[3-Way Trade] Maple Leafs acquire Ryan O'Reilly, Noel Acciari, Josh Pillar; Blues acquire Adam Gaudette, Mikhail Abramov, 2023 1st-round pick, 2023 3rd-round pick, 2024 2nd-round pick; Wild acquire 2025 4th-round pick

[CanucksForever2]

2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Yup. Leafs will win the Cup this year. They are just too good, especially now. 

But can they beat McDavid?

[Brad Marchand]

If the Wild only got a 4th round pick two years from now for retaining $2.5 million of salary this year, that doesn't exacly give me hope that the Canucks would get much more if they participate in a similar trade.

[Hogs & Podz]

1 minute ago, Maginator said:

O'Reilly's peak is behind him but I think he'll shine again in Toronto.

 

Not long ago he captained a team to a Stanley Cup Championship.

 

Price is high but it's due or die for Dubas.

Even though RoR is a great character, cup winning third line quality f/o center.... And will make them a even stronger team, they should have focused on acquiring more veteran D.

[stawns]

14 minutes ago, kacholu said:

Seems like a massive over payment from Toronto 

Almost like waiting closer to the deadline increases the value of an asset.  Go figure

[SilentSam]

The Curse of Harold Ballard.

[mll]

Just now, Brad Marchand said:

If the Wild only got a 4th round pick two years from now for retaining $2.5 million of salary this year, that doesn't exacly give me hope that the Canucks would get much more if they participate in a similar trade.

O'Reilly's salary is 1M this season (rest was bonus) with only ~30% left to pay.   The Wild pick up 75K in salary and 1.875M cap hit.

  

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Hogs & Podz said:

Even though RoR is a great character, cup winning third line quality f/o center.... And will make them a even stronger team, they should have focused on acquiring more veteran D.

Dubas was smart. He could have gone for Horvat but he knew he needed a guy who can play defensively to win. So he lets Lou Lsn way overpay for Horvat and then gets the much better player (and proven winner) in ROR for a lot less. 

[stawns]

Jesus, if they don't move Miller they are bigger morons than I could have imagined.  The arms race is on in the East.

 

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

Almost like waiting closer to the deadline increases the value of an asset.  Go figure

ROR is a much better player than ?Horvat. 

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, Hogs & Podz said:

Even though RoR is a great character, cup winning third line quality f/o center.... And will make them a even stronger team, they should have focused on acquiring more veteran D.

Except they got one of the best defensive fwds to come along in awhile.

 

This makes TO a much tougher team to play against.

[Alflives]

Just now, stawns said:

Jesus, if they don't move Miller they are bigger morons than I could have imagined.  The arms race is on in the East.

 

Miller is way better than Horvat. Crazy to move him. We need guys with his character to build around. 

[Hogs & Podz]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

Except they got one of the best defensive fwds to come along in awhile.

 

This makes TO a much tougher team to play against.

My thoughts are that Dubas couldn't get a decent defenseman in a trade without losing his shirt, this was the next best option.  Can't say I don't like it.  Hell of a way to put all your chips in play.  "All or nothin' 2"

Edited February 18, 2023 by Hogs & Podz

[HKSR]

11 minutes ago, Brad Marchand said:

If the Wild only got a 4th round pick two years from now for retaining $2.5 million of salary this year, that doesn't exacly give me hope that the Canucks would get much more if they participate in a similar trade.

It's the standard going rate for 3rd party brokers.  Getting the most from weaponizing cap space comes in the form of taking on entire cap dumps. 

[J-23]

Toronto forward group looking strong.

 

East is going to be tough in this years Playoffs.

 

Did the Wild third party retain for the year? We should look to do the same.

[HKSR]

8 minutes ago, stawns said:

Except they got one of the best defensive fwds to come along in awhile.

 

This makes TO a much tougher team to play against.

Yeah, if the price on defencemen is too high, why not just grab a Selke calibre forward to help defend leads instead.  

[R3aL]

Pretty interesting acquisition… crazy C depth now.

 

still

choke first round? Count of goal tending 

[Elias Pettersson]

12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Dubas was smart. He could have gone for Horvat but he knew he needed a guy who can play defensively to win. So he lets Lou Lsn way overpay for Horvat and then gets the much better player (and proven winner) in ROR for a lot less. 

THIS...  Alf is the only one smart enough to figure this out...

[Alflives]

Just now, HKSR said:

Yeah, if the price on defencemen is too high, why not just grab a Selke calibre forward to help defend leads instead.  

Yup. Getting ROR just made all the Leafs’ D a little bit better. Maybe some here don’t realize how important a defensively minded centre is for helping the D?  

[HKSR]

Just now, R3aL said:

Pretty interesting acquisition… crazy C depth now.

 

still

choke first round? Count of goal tending 

That defence and goaltending is still pretty terrible.  

[HKSR]

Just now, Alflives said:

Yup. Getting ROR just made all the Leafs’ D a little bit better. Maybe some here don’t realize how important a defensively minded centre is for helping the D?  

Or forwards helping defend in general.