(Discussion) an analysis of our new d pairings before and after Tocchet... plus how is AB doing...

[Bad_BOI_pete]

******* TRIGGER WARNING****** 

The following post contains the analysis of canucks players using "controversial" science... its of the OP's opinion that this science is used by all modern teams now, the data is to be used with a grain of salt. Analytics can be wrong especially if the info is not interpreted correctly, but if you take the time to understand the science behind each stat it can be a valuable tool in your tool bet.

 

 

Finally!!! my favorite website has accumulated enough data for me to compare our players! I thought it would be neat to compare boudreau d-lines vs Tocchets... I will also be analyzing EP40 with Kuz, Mik and AB... analyzing forward lines takes alot of time and work so i will just start from here (this took 5 hours)... first I will display 6 graphs that displays corsi,Dangerous shots and goals for VS quality of competition for the forwards and Defenceman...

 

 

 

 

TLDR: The graphs and charts "prove" what alot of us has been saying...Myers and OEL are being overpaid for their output. Hughes and EP are great players that improve everyone's performance whoever they play with. AB, Kuzmenko,Mikheyev, Schenn and Bear all have Huge boosts when playing with these players... our second third and 4th line are all getting out shot, out chanced, and out scored... every non quinn hughes D line is generally... getting out shot out chanced and out scored, except for a few 4th line or bottom 9 opponents...

 

when garland and podkolzin play their line mates take the majority of shots, but still get out chanced and outscored... The data tends to point that OEL, Stillman and Burroughs make alot of errors in their end... the data tends to point that either Dries boeser and miller are making mistakes defensively or are having hard times getting chances to score in high danger areas and converting those chances.... The data also "proves" that the goalies are under performing... the GF% compared to the corsi and DFF% shows that their is a significant drop in GF% across the entire team, which in my opinion is directly and mostly related to the goaltenders performance...

 

                                                                      Graphs: all Even Strength

 

 

 

*please note that for out players that have played 20 or less games we should not be putting too much thought into the GF%... Luck is a major factor in hockey and yes that means Pearson too.

 

Forwards - x axis- Dangerous fenwick shots %.... AKA shots from high scoring areas... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition

 

EP40 and Kuzmenko get the most scoring chances and out perform the competition... and all though not enough significant data... Lockwood Di-Guiseppe and AB have promising results

 

 

Forwards - x axis- Corsi  %.... AKA all shots on the net (including missed shots, blocked shots, saves, goals)... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition

 

A little different from the Dangerous shots, we can see here that as we all know that Garland and podkolzin fire from everywhere... and usually are controlling the play when on the ice, but they are just not getting off quality chances... we can also see that Lockwood dropped off compared to Dangerous shots.... JT Miller horvat, Dries, Mikheyev,Boeser where about equal with their competition on shots on net, but were way behind for dangerous shots... AB, Kuzmenko. Di Guiseppe and EP are controlling the play and getting off dangerous chances

 

 

Forwards - x axis- goal for  %... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition

 

We can see here that our GF% for pretty much all our forwards drop off compared to the dangerous shots except Garland,Mikheyev and Horvat actually improved. Podkolzin, EP, Kuzmenko stayed about the same and everyone else dropped compared to Dangerous chances... What this means is that either our goalies are being out performed or our forwards are not converting their chances... except for Mikheyev,EP,Kuzmenko and Horvat who are Burying their chances... Garland is scoring by just shooting ALOT if we had a better goalie he would likely move into the positive...

 

Defense - x axis- Dangerous fenwick shots %.... AKA shots from high scoring areas... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition

 

Here we can see... our team sucks... Bear playing as a 5th defenseman is the only defender that is outplaying the competition, Even when hughes is on the ice we are giving up more High scoring chances (this has alot to do with having 2 4th lines for most of the season) and Yes Schenn is being carried by hughes (more on that later, yikes) Suprisingly OEL and Myers do not have terrible numbers here... to me this says they are doing an average job... especially considering our 4th lines... regardless though they are doing a similar job that defenders making 4-5 million do, so its a fail.

