn without Quinn Hughes Gritensity 111.37 44.30 -8.89 40.30 -13.82 35.70 10.20 87.32 975.00 63.01 5.00 9.00 Luke Schenn with Quinn Hughes Gritensity 144.42 51.20 -0.75 51.40 -0.66 78.60 16.92 95.31 1,122.00 54.76 11.00 3.00 Luke Schenn and Quinn Hughes both off Gritensity 406.07 51.00 -1.55 55.50 6.91 39.50 8.29 85.64 939.00 52.94 17.00 26.00 Hughes and Bear Are used mostly in the Ozone which is good, because schenn seems to be much better defensively with hughes... But Bear and Hughes make up for that in the goal scoring department... They out score the opponent 1.6 : 1 GF compared with schenn 1.55 : 1 ....very similar but a small improvement... Team Players EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA VAN Quintin Hughes without Ethan Bear 160.7833333 43.8 0.2516129032 43.2 -0.2911660777 61.5 9.87654321 94.50549451 1044 36.19047619 8 5 VAN Ethan Bear without Quintin Hughes 118.5333333 45.5 2.271397616 46.5 3.762889879 36.4 8.163265306 88.33333333 965 41.25 4 7 VAN Ethan Bear with Quintin Hughes 57.61666667 50.9 8.028810226 53.3 10.98159666 42.9 7.894736842 84.61538462 925 50 3 4 VAN Ethan Bear and Quintin Hughes both off 266.7 41.2 -4.385874799 40.2 -5.996911197 34.5 8.547008547 88.88888889 974 39.63414634 10 19 VAN Quintin Hughes without Ethan Bear 161.2 52.2 3.697005988 50.1 5.509123823 40.9 10 82.89473684 929 52.22222222 9 13 VAN Ethan Bear without Quintin Hughes 136.5166667 47.6 -2.344629014 43.2 -3.637725381 42.9 4.054054054 94.20289855 983 48.7804878 3 4 VAN Ethan Bear with Quintin Hughes 82.83333333 53.7 4.804417671 44 -2.243120364 66.7 15 90.625 1056 59.01639344 6 3 VAN Ethan Bear and Quintin Hughes both off 256.25 47.4 -3.506344411 45.5 -0.8648076569 39.3 9.482758621 87.5 970 41.73228346 11 17 VAN Quintin Hughes without Ethan Bear 186.35 50.3 -2.299388379 46.7 -6.941276377 76.5 16.4556962 95.40229885 1119 53.125 13 4 VAN Ethan Bear without Quintin Hughes 158.15 48 -5.106796117 56.5 5.66739702 35.7 5.952380952 87.32394366 933 52.38095238 5 9 VAN Ethan Bear with Quintin Hughes 102.15 67.7 17.8300954 64 13.61849192 70 11.86440678 90.625 1025 74.07407407 7 3 VAN Ethan Bear and Quintin Hughes both off 313.3166667 50.6 -2.455916775 49.4 -4.68323176 37.1 8.843537415 86.16352201 950 57.8313253 13 22 OEL and Myers What a terrible pairing... when they play together they create the ultimate tank pairing... Boudreau trusted hughes and schenn more in our dzone with the elite players and utilized oel and myers for dzone starts with the bottom 9 competition.... and they were terrible... they were outscored 1.8 : 1 Outshot and out chanced by big margins... Players WMTier EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% FO/60 GF GA Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Tyler Myers Elite 119.77 48.80 6.62 48.30 7.70 42.90 11.11 87.30 984.00 47.56 59.11 6.00 8.00 Tyler Myers without Oliver Ekman-Larsson Elite 134.97 46.20 3.69 44.60 3.49 46.20 8.33 91.25 996.00 31.88 42.68 6.00 7.00 Tyler Myers with Oliver Ekman-Larsson Elite 163.88 39.30 -5.09 36.20 -7.36 45.00 11.84 89.62 1,015.00 46.55 68.83 9.00 11.00 Tyler Myers and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off Elite 300.07 41.80 -2.42 41.00 -1.40 45.80 8.46 92.07 1,005.00 35.64 57.59 11.00 13.00 Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Tyler Myers Middle 157.78 50.00 1.34 47.90 1.21 43.80 8.24 89.41 976.00 41.94 55.52 7.00 9.00 Tyler Myers without Oliver Ekman-Larsson Middle 153.37 52.60 4.48 54.20 8.81 50.00 10.00 88.06 981.00 48.15 34.43 8.00 8.00 Tyler Myers with Oliver Ekman-Larsson Middle 159.30 46.70 -2.70 40.90 -7.44 20.00 2.90 90.80 937.00 37.86 63.28 2.00 8.00 Tyler Myers and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off Middle 391.62 48.00 -1.70 46.30 -1.09 45.20 10.22 87.15 974.00 55.41 54.24 19.00 23.00 Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Tyler Myers Gritensity 160.83 49.20 -2.51 50.60 -1.01 41.20 8.97 88.24 972.00 54.81 60.81 7.00 10.00 Tyler Myers