Gurn Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: A guy who was never going to make our team and a 7th round pick is the literal definition of a nothing burger. He played 28 games for the Canucks. The number of games someone plays, that does not make the team is zero. There was also a 7th round pick- not a 16 round pick- which because it doesn't exist, would be nothing. So not 'nothing' It wasn't a big loss, but it was a loss. A dime here, a nickel there, and before you know we are talking real money. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baggins Posted May 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2023 41 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: No need to sugar coat things! (With all due respect) It was not a low risk trade. It was a another poorly thought-out knee-jerk, shoot from the hip, impulsive, trigger-happy decisions by our inexperienced, rookie G.M. (P.A.) made under extreme pressure from Aqua-lini to retool quickly rather than do things right and Re-Build and perform "Major Surgery" (as JR finally broke down and had to admit "needed to be done") so they could try and maintain some semblance of false hope for the remaining fans, who are abandoning this team by the thousands in their endless decades long journey of futility and try to keep them in the seats in an attempt to keep revenues afloat. Trