CBH1926 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 13 minutes ago, Sophomore Jinx said: Boo Hoo. Great player, douchey, shameful person. AFAIC Captain Serious can go pound sand, he'll be 35 next month, and it's not as if he's left for wanting. He had the great fortune to have a long career, with all the trimmings and accolades....while others like Kyle Beach never played a single game in the NHL. It’s terrible what happened to Kyle and it’s shameful that JT or others did not help him. With that in mind, prior to 2010 assault KB was a terrible skater, undisciplined hothead that got into trouble many times with teammates, refs etc. He shouldn’t have been drafted as high as he did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 Maybe he can put some of those millions to helping victims of abuse. That would be a good start. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Maybe he can put some of those millions to helping victims of abuse. That would be a good start. Yip. Not a Captain Serous fan. Media darling that should of been more exposed for.....Who he is Edited March 17 by rekker 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: I was wondering about this. Or if he'd try one more season on a cheap $1 Million contract and try playing for Winnipeg to end his career. Long Covid sucks. As someone suffering from it for 2.5 years, its not something you can really explain to anyone, but its something that fundamentally changes who you are and how you live your life 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Ohh memories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Great career riding off Kane's coat tails... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 30 minutes ago, stawns said: As someone suffering from it for 2.5 years, its not something you can really explain to anyone, but its something that fundamentally changes who you are and how you live your life Friend of mine just went cycling today after suffering from long covid. He said he was completely wiped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick_theRyper Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Thank God he got vaccinated though, or that long COVID would have been 99% worse 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, CBH1926 said: It’s terrible what happened to Kyle and it’s shameful that JT or others did not help him. With that in mind, prior to 2010 assault KB was a terrible skater, undisciplined hothead that got into trouble many times with teammates, refs etc. He shouldn’t have been drafted as high as he did. I agree, I think you're correct...but the subject of this thread was about the plight of poor 'ole Toews....I wasn't putting Beach up on a pedestal, nor do I think he was a top notch prospect....but I think he deserved a chance to make it upon his own merits, and the physical, mental, and psychological torment he received certainly would have been, in the very least, a detriment to his chances at success. Thus, the gist of my post was in vilifying Toews, as a person (not the player)....and regardless of how good, bad, or anything else Kyle Beach could've been as a player is irrelevant....no one should go through what he did, whether he was a dick or not. Cheers Edited March 18 by Sophomore Jinx 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, J-Dizzle said: Great career riding off Kane's coat tails... One of the Lowest iq comments ive ever seen in this board 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Great career and first ballot HOF and deservedly so. That said, that PIECE OF SH!T can F#CK RIGHT OFF! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, Iron Fist said: He is a hall of famer. Respectfully disagree. His numbers are good but not outstanding and he was a great leader and all-round good player. But as Ray Ferraro has often said, "It's a Hall of Fame, not the Hall of the Really Good". Now if you are talking the Manitoba Sports Hall of Fame, then he's a lock. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, 250Integra said: Hall of Famer for his accolades but a terrible Captain for all that Kyle Beach stuff I'd support disqualifying him for that, especially after he openly defended the child molester loving management. Hopefully he's in a ton of pain and karma is doing its thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup_Joneser Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, Odd. said: It's looking more and more like Jonathan Toews' career is coming to an unfortunate end. According to two sources, Toews is seriously considering retiring after the season. Toews, who hasn't played since Jan. 28 at Edmonton, said in a statement on Feb. 19 that he is dealing with long-COVID symptoms as well as Chronic Immune Response Syndrome. The Blackhawks captain missed the entire 2020-21 season due to both illnesses. To be sure, this isn't the way anyone wants to see one of the NHL's top centers of all time go out. Toews deserves to be saluted one last time, so if he has made up his mind to retire then you'd hope it unfolds like this: He holds a news conference to announce the decision and (assuming he's healthy) says he will play in the final home game on April 13. Now, what are the odds that happens? Difficult to say. After all, we almost never see a hockey player admit he's done during a season. Toews has been around the team for about two weeks and has attended the last four home games. Coach Luke Richardson said Toews was first in line to greet teammates in the locker room after their 5-0 victory over Ottawa at the United Center last Monday. Toews also nodded and uttered a quick "hi" to a few reporters as he walked past the dressing room after the team's 6-3 win over Boston on Tuesday. "I know he's chomping at the bit to take the next step," Richardson said. "Just hopefully he gets there." A Hawks spokesperson said Toews on Tuesday "respectfully declined" multiple interview requests. Internally, the team has made preparations to honor the future Hall of Famer if they get confirmation that he will indeed retire. In January, Toews was asked to name the most difficult season of his career and almost said this one, but went with the 2021-22 campaign instead. "It's definitely been challenging this year," he said. "But I'd say last year was really difficult in the way that we had much higher expectations." Those expectations soared, in part, because Toews was returning after a year off. He struggled mightily at the start, however, and didn't score until Game 26. Toews admitted he didn't feel like himself on the ice very often. "It was a grind," he confessed. He exploded out of the gates this season, with 8 goals and 5 assists in the first 17 games. He still looked pretty good in the next 27 contests, and notched 6 goals to go along with 9 assists. Rest of the article: https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20230317/end-of-the-road-for-toews-blackhawks-captain-seriously-considering-retirement-sources-say Definitely not a hall of famer like many people suggested he was, but nonetheless long covid is a real thing and 2 others have already retired including Sutter because of it. Great career though for Toews The Nhl will have egg on its face if they dont induct him after naming him in the top 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, EddieVedder said: One of the Lowest iq comments ive ever seen in this board Proof @EddieVedder doesn't proof read before posting... edit: wittier comeback Edited March 18 by J-Dizzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Two 30 goal seasons, one 80 point season, one 70 point season. Not in any way HoF material. And that's without getting into the personal stuff. Edited March 18 by Maniwaki Canuck 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Sophomore Jinx said: I agree, I think you're correct...but the subject of this thread was about the plight of poor 'ole Toews....I wasn't putting Beach up on a pedestal, nor do I think he was a top notch prospect....but I think he deserved a chance to make it upon his own merits, and the physical, mental, and psychological torment he received certainly would have been, in the very least, a detriment to his chances at success. Thus, the gist of my post was in vilifying Toews, as a person (not the player)....and regardless of how good, bad, or anything else Kyle Beach could've been as a player is irrelevant....no one should go through what he did, whether he was a dick or not. Cheers I agree with pretty much with everything that you posted. The bottom portion, I wasn’t implying that somehow due to his personality he deserved to go through what he did. Even guys that I loathed like Cooke, Torres, Kaleta, Marchand, Bertuzzi, Downie etc. wouldn’t deserve something like that to happen to them. As for as JT goes, only he knows what he knew or didn’t know and what he could have done. He can carry that around and deal with it on his own. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 12 hours ago, J-Dizzle said: Great career riding off Kane's coat tails... I’m pretty sure when Chicago won those Cups, Toews wasn’t playing on Kane’s line. The only time they played together was on the PP. Quenneville’s philosophy was never put all your eggs in one basket. He rarely had all his top players, playing on one line, unless if he absolutely had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 10 hours ago, buddhahoodlum said: Great career and first ballot HOF and deservedly so. That said, that PIECE OF SH!T can F#CK RIGHT OFF! 9 hours ago, Maniwaki Canuck said: Two 30 goal seasons, one 80 point season, one 70 point season. Not in any way HoF material. And that's without getting into the personal stuff. 10 hours ago, Cup_Joneser said: The Nhl will have egg on its face if they dont induct him after naming him in the top 100 He's a hall of famer. Selke Trophy winner and playoff MVP and led his team to three Cups. With many more goals and points than Carbonneau or Gainey while playing in a lower scoring era. That said he wouldn't quite be a first ballot guy for me but he will be one unless they penalize him for the Beach stuff. He was never a top 100 player of all time though. The NHL already has egg on its face for picking Toews for the top 100 and leaving out Dale Hawerchuk, among others. Edited March 18 by Kevin Biestra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said: He's a hall of famer. Selke Trophy winner and playoff MVP and led his team to three Cups. With many more goals and points than Carbonneau or Gainey while playing in a lower scoring era. That said he wouldn't quite be a first ballot guy for me but he will be one unless they penalize him for the Beach stuff. He was never a top 100 player of all time though. The NHL already has egg on its face for picking Toews for the top 100 and leaving out Dale Hawerchuk, among others. Carboneau and Gainey shouldn't be in either, but you're right to point to them as the precedents that will probably be used. Dale Hawerchuck was twice the player Toews was. When Federko made the HoF twenty years ago, lots of people thought it was a stretch including me, but at least he had the numbers to make it semi-plausible. Putting Toews in the Hall of Fame would be like us retiring Smyl's number: a massive over-valuation of "intangibles" in a better than average but not great player. And I liked Smyl a lot. Lots of Selke winners and captains of cup-winning teams don't make the HoF. I'll be the first to admit that I hated that version of the Blackhawks but would have no problem with putting Kane in the HoF despite him being as miserable a person as Toews. It's about the talent, or lack thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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