without Oliver Ekman-Larsson Gritensity 199.07 52.10 1.15 51.20 -0.28 50.00 10.87 89.13 1,000.00 60.67 43.70 10.00 10.00 Tyler Myers with Oliver Ekman-Larsson Gritensity 93.82 48.40 -3.14 53.90 2.79 33.30 9.09 82.61 917.00 50.00 47.33 4.00 8.00 Tyler Myers and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off Gritensity 412.47 52.30 2.04 51.30 -0.20 53.80 10.40 90.32 1,007.00 58.90 54.26 21.00 18.00 OEL and Schenn not really enough data to go by but we will do our best... Used about 50/50 Ozone and mostly with the bottom 9... they were Outshot, out chanced, Outscored @ 1.6:1 Players WMTier EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Luke Schenn Elite 262.93 43.60 0.02 41.20 -1.87 45.50 12.50 88.00 1,005.00 46.03 15.00 18.00 Luke Schenn without Oliver Ekman-Larsson Elite 199.55 40.10 -4.69 39.60 -3.70 52.90 11.84 92.79 1,046.00 32.31 9.00 8.00 Luke Schenn with Oliver Ekman-Larsson Elite 35.77 45.20 1.70 45.50 3.26 50.00 5.88 95.45 1,013.00 45.83 1.00 1.00 Luke Schenn and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off Elite 266.55 45.80 3.48 44.90 3.96 45.80 7.64 91.16 988.00 38.13 11.00 13.00 Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Luke Schenn Middle 282.57 48.30 -1.52 43.30 -5.95 31.80 5.15 90.57 957.00 44.26 7.00 15.00 Luke Schenn without Oliver Ekman-Larsson Middle 228.37 47.30 -2.74 49.00 2.22 50.00 12.15 88.07 1,002.00 49.24 13.00 13.00 Luke Schenn with Oliver Ekman-Larsson Middle 48.00 49.00 -0.38 51.20 4.11 25.00 3.85 88.89 927.00 37.04 1.00 3.00 Luke Schenn and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off Middle 337.90 51.70 3.71 49.10 2.83 44.80 7.60 89.04 966.00 59.88 13.00 16.00 Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Luke Schenn Gritensity 212.53 50.90 -0.30 57.30 8.00 34.80 7.27 85.15 924.00 48.03 8.00 15.00 Luke Schenn without Oliver Ekman-Larsson Gritensity 222.43 49.40 -2.39 49.50 -2.56 57.10 11.11 92.17 1,033.00 54.74 12.00 9.00 Luke Schenn with Oliver Ekman-Larsson Gritensity 45.20 41.20 -10.53 28.60 -24.08 42.90 21.43 86.67 1,081.00 72.41 3.00 4.00 Luke Schenn and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off Gritensity 394.65 53.70 4.45 52.00 1.09 51.30 10.70 88.55 992.00 62.43 20.00 19.00 Myers and Stillman definitely used as the third pairing mainly used in the defensive end vs elite and offensive zone vs 4th liners... they get outplayed bad vs the elite and hold their own vs the bottom 9... they are outscored 1.1 : 1 not really sure who two dmen to compare them to... this would be satisfactory but... 7.7 million on your bottom pairing? no bueno! Players WMTier EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA Tyler Myers without Riley Stillman Elite 100.75 46.40 3.49 45.50 6.80 69.20 15.25 93.22 1,085.00 47.83 9.00 4.00 Riley Stillman without Tyler Myers Elite 58.53 45.10 1.51 44.90 5.24 0.00 0.00 89.66 897.00 32.43 0.00 3.00 Riley Stillman with Tyler Myers Elite 51.45 35.80 -9.31 31.20 -10.76 20.00 5.00 90.00 950.00 36.67 1.00 4.00 Riley Stillman and Tyler Myers both off Elite 183.63 44.30 0.93 38.80 -3.02 44.40 9.88 90.83 1,007.00 44.88 8.00 10.00 Tyler Myers without Riley Stillman Middle 95.23 53.80 3.00 51.10 4.62 11.10 1.89 82.22 841.00 38.18 1.00 8.00 Riley Stillman without Tyler Myers Middle 50.62 43.90 -8.70 35.30 -14.64 14.30 4.17 82.86 870.00 45.83 1.00 6.00 Riley Stillman with Tyler Myers Middle 64.65 54.70 3.76 51.00 4.06 70.00 20.59 88.46 1,090.00 51.85 7.00 3.00 Riley Stillman and Tyler Myers both off Middle 232.45 51.60 0.30 49.10 3.12 52.00 10.32 88.57 989.00 51.66 13.00 12.00 Tyler Myers without Riley Stillman Gritensity 73.47 47.90 -5.50 52.40 1.15 66.70 12.50 94.12 1,066.00 60.61 4.00 2.00 Riley Stillman without Tyler Myers Gritensity 58.92 42.90 -11.27 41.00 -12.11 42.90 11.11 87.88 990.00 36.00 3.00 4.00 Riley Stillman with Tyler Myers Gritensity 94.47 55.40 3.47 54.00 3.13 37.50 7.32 87.80 951.00 61.22 3.00 5.00 Riley Stillman and Tyler Myers both off Gritensity 243.18 55.50 6.16 53.00 3.17 48.00 9.92 88.07 980.00 63.23 12.00 13.00 BUT!!!! it seems all the pairings has improved! and thats promising! lets check out EP and his line mates! EP and Kuzmenko these guys are great! They out shoot, out chance, out score 1.33 : 1 ... not very good in their own zone but thats ok... considering this is the only line scoring you can see why we are so bad... if not for EP and Hughes Yikes! Players WMTier EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA Elias Pettersson without Andrei Kuzmenko Elite 90.07 41.40 -2.80 39.70 -2.82 25.00 5.13 89.29 944.00 40.91 2.00 6.00 Andrei Kuzmenko without Elias Pettersson Elite 34.18 48.30 4.61 51.10 9.34 75.00 15.79 92.86 1,086.00 54.55 3.00 1.00 Andrei Kuzmenko with Elias Pettersson Elite 146.65 50.00 7.53 52.80 13.05 53.30 10.00 90.00 1,000.00 40.38 8.00 7.00 Andrei Kuzmenko and Elias Pettersson both off Elite 494.62 42.30 -4.54 39.00 -8.86 46.90 10.31 91.13 1,014.00 39.38 23.00 26.00 Elias Pettersson without Andrei Kuzmenko Middle 75.33 48.30 -0.74 44.80 -2.35 63.60 22.58 85.71 1,083.00 58.54 7.00 4.00 Andrei Kuzmenko without Elias Pettersson Middle 77.07 48.10 -0.96 41.40 -6.03 37.50 9.38 85.71 951.00 54.84 3.00 5.00 Andrei Kuzmenko with Elias Pettersson Middle 181.03 56.20 9.10 60.70 17.35 60.90 14.58 87.50 1,021.00 62.00 14.00 9.00 Andrei Kuzmenko and Elias Pettersson both off Middle 566.18 46.80 -6.00 43.40 -9.94 30.40 4.95 89.68 946.00 45.24 14.00 32.00 Elias Pettersson without Andrei Kuzmenko Gritensity 66.37 47.60 -4.02 47.80 -3.95 33.30 7.14 88.24 954.00 64.29 2.00 4.00 Andrei Kuzmenko without Elias Pettersson Gritensity 65.73 56.20 5.23 47.70 -4.08 40.00 8.70 88.00 967.00 50.00 2.00 3.00 Andrei Kuzmenko with Elias Pettersson Gritensity 127.93 51.00 -0.39 53.40 2.39 56.00 18.92 85.90 1,048.00 54.55 14.00 11.00 Andrei Kuzmenko and Elias Pettersson both off Gritensity 566.73 51.30 -0.05 51.70 0.64 51.00 9.32 90.08 994.00 58.75 26.00 25.00 EP and Mikheyev... Mikheyev is used more defensively then Kuzmenko with more time vs the elite... they destroy the 4th liners and do ok vs the top 9... maybe has something to do with his injury... they Out shoot, out chance, out score the bottom 9 and the elite give them troubles... They outscore the competition 1.5 : 1 Players WMTier EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA Elias Pettersson without Ilya Mikheyev Elite 97.13 45.90 4.27 48.80 9.80 54.50 11.54 91.38 1,029.00 40.32 6.00 5.00 Ilya Mikheyev without Elias Pettersson Elite 68.50 41.30 -1.07 36.90 -4.08 81.80 30.00 95.00 1,250.00 45.95 9.00 2.00 Ilya Mikheyev with Elias Pettersson Elite 115.50 43.30 1.26 42.80 2.73 25.00 4.00 89.83 938.00 39.19 2.00 6.00 Ilya Mikheyev and Elias Pettersson both off Elite 389.53 41.20 -2.55 38.30 -5.07 35.30 7.06 90.64 977.00 37.92 12.00 22.00 Elias Pettersson without Ilya Mikheyev Middle 104.63 55.70 7.83 54.00 7.75 71.40 10.87 95.24 1,061.00 61.40 5.00 2.00 Ilya Mikheyev without Elias Pettersson Middle 104.08 43.30 -6.57 42.00 -6.18 16.70 2.22 91.94 942.00 39.62 1.00 5.00 Ilya Mikheyev with Elias Pettersson Middle 110.05 49.70 0.89 57.20 11.67 57.90 20.37 80.95 1,013.00 58.00 11.00 8.00 Ilya Mikheyev and Elias Pettersson both off Middle 432.23 48.60 -0.87 44.40 -6.71 37.80 6.17 89.69 959.00 45.35 14.00 23.00 Elias Pettersson without Ilya Mikheyev Gritensity 83.27 47.60 -2.58 46.60 -4.31 41.70 10.87 86.00 969.00 51.11 5.00 7.00 Ilya Mikheyev without Elias Pettersson Gritensity 114.88 54.00 4.77 48.60 -2.04 46.20 10.53 84.78 953.00 58.18 6.00 7.00 Ilya Mikheyev with Elias Pettersson Gritensity 78.90 47.00 -3.27 53.80 3.91 71.40 25.00 91.49 1,165.00 51.16 10.00 4.00 Ilya Mikheyev and Elias Pettersson both off Gritensity 449.78 49.90 0.11 50.90 1.39 47.20 8.10 91.08 992.00 56.82 17.00 19.00 EP and AB Way too little to go off here.... especially the goals... but they are out shooting and out chancing the competition Players RecordType EVTOI CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO OZS% GF GA Elias Pettersson without Anthony Beauvillier Elite 1.20 50.00 -5.66 67.30 13.89 0.00 100.00 1,000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Anthony Beauvillier without Elias Pettersson Elite 2.43 50.00 -5.66 63.30 9.47 0.00 100.00 1,000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Anthony Beauvillier with Elias Pettersson Elite 14.92 48.40 -9.83 47.80 -9.50 0.00 0.00 80.00 800.00 45.45 0.00 2.00 Anthony Beauvillier and Elias Pettersson both off Elite 37.88 59.20 10.48 56.10 4.70 60.00 11.11 87.50 986.00 57.14 3.00 2.00 Elias Pettersson without Anthony Beauvillier Middle 2.68 0.00 -47.33 0.00 -42.16 0.00 100.00 0.00 1,000.00 100.00 0.00 1.00 Anthony Beauvillier without Elias Pettersson Middle 4.35 54.50 8.07 76.70 36.87 50.00 50.00 0.00 500.00 0.00 1.00 1.00 Anthony Beauvillier with Elias Pettersson Middle 26.53 58.80 17.80 53.90 16.43 66.70 23.53 75.00 985.00 57.14 4.00 2.00 Anthony Beauvillier and Elias Pettersson both off Middle 58.18 39.80 -17.34 34.30 -22.78 16.70 4.35 83.87 882.00 40.74 1.00 5.00 Elias Pettersson without Anthony Beauvillier Gritensity 5.17 66.70 4.28 76.90 17.94 0.00 100.00 1,000.00 100.00 0.00 0.00 Anthony Beauvillier without Elias Pettersson Gritensity 2.37 100.00 38.13 100.00 41.88 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 Anthony Beauvillier with Elias Pettersson Gritensity 24.28 61.50 -1.40 57.30 -3.13 20.00 9.09 66.67 758.00 78.57 1.00 4.00 Anthony Beauvillier and Elias Pettersson both off Gritensity 67.87 61.70 -2.88 57.70 -5.12 60.00 8.82 90.91 997.00 64.86 3.00 2.00 Edited February 17, 2023 by Bad_BOI_pete 4 5 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostsof1915 Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 I don't need points plotted on a chart to see that our defence sucks. 12 1 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bad_BOI_pete Posted February 16, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I don't need points plotted on a chart to see that our defence sucks. it was mainly the comparison of the d lines of tocchets vs Boudreaus i was interested in... slight improvements Hooray... 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Strawbone Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 I feel like I just attended a university lecture, but zoned out halfway through cuz I was thinking about the cute girl in the row in front of me. I need the Coles Notes version! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostsof1915 Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 Voodoo economics? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 @Bad_BOI_pete Great insight and info Pete! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Huh? my math forward good + d bad + goalie bad + coach good = need d and goalie 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Not sure what your graphs say, but I've been really happy with Beauvillier. He is a complimentary winger in a decent deal and has produced pretty well on EP's wing so far. I'd say he is our 2nd best winger after Kuz right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Huh? my math forward good + d bad + goalie bad + coach good = need d and goalie well our 3rd and 4th lines with dries and aman are nor performing very well... arguably only EP and Hughes are doing good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, BCNate said: Not sure what your graphs say, but I've been really happy with Beauvillier. He is a complimentary winger in a decent deal and has produced pretty well on EP's wing so far. I'd say he is our 2nd best winger after Kuz right now. the chart says that too... EP and AB have been playing well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 What is %Grit? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Bad_BOI_pete said: well our 3rd and 4th lines with dries and aman are nor performing very well... arguably only EP and Hughes are doing good I appreciate the work involved with putting this together, but I'm old school and haven't gotten into corsi etc. Canucks seem to need a few upgrades, or even just switching certain players out to get a better mix of players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, hammertime said: What is %Grit? so grit is basically 4th line players... Middle is your top 9 and elite is 1st liners... i dont make the terms... some stat guy did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted February 16, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2023 I've taken a deep dive analysis into these spreadsheets and what I've ascertained is that this defense is f**king garbage. It does have an elite left-handed puck mover (Hughes), a brutalizing third pairing veteran (Schenn), and a solid 5-6 (Bear), but the rest reminds me of those bargain bins they had at A & B Sound where CDs were $5. 1 1 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTellTheTruth Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Wow way worse than I thought. I always compare with other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Sooooo, a confirmation of what we been saying for the better part of two years, but now with eyesore graphs to match the eyesore product on the ice. Not to be a dick. But, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, hammertime said: What is %Grit? It's the amount of Dawg / 60. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I've taken a deep dive analysis into these spreadsheets and what I've ascertained is that this defense is f**king garbage. It does have an elite left-handed puck mover (Hughes), a brutalizing third pairing veteran (Schenn), and a solid 5-6 (Bear), but the rest reminds me of those bargain bins they had at A & B Sound where CDs were $5. Hey, I found a couple treasures in those A&B Sound bargain bins! One was a collection of the top 100 classical songs of all time, I think it was a 4-CD set going for like $5, and I bought it on a whim, figuring it must have some good stuff on it. And it had this! I was in awe listening to it for the first time. I'm not religious but I'm a sucker for huge church choirs. I'm probably one of about a dozen people on the planet who would say this is their favourite song of all time, but it gives me goosebumps every time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I appreciate the work involved with putting this together, but I'm old school and haven't gotten into corsi etc. Canucks seem to need a few upgrades, or even just switching certain players out to get a better mix of players. the graphs are nice because if you watch the games you don't really need the charts unless you want to break down the stats to the extreme like i did here... The gra[hs are a easy way to get a very good idea of how a player is performing with his linemates... The charts are good because you can compare how each player plays with any other player on the team, it further breaks down quality of competition down to the line they play on 1st,2nd,3rd,4th.. with advanced stats you can use it to confirm what people are saying....with enough time spent i spent 5 hours.... you can come to very good conclusions.... but you need to take into account alot of metrics. you can then compare their Goal for%, shots taken, high danger chances taking into consideration ozone starts and line mates... its not something you have to learn and test against your eyes... but once you got a good idea you can then start analyzing players without even watching them play... of course you will have to do a little research to fill in the gaps like how fast they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Looks like you put some work in I'm not reading all that though, whatever it is happens to be great for the tank though so hopefully we continue to flounder 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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