 

 

Defense - x axis- Corsi  %.... AKA all shots on the net (including missed shots, blocked shots, saves, goals)... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition

 

This graph looks almost the exact same except for Hughes... when hughes is on the ice we are outshooting the opponent... the fact that his dangerous shots drop compared to corsi likely is a result of the two 4th lines we are playing with... we can see small improvements from OEL,stillman and myers here... everyone else stayed constant...and the fact than Schenns numbers didnt improve along with Hughes shows that when Hughes is playing with other defenceman he is starting in the Ozone

 

 

Defense - x axis- goal for  %... when on the ice they get more/less VS- Y-axis- Quality of competition

 

Scary right? here we see that our goalies are being out performed...... yikes.... and or our forwards are not burying their chances... which i say is true, but not as significant.

we can also see that yes our eye tests are right OEL,Stillman and Burroughs are making gaffs in their own zone (they had a much higher drop off comparably to their line mates)

 

Hughes is elite... this graph shows that... this graph along with the corsi and DFF% shows that he creates scoring chances that are not normally in area that are typical of DFF%

the fact that the DFF% is his lowest stat and then the corsi improves on that and then the GF% improves on that shows this... Hughes is amazing. 52% corsi >58% GF

Schenn did improve his corsi to go along with hughes but not at the same rate 46% > 51% I will show later that Schenn and hughes are used in the dzone quite commonly

 

 

Thats it for the charts... its not just our dmen... we need to improve our 4th and 3rd line.... BUT!!! lets see how our D pairings are performing under tocchet... we have the technology!

 

Here is the website i use to collect all this data and build these charts....

 

Little Glossary

EVTOI: even stregtn Time on ice

CF%: Corsi for %

CF%RC :the difference of corsi% relative to their team mates

DFF%: Dangerous scoring chances

GF% :goal for %

ONSH%: on ice shooting percentage of teammates

ONSV%: on ice save percentage of teammates

PDO: the combined score of ONSV% and ONSH% 1000 is considered break even

OZS%: the % of faceoffs taken in the ozone

GF: goals for

GA : Goals Against

 

 

of course schenn vs Hughes first... please note that this does include 3vs3 stats...

 

Well its no surprise Hughes and schenn complement each other... despite their overwhelmingly defensive zone starts they pretty much improve across the board when playing with each other but the notable thing i see is the GF% for schenn when he is not playing with hughes... he gets scored on ALOT without Hughes, mean while Hughes is still succeeding. Proof that hughes helps schenns game.

 

Players	WMTier	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
Quinn Hughes without Luke Schenn	Elite	127.70	52.20	9.82	51.00	10.11	58.80	11.36	88.71	1,001.00	49.28	10.00	7.00
Luke Schenn without Quinn Hughes	Elite	86.13	46.30	2.41	48.80	6.66	33.30	5.26	90.48	957.00	36.00	2.00	4.00
Luke Schenn with Quinn Hughes	Elite	146.83	39.90	-5.35	36.70	-7.59	66.70	14.04	95.56	1,096.00	34.95	8.00	4.00
Luke Schenn and Quinn Hughes both off	Elite	380.53	42.50	-3.31	40.60	-4.63	38.50	8.82	89.38	982.00	40.32	15.00	24.00
Quinn Hughes without Luke Schenn	Middle	164.50	58.40	9.87	53.80	7.71	47.10	9.09	85.94	950.00	66.30	8.00	9.00
Luke Schenn without Quinn Hughes	Middle	87.27	47.50	-3.32	47.30	-0.22	28.60	4.44	89.80	942.00	43.90	2.00	5.00
Luke Schenn with Quinn Hughes	Middle	151.18	47.60	-3.44	46.50	-1.19	45.00	12.33	84.51	968.00	48.48	9.00	11.00
Luke Schenn and Quinn Hughes both off	Middle	408.05	49.10	-2.60	45.70	-3.77	37.50	5.85	90.48	963.00	47.21	12.00	20.00
Quinn Hughes without Luke Schenn	Gritensity	173.88	60.20	10.42	52.90	1.18	61.10	12.64	89.71	1,023.00	69.14	11.00	7.00
Luke Schenn without Quinn Hughes	Gritensity	111.37	44.30	-8.89	40.30	-13.82	35.70	10.20	87.32	975.00	63.01	5.00	9.00
Luke Schenn with Quinn Hughes	Gritensity	144.42	51.20	-0.75	51.40	-0.66	78.60	16.92	95.31	1,122.00	54.76	11.00	3.00
Luke Schenn and Quinn Hughes both off	Gritensity	406.07	51.00	-1.55	55.50	6.91	39.50	8.29	85.64	939.00	52.94	17.00	26.00

 

Hughes and Bear Are used mostly in the Ozone which is good, because schenn seems to be much better defensively with hughes... But Bear and Hughes make up for that in the goal scoring department... They out score the opponent 1.6 : 1 GF compared with schenn 1.55 : 1 ....very similar but a small improvement...

 

Team	Players	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
VAN	Quintin Hughes without Ethan Bear	160.7833333	43.8	0.2516129032	43.2	-0.2911660777	61.5	9.87654321	94.50549451	1044	36.19047619	8	5
VAN	Ethan Bear without Quintin Hughes	118.5333333	45.5	2.271397616	46.5	3.762889879	36.4	8.163265306	88.33333333	965	41.25	4	7
VAN	Ethan Bear with Quintin Hughes	57.61666667	50.9	8.028810226	53.3	10.98159666	42.9	7.894736842	84.61538462	925	50	3	4
VAN	Ethan Bear and Quintin Hughes both off	266.7	41.2	-4.385874799	40.2	-5.996911197	34.5	8.547008547	88.88888889	974	39.63414634	10	19
VAN	Quintin Hughes without Ethan Bear	161.2	52.2	3.697005988	50.1	5.509123823	40.9	10	82.89473684	929	52.22222222	9	13
VAN	Ethan Bear without Quintin Hughes	136.5166667	47.6	-2.344629014	43.2	-3.637725381	42.9	4.054054054	94.20289855	983	48.7804878	3	4
VAN	Ethan Bear with Quintin Hughes	82.83333333	53.7	4.804417671	44	-2.243120364	66.7	15	90.625	1056	59.01639344	6	3
VAN	Ethan Bear and Quintin Hughes both off	256.25	47.4	-3.506344411	45.5	-0.8648076569	39.3	9.482758621	87.5	970	41.73228346	11	17
VAN	Quintin Hughes without Ethan Bear	186.35	50.3	-2.299388379	46.7	-6.941276377	76.5	16.4556962	95.40229885	1119	53.125	13	4
VAN	Ethan Bear without Quintin Hughes	158.15	48	-5.106796117	56.5	5.66739702	35.7	5.952380952	87.32394366	933	52.38095238	5	9
VAN	Ethan Bear with Quintin Hughes	102.15	67.7	17.8300954	64	13.61849192	70	11.86440678	90.625	1025	74.07407407	7	3
VAN	Ethan Bear and Quintin Hughes both off	313.3166667	50.6	-2.455916775	49.4	-4.68323176	37.1	8.843537415	86.16352201	950	57.8313253	13	22

 

 

OEL and Myers         What a terrible pairing... when they play together they create the ultimate tank pairing... Boudreau trusted hughes and schenn more in our dzone with the elite players and utilized oel and myers for dzone starts with the bottom 9 competition.... and they were terrible... they were outscored 1.8 : 1 Outshot and out chanced by big margins...

