Where's The Appreciation?

[spook007]

8 hours ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

Three forwards who have dropped off defensively since joining Vancouver this year:

 

 

Analytics aren't everything, but it is telling that all three new players have struggled to keep the puck out of the net in 5v5 situations.  There is clearly some blame to go around here.  We've already fired our coach.  If the PK doesn't pick up, then who is at fault?  Players?  Management?  I don't have answers.

Well, part of it has to be the D...

 

Other than that it seems that when they get to Vancouver, they don't know how to hockey any more... 

Poor construction of the team, or maybe they need more time.

Fact is it doesn't work, and its a big issue... Joshua has been good for 4th line offence, while Lazar, Studnica and Dries not so much so... So if they can play punishing physically, don't fight and can't PK....

 

I actually thinkMika has been quite good, and maybe he would thrive under Tocchet systems, once he's back from injury.

[Nuxfanabroad]

Really don't mind Bo & a 2nd for Hronek, Beauvillier, Raty & a 4th. Seems fair value, which addresses team needs.

Bo was a fine Canuck, but 8.5 wasn't realistic. Nice that the accumulated player pkg is almost the same AAV cap-payout.

Also like many of the smaller deals they've swung.

 

Quite like that we acquired JTM a few yrs back. Pt-a-game is pretty damn good for a middle rd 1st. Any good team requires a combo of personalities.

 

We've got a few middling contracts to work through, but they're not on the long(ish) side. For OEL, hope we can buy out & move on.

 

Appreciation & patience fit well together. Feels like some fans would prefer the Canucks don't exist at all.

 

Endless debate about the way to build. Personally glad they've never purposefully taken this ride into the ditch. With prime talent like EP, QH & TD locked in, would rather remain optimistic.

[DSVII]

21 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

 

 

Endless debate about the way to build. Personally glad they've never purposefully taken this ride into the ditch. With prime talent like EP, QH & TD locked in, would rather remain optimistic.

Why is this team so opposed to drafting another potential EP/QH when the season is lost? or give themselves another crack at it really.

 

Edited March 3 by DSVII

[Metal Face Doom]

26 minutes ago, DSVII said:

Why is this team so opposed to drafting another potential EP/QH when the season is lost? or give themselves another crack at it really.

 

They still have the ability to do that with our lottery pick.

[DSVII]

1 hour ago, Metal Face Doom said:

They still have the ability to do that with our lottery pick.

I know its not this group. But we certainly didn't the last two years 

[CanadianRugby]

Canucks are one of the worst teams in the NHL all time in terms of winning. 

 

Benning had the worst run in Canucks history.

 

We're supposed to be impressed that he landed some good young talent?  That's what teams do when they suck. What he should have done is load up on draft picks so that Petey & QH have a strong supporting cast of other young players.  On entry level contracts.  That's how most Stanley Cups are won under the hard cap. 

 

Benning was trash.  

[Metal Face Doom]

1 hour ago, DSVII said:

I know its not this group. But we certainly didn't the last two years 

Absolutely. I think this group is doing a better job at acquiring young assets who are able to contribute now while also bringing in low risk high reward players.  I may not agree with all the moves they've made but I think they've done a decent job at their retool.  

[iceman64]

On 2/24/2023 at 3:41 PM, Alflives said:

Letting Tanev go was a huge mistake. Complimentary partners for number D are not so easy to find. And Tanev is one of the best. Hughes has carried poor partners (really #7 guys) and made them appear a lot better than they really are. 

That would have been true IF Tanev had been 5-7 years younger at least and without his injury list being 30 miles long... 

[iceman64]

3 hours ago, Metal Face Doom said:

Absolutely. I think this group is doing a better job at acquiring young assets who are able to contribute now while also bringing in low risk high reward players.  I may not agree with all the moves they've made but I think they've done a decent job at their retool.  

We need a rebuild, re-tool is the last thing we need, a full on rebuild is needed. Anyone not named Demko can be let go for the right price, Thatcher still capable of becoming one of Vancouver's best goalies ever, bubble Demko edition showed that.

 

  

Edited March 4 by iceman64

[iceman64]

44 minutes ago, iceman64 said:

 Hmmm a wtf moment..

 

Edited March 4 by iceman64

[Ballisticsports.]

17 hours ago, CanadianRugby said:

Canucks are one of the worst teams in the NHL all time in terms of winning. 

 

Benning had the worst run in Canucks history.

 

We're supposed to be impressed that he landed some good young talent?  That's what teams do when they suck. What he should have done is load up on draft picks so that Petey & QH have a strong supporting cast of other young players.  On entry level contracts.  That's how most Stanley Cups are won under the hard cap. 

 

Benning was trash.  

I agree his timing for trading draft picks and outbidding for lower roster players for long term, while EP and Hughes were young was all wrong

He should have retained those picks and start trading some when the opportunity arose to improve where EP and Hughes are now (not then)

Now we have lil choice with not being able to bring in those ELC players we would have had, if we had then kept the picks

Since then it has been a tangled mess with EP and QH stuck with overpaid, underperforming players that we sat in the box, in the minors, or to play for other teams and on top of giving up drafts to get those overpaid bottom liners, we then doubled down and traded more picks to get rid of them (and sign more of the same). We lost a very good opportunity here to build when these guys were stars at such a young age and hopefully that isn't lost and too late

[The Lock]

I think the problem we have right now is that we almost have no good scenario and it seems like we're forced to figure out what the least worst scenario is.

 

So yes, we have great pieces in Pettersson and Hughes and Demko; however, now our timeline feels off to the point where we have to do things now in order to keep them. There is an unfortunate chance that having those players ends up being a waste and that management ends up doing a dis-service to them. Benning made mistakes and I'm inclined to think what Allvin's doing is risky enough for it to just be more mistakes.

 

I get the logic behind most trades in a vacuum though and I've been defending things like the Hronek trade. However, I can't just ignore where we're at and what brought us to this point. We should be a playoff team now. Ideally, we should have been a playoff team last year or even the year before, but we aren't because we were never able to give Pettersson, Hughes, and Demko the support they needed. It doesn't feel like we have a big picture at this point which feels the most disturbing to me.

[Nuxfanabroad]

For a lousy season, so many games this yr have been fun to watch. Today's tilt another fine example.

 

TD's health allowed for one last dip(& a shot at a local prodigy). The timing works.

 

Am already excited to see next yr's squad. Bet they'll be back in the PO-mix.

[awalk]

I don't see anyone ripping Petey or Hughes, in fact I see a lot of "we can't do anything with the future in mind because these two are so good we have to make win now moves."

 

You want people to be happy and appreciative after the last decade of hockey we've been subjected to? Ok there company man.

Edited March 5 by awalk

[86Viking]

On 2/24/2023 at 3:18 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

Petey is one of the best young players in the game, & a budding superstar. In Nov, 2018 I made a (Would U?) proposal, asking if you would trade him 1-for-1 for ANYone(including McD) in the league. Go back 89 pages in the proposal section..comments are now closed, but it sure is there. I still stand by the sentiment. To think we've had this bloke for 3 ELC yrs, then a bridge of 3 x 7 is a true blessing.

 

Then there's QH, who impresses me more with each passing season. In goal, would say TD showed his true colours in the Lost Wages series..but his health has simply been a misfortune.

 

We constantly slag JB..yet the guy drafted these 3 key pieces, that in 5 decades prior, seems no GM could land. Yes his hyperactive over-signings botched things up. But we should keep in mind how these cornerstones were finally acquired.

 

So much salivating over Bedard. Sure it'd be wonderful to luck-out & land this kid. Personally feel the lotto's a rigged deck, & the league'd never allow it..whatever.

 

Maybe it's simply high time we truly appreciate the young stars we have. Accept the previous gaffes, & look forwards optimistically. With the pieces in place, proper development of youth, & cap opening soon, we should be on the upswing in fairly short order.

 

Seems like appreciation is impossible if one can never live in the moment.

I don't get it...where is the appreciation you say:

 

1. We pay to buy those players merchandise

2. We pay to watch them play live

3. We pay to have cable to watch the team, even when they have sucked for a decade with ZERO direction

 

Fans who have been die hard Canuck fans for the past decade nearly watching every game no matter how pathetic the team has been should NOT be asked where is the appreciation in my opinion. Players like EP, QH, TH are the main reasons why we continue watching the Canucks as we see hope for the future with Elite players like them on the team.

 

I am not hopeful when I see FA signings like: Eriksson, Beagle, Myers etc. long term high cap hit contracts constructed in a way to make them buyout proof and unmoveable. We remain a cap strapped team and depending how much the cap goes up we are already over next years cap...why would any team pay fair value for a player like Myers (after SB) Garland, Boeser, JT, Pearson, OEL when 31 NHL teams know we need to dump salary to be compliant. Oh and that doesn't include us trying to add FA's that can try and help our dreadful PK for instance either. Canucks are making moves around the draft it is just a matter of who goes, how much we retain or do we offer a Garland for a Bjorkstand type of return (which would be pathetic considering he was the suppose prize piece in the OEL mind blowing trade the old regime decided to make in a major fukk up to try and save face.

 

We slag JB for good fukking reason!!! He missed on top draft picks too don't forget, Hughes was a no brainer selection after Detroit's f**k up. Then you got the dreadful OJ and JV selections. The quick trading away of McCann, a 30+ goal scorer this season if you didn't know!