 

Players	WMTier	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	FO/60	GF	GA
Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Tyler Myers	Elite	119.77	48.80	6.62	48.30	7.70	42.90	11.11	87.30	984.00	47.56	59.11	6.00	8.00
Tyler Myers without Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Elite	134.97	46.20	3.69	44.60	3.49	46.20	8.33	91.25	996.00	31.88	42.68	6.00	7.00
Tyler Myers with Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Elite	163.88	39.30	-5.09	36.20	-7.36	45.00	11.84	89.62	1,015.00	46.55	68.83	9.00	11.00
Tyler Myers and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off	Elite	300.07	41.80	-2.42	41.00	-1.40	45.80	8.46	92.07	1,005.00	35.64	57.59	11.00	13.00
Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Tyler Myers	Middle	157.78	50.00	1.34	47.90	1.21	43.80	8.24	89.41	976.00	41.94	55.52	7.00	9.00
Tyler Myers without Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Middle	153.37	52.60	4.48	54.20	8.81	50.00	10.00	88.06	981.00	48.15	34.43	8.00	8.00
Tyler Myers with Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Middle	159.30	46.70	-2.70	40.90	-7.44	20.00	2.90	90.80	937.00	37.86	63.28	2.00	8.00
Tyler Myers and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off	Middle	391.62	48.00	-1.70	46.30	-1.09	45.20	10.22	87.15	974.00	55.41	54.24	19.00	23.00
Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Tyler Myers	Gritensity	160.83	49.20	-2.51	50.60	-1.01	41.20	8.97	88.24	972.00	54.81	60.81	7.00	10.00
Tyler Myers without Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Gritensity	199.07	52.10	1.15	51.20	-0.28	50.00	10.87	89.13	1,000.00	60.67	43.70	10.00	10.00
Tyler Myers with Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Gritensity	93.82	48.40	-3.14	53.90	2.79	33.30	9.09	82.61	917.00	50.00	47.33	4.00	8.00
Tyler Myers and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off	Gritensity	412.47	52.30	2.04	51.30	-0.20	53.80	10.40	90.32	1,007.00	58.90	54.26	21.00	18.00

 

OEL and Schenn not really enough data to go by but we will do our best... Used about 50/50 Ozone and mostly with the bottom 9... they were Outshot, out chanced, Outscored @ 1.6:1

 

Players	WMTier	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Luke Schenn	Elite	262.93	43.60	0.02	41.20	-1.87	45.50	12.50	88.00	1,005.00	46.03	15.00	18.00
Luke Schenn without Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Elite	199.55	40.10	-4.69	39.60	-3.70	52.90	11.84	92.79	1,046.00	32.31	9.00	8.00
Luke Schenn with Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Elite	35.77	45.20	1.70	45.50	3.26	50.00	5.88	95.45	1,013.00	45.83	1.00	1.00
Luke Schenn and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off	Elite	266.55	45.80	3.48	44.90	3.96	45.80	7.64	91.16	988.00	38.13	11.00	13.00
Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Luke Schenn	Middle	282.57	48.30	-1.52	43.30	-5.95	31.80	5.15	90.57	957.00	44.26	7.00	15.00
Luke Schenn without Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Middle	228.37	47.30	-2.74	49.00	2.22	50.00	12.15	88.07	1,002.00	49.24	13.00	13.00
Luke Schenn with Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Middle	48.00	49.00	-0.38	51.20	4.11	25.00	3.85	88.89	927.00	37.04	1.00	3.00
Luke Schenn and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off	Middle	337.90	51.70	3.71	49.10	2.83	44.80	7.60	89.04	966.00	59.88	13.00	16.00
Oliver Ekman-Larsson without Luke Schenn	Gritensity	212.53	50.90	-0.30	57.30	8.00	34.80	7.27	85.15	924.00	48.03	8.00	15.00
Luke Schenn without Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Gritensity	222.43	49.40	-2.39	49.50	-2.56	57.10	11.11	92.17	1,033.00	54.74	12.00	9.00
Luke Schenn with Oliver Ekman-Larsson	Gritensity	45.20	41.20	-10.53	28.60	-24.08	42.90	21.43	86.67	1,081.00	72.41	3.00	4.00
Luke Schenn and Oliver Ekman-Larsson both off	Gritensity	394.65	53.70	4.45	52.00	1.09	51.30	10.70	88.55	992.00	62.43	20.00	19.00

 

Myers and Stillman definitely used as the third pairing mainly used in the defensive end vs elite and offensive zone vs 4th liners... they get outplayed bad vs the elite and hold their own vs the bottom 9... they are outscored  1.1 : 1 not really sure who two dmen to compare them to... this would be satisfactory but... 7.7 million on your bottom pairing? no bueno!

 

Players	WMTier	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
Tyler Myers without Riley Stillman	Elite	100.75	46.40	3.49	45.50	6.80	69.20	15.25	93.22	1,085.00	47.83	9.00	4.00
Riley Stillman without Tyler Myers	Elite	58.53	45.10	1.51	44.90	5.24	0.00	0.00	89.66	897.00	32.43	0.00	3.00
Riley Stillman with Tyler Myers	Elite	51.45	35.80	-9.31	31.20	-10.76	20.00	5.00	90.00	950.00	36.67	1.00	4.00
Riley Stillman and Tyler Myers both off	Elite	183.63	44.30	0.93	38.80	-3.02	44.40	9.88	90.83	1,007.00	44.88	8.00	10.00
Tyler Myers without Riley Stillman	Middle	95.23	53.80	3.00	51.10	4.62	11.10	1.89	82.22	841.00	38.18	1.00	8.00
Riley Stillman without Tyler Myers	Middle	50.62	43.90	-8.70	35.30	-14.64	14.30	4.17	82.86	870.00	45.83	1.00	6.00
Riley Stillman with Tyler Myers	Middle	64.65	54.70	3.76	51.00	4.06	70.00	20.59	88.46	1,090.00	51.85	7.00	3.00
Riley Stillman and Tyler Myers both off	Middle	232.45	51.60	0.30	49.10	3.12	52.00	10.32	88.57	989.00	51.66	13.00	12.00
Tyler Myers without Riley Stillman	Gritensity	73.47	47.90	-5.50	52.40	1.15	66.70	12.50	94.12	1,066.00	60.61	4.00	2.00
Riley Stillman without Tyler Myers	Gritensity	58.92	42.90	-11.27	41.00	-12.11	42.90	11.11	87.88	990.00	36.00	3.00	4.00
Riley Stillman with Tyler Myers	Gritensity	94.47	55.40	3.47	54.00	3.13	37.50	7.32	87.80	951.00	61.22	3.00	5.00
Riley Stillman and Tyler Myers both off	Gritensity	243.18	55.50	6.16	53.00	3.17	48.00	9.92	88.07	980.00	63.23	12.00	13.00

 

 

BUT!!!! it seems all the pairings has improved! and thats promising! lets check out EP and his line mates!

 

EP and Kuzmenko these guys are great! They out shoot, out chance, out score  1.33 : 1  ... not very good in their own zone but thats ok... considering this is the only line scoring you can see why we are so bad... if not for EP and Hughes Yikes!