 

So ya I think fans are appreciative of the players you mentioned when they open their wallets for team merchandise, specifically branded with their player name and # on top of going to live games, paying obsurd concession and parking prices. It is because of Hughes, Petey and Demko that many fans still watch and cheer for the team. Ain't no other reason to cheer for them other than being a lifetime Canucks fan like myself but many others called bandwagoners are the ones who throw jerseys and whine and bitch online when you should know your words mean sweet fukk all and the team does NOT give 2 shits about you if you watch or not.

 

Do I think I could do a better job, fukking rights but not a chance in hell I ever become the GM cause I am not in that line of work but after 10 years of rinsing and repeating you would think whoever the GM is would realize most fans are sick of seeing the same thing happen. Being capped out this whole time was a massive failure by current and previous management. What other bottom feeder teams have done what Vancouver has....NONE! 

 

Canucks never took advantage of having some cap space to acquire higher round picks prospects/young NHL players from top end teams who need to clear space...that is not a recipe for guaranteed success either but it sure gives you more FLEXIBILITY while your teams sucks and is in the league basement!

[Nuxfanabroad]

On 3/6/2023 at 1:53 AM, Neutral said:

I don't get it...where is the appreciation you say:

 

1. We pay to buy those players merchandise

2. We pay to watch them play live

3. We pay to have cable to watch the team, even when they have sucked for a decade with ZERO direction

 

Fans who have been die hard Canuck fans for the past decade nearly watching every game no matter how pathetic the team has been should NOT be asked where is the appreciation in my opinion. Players like EP, QH, TH are the main reasons why we continue watching the Canucks as we see hope for the future with Elite players like them on the team.

 

I am not hopeful when I see FA signings like: Eriksson, Beagle, Myers etc. long term high cap hit contracts constructed in a way to make them buyout proof and unmoveable. We remain a cap strapped team and depending how much the cap goes up we are already over next years cap...why would any team pay fair value for a player like Myers (after SB) Garland, Boeser, JT, Pearson, OEL when 31 NHL teams know we need to dump salary to be compliant. Oh and that doesn't include us trying to add FA's that can try and help our dreadful PK for instance either. Canucks are making moves around the draft it is just a matter of who goes, how much we retain or do we offer a Garland for a Bjorkstand type of return (which would be pathetic considering he was the suppose prize piece in the OEL mind blowing trade the old regime decided to make in a major fukk up to try and save face.

 

We slag JB for good fukking reason!!! He missed on top draft picks too don't forget, Hughes was a no brainer selection after Detroit's f**k up. Then you got the dreadful OJ and JV selections. The quick trading away of McCann, a 30+ goal scorer this season if you didn't know!

 

So ya I think fans are appreciative of the players you mentioned when they open their wallets for team merchandise, specifically branded with their player name and # on top of going to live games, paying obsurd concession and parking prices. It is because of Hughes, Petey and Demko that many fans still watch and cheer for the team. Ain't no other reason to cheer for them other than being a lifetime Canucks fan like myself but many others called bandwagoners are the ones who throw jerseys and whine and bitch online when you should know your words mean sweet fukk all and the team does NOT give 2 shits about you if you watch or not.

 

Do I think I could do a better job, fukking rights but not a chance in hell I ever become the GM cause I am not in that line of work but after 10 years of rinsing and repeating you would think whoever the GM is would realize most fans are sick of seeing the same thing happen. Being capped out this whole time was a massive failure by current and previous management. What other bottom feeder teams have done what Vancouver has....NONE! 

 

Canucks never took advantage of having some cap space to acquire higher round picks prospects/young NHL players from top end teams who need to clear space...that is not a recipe for guaranteed success either but it sure gives you more FLEXIBILITY while your teams sucks and is in the league basement!

Certainly some fair points. Just gonna remain hopeful they can sort out the cap squeeze this summer(at minimal cost).

[Nuxfanabroad]

On 2/25/2023 at 10:05 AM, Bob.Loblaw said:

Enough gushy crap.  This team sucks, man.  Pettersson is the clear-cut leader of this team, but he's going to demand way more success than where we are.  Do you want to know how many current Canucks players were actually drafted by us during the dog years?  Boeser, Demko, Pettersson, Hughes, Silovs, and Podkolzin.  That's it.  Two playoff appearances in a decade, and we only have six drafted players on our current squad.  Would you like to know how many Penguins skaters drafted by Rutherford/Allvin still play for Pittsburgh?  With Kapanen on waivers, the answer is now zero.  That's the new replacing the old - a management team that's actually worse than Benning at drafting.

 

In any case, I'm surprised people still care about plus-minus on a team that has the WORST PENALTY KILL IN THE LEAGUE.  

 

There are warts, no doubt. Overall, think TD's health troubles kiboshed our season. Yet still there've been many memorable games that I've quite enjoyed.

 

Also there's a new vibe building up here..looking forward to seeing the roster they assemble next Fall.