 

Players	WMTier	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
Elias Pettersson without Andrei Kuzmenko	Elite	90.07	41.40	-2.80	39.70	-2.82	25.00	5.13	89.29	944.00	40.91	2.00	6.00
Andrei Kuzmenko without Elias Pettersson	Elite	34.18	48.30	4.61	51.10	9.34	75.00	15.79	92.86	1,086.00	54.55	3.00	1.00
Andrei Kuzmenko with Elias Pettersson	Elite	146.65	50.00	7.53	52.80	13.05	53.30	10.00	90.00	1,000.00	40.38	8.00	7.00
Andrei Kuzmenko and Elias Pettersson both off	Elite	494.62	42.30	-4.54	39.00	-8.86	46.90	10.31	91.13	1,014.00	39.38	23.00	26.00
Elias Pettersson without Andrei Kuzmenko	Middle	75.33	48.30	-0.74	44.80	-2.35	63.60	22.58	85.71	1,083.00	58.54	7.00	4.00
Andrei Kuzmenko without Elias Pettersson	Middle	77.07	48.10	-0.96	41.40	-6.03	37.50	9.38	85.71	951.00	54.84	3.00	5.00
Andrei Kuzmenko with Elias Pettersson	Middle	181.03	56.20	9.10	60.70	17.35	60.90	14.58	87.50	1,021.00	62.00	14.00	9.00
Andrei Kuzmenko and Elias Pettersson both off	Middle	566.18	46.80	-6.00	43.40	-9.94	30.40	4.95	89.68	946.00	45.24	14.00	32.00
Elias Pettersson without Andrei Kuzmenko	Gritensity	66.37	47.60	-4.02	47.80	-3.95	33.30	7.14	88.24	954.00	64.29	2.00	4.00
Andrei Kuzmenko without Elias Pettersson	Gritensity	65.73	56.20	5.23	47.70	-4.08	40.00	8.70	88.00	967.00	50.00	2.00	3.00
Andrei Kuzmenko with Elias Pettersson	Gritensity	127.93	51.00	-0.39	53.40	2.39	56.00	18.92	85.90	1,048.00	54.55	14.00	11.00
Andrei Kuzmenko and Elias Pettersson both off	Gritensity	566.73	51.30	-0.05	51.70	0.64	51.00	9.32	90.08	994.00	58.75	26.00	25.00

 

EP and Mikheyev... Mikheyev is used more defensively then Kuzmenko with more time vs the elite... they destroy the 4th liners and do ok vs the top 9... maybe has something to do with his injury... they Out shoot, out chance, out score the bottom 9 and the elite give them troubles... They outscore the competition 1.5 : 1

 

Players	WMTier	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
Elias Pettersson without Ilya Mikheyev	Elite	97.13	45.90	4.27	48.80	9.80	54.50	11.54	91.38	1,029.00	40.32	6.00	5.00
Ilya Mikheyev without Elias Pettersson	Elite	68.50	41.30	-1.07	36.90	-4.08	81.80	30.00	95.00	1,250.00	45.95	9.00	2.00
Ilya Mikheyev with Elias Pettersson	Elite	115.50	43.30	1.26	42.80	2.73	25.00	4.00	89.83	938.00	39.19	2.00	6.00
Ilya Mikheyev and Elias Pettersson both off	Elite	389.53	41.20	-2.55	38.30	-5.07	35.30	7.06	90.64	977.00	37.92	12.00	22.00
Elias Pettersson without Ilya Mikheyev	Middle	104.63	55.70	7.83	54.00	7.75	71.40	10.87	95.24	1,061.00	61.40	5.00	2.00
Ilya Mikheyev without Elias Pettersson	Middle	104.08	43.30	-6.57	42.00	-6.18	16.70	2.22	91.94	942.00	39.62	1.00	5.00
Ilya Mikheyev with Elias Pettersson	Middle	110.05	49.70	0.89	57.20	11.67	57.90	20.37	80.95	1,013.00	58.00	11.00	8.00
Ilya Mikheyev and Elias Pettersson both off	Middle	432.23	48.60	-0.87	44.40	-6.71	37.80	6.17	89.69	959.00	45.35	14.00	23.00
Elias Pettersson without Ilya Mikheyev	Gritensity	83.27	47.60	-2.58	46.60	-4.31	41.70	10.87	86.00	969.00	51.11	5.00	7.00
Ilya Mikheyev without Elias Pettersson	Gritensity	114.88	54.00	4.77	48.60	-2.04	46.20	10.53	84.78	953.00	58.18	6.00	7.00
Ilya Mikheyev with Elias Pettersson	Gritensity	78.90	47.00	-3.27	53.80	3.91	71.40	25.00	91.49	1,165.00	51.16	10.00	4.00
Ilya Mikheyev and Elias Pettersson both off	Gritensity	449.78	49.90	0.11	50.90	1.39	47.20	8.10	91.08	992.00	56.82	17.00	19.00

 

EP and AB Way too little to go off here.... especially the goals... but they are out shooting and out chancing the competition

 

Players	RecordType	EVTOI	CF%	CF%RC	DFF%	DFF%RC	GF%	ONSH%	ONSV%	PDO	OZS%	GF	GA
Elias Pettersson without Anthony Beauvillier	Elite	1.20	50.00	-5.66	67.30	13.89		0.00	100.00	1,000.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
Anthony Beauvillier without Elias Pettersson	Elite	2.43	50.00	-5.66	63.30	9.47		0.00	100.00	1,000.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
Anthony Beauvillier with Elias Pettersson	Elite	14.92	48.40	-9.83	47.80	-9.50	0.00	0.00	80.00	800.00	45.45	0.00	2.00
Anthony Beauvillier and Elias Pettersson both off	Elite	37.88	59.20	10.48	56.10	4.70	60.00	11.11	87.50	986.00	57.14	3.00	2.00
Elias Pettersson without Anthony Beauvillier	Middle	2.68	0.00	-47.33	0.00	-42.16	0.00	100.00	0.00	1,000.00	100.00	0.00	1.00
Anthony Beauvillier without Elias Pettersson	Middle	4.35	54.50	8.07	76.70	36.87	50.00	50.00	0.00	500.00	0.00	1.00	1.00
Anthony Beauvillier with Elias Pettersson	Middle	26.53	58.80	17.80	53.90	16.43	66.70	23.53	75.00	985.00	57.14	4.00	2.00
Anthony Beauvillier and Elias Pettersson both off	Middle	58.18	39.80	-17.34	34.30	-22.78	16.70	4.35	83.87	882.00	40.74	1.00	5.00
Elias Pettersson without Anthony Beauvillier	Gritensity	5.17	66.70	4.28	76.90	17.94		0.00	100.00	1,000.00	100.00	0.00	0.00
Anthony Beauvillier without Elias Pettersson	Gritensity	2.37	100.00	38.13	100.00	41.88		0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00	0.00
Anthony Beauvillier with Elias Pettersson	Gritensity	24.28	61.50	-1.40	57.30	-3.13	20.00	9.09	66.67	758.00	78.57	1.00	4.00
Anthony Beauvillier and Elias Pettersson both off	Gritensity	67.87	61.70	-2.88	57.70	-5.12	60.00	8.82	90.91	997.00	64.86	3.00	2.00

Edited February 17 by Bad_BOI_pete

[Ghostsof1915]

I don't need points plotted on a chart to see that our defence sucks.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

I don't need points plotted on a chart to see that our defence sucks.

it was mainly the comparison of the d lines of tocchets vs Boudreaus i was interested in... slight improvements Hooray...

[Strawbone]

I feel like I just attended a university lecture, but zoned out halfway through cuz I was thinking about the cute girl in the row in front of me.

 

I need the Coles Notes version!

[Ghostsof1915]

Voodoo economics?

[Odd.]

@Bad_BOI_pete Great insight and info Pete!

[NUCKER67]

Huh? 

 

my math

 

forward good + d bad + goalie bad + coach good = need d and goalie

 

 

[BCNate]

Not sure what your graphs say, but I've been really happy with Beauvillier.  He is a complimentary winger in a decent deal and has produced pretty well on EP's wing so far.  I'd say he is our 2nd best winger after Kuz right now.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

5 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Huh? 

 

my math

 

forward good + d bad + goalie bad + coach good = need d and goalie

 

 

well our 3rd and 4th lines with dries and aman are nor performing very well...

 

arguably only EP and Hughes are doing good

[Bad_BOI_pete]

1 minute ago, BCNate said:

Not sure what your graphs say, but I've been really happy with Beauvillier.  He is a complimentary winger in a decent deal and has produced pretty well on EP's wing so far.  I'd say he is our 2nd best winger after Kuz right now.

the chart says that too... EP and AB have been playing well

[hammertime]

What is %Grit?  

[NUCKER67]

1 minute ago, Bad_BOI_pete said:

well our 3rd and 4th lines with dries and aman are nor performing very well...

 

arguably only EP and Hughes are doing good

I appreciate the work involved with putting this together, but I'm old school and haven't gotten into corsi etc. Canucks seem to need a few upgrades, or even just switching certain players out to get a better mix of players.   

[Bad_BOI_pete]

9 minutes ago, hammertime said:

What is %Grit?  

so grit is basically 4th line players... Middle is your top 9 and elite is 1st liners... i dont make the terms... some stat guy did...

 

 

[PhillipBlunt]

I've taken a deep dive analysis into these spreadsheets and what I've ascertained is that this defense is f**king garbage.

 

It does have an elite left-handed puck mover (Hughes), a brutalizing third pairing veteran (Schenn), and a solid 5-6 (Bear), but the rest reminds me of those bargain bins they had at A & B Sound where CDs were $5. 

[ToTellTheTruth]

Wow way worse than I thought.

 

I always compare with other teams.

[N7Nucks]

Sooooo, a confirmation of what we been saying for the better part of two years, but now with eyesore graphs to match the eyesore product on the ice.

 

Not to be a dick. But, yeah. 

[DSVII]

33 minutes ago, hammertime said:

What is %Grit?  

It's the amount of Dawg / 60.

 

 

[Strawbone]

10 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

I've taken a deep dive analysis into these spreadsheets and what I've ascertained is that this defense is f**king garbage.

 

It does have an elite left-handed puck mover (Hughes), a brutalizing third pairing veteran (Schenn), and a solid 5-6 (Bear), but the rest reminds me of those bargain bins they had at A & B Sound where CDs were $5. 

Hey, I found a couple treasures in those A&B Sound bargain bins! One was a collection of the top 100 classical songs of all time, I think it was a 4-CD set going for like $5, and I bought it on a whim, figuring it must have some good stuff on it. And it had this! I was in awe listening to it for the first time. I'm not religious but I'm a sucker for huge church choirs. I'm probably one of about a dozen people on the planet who would say this is their favourite song of all time, but it gives me goosebumps every time.

 

 

[Bad_BOI_pete]

11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I appreciate the work involved with putting this together, but I'm old school and haven't gotten into corsi etc. Canucks seem to need a few upgrades, or even just switching certain players out to get a better mix of players.   

the graphs are nice because if you watch the games you don't really need the charts unless you want to break down the stats to the extreme like i did here...

The gra[hs are a easy way to get a very good idea of how a player is performing with his linemates... 

 

The charts are good because you can compare how each player plays with any other player on the team, it further breaks down quality of competition down to the line they play on 1st,2nd,3rd,4th.. with advanced stats you can use it to confirm what people are saying....with enough time spent i spent 5 hours.... you can come to very good conclusions.... but you need to take into account alot of metrics. you can then compare  their Goal for%, shots taken, high danger chances taking into consideration ozone starts and line mates... 

 

its not something you have to learn and test against your eyes... but once you got a good idea you can then start analyzing players without even watching them play... of course you will have to do a little research to fill in the gaps like how fast they are

[Coconuts]

Looks like you put some work in 

 

I'm not reading all that though, whatever it is happens to be great for the tank though so hopefully we continue to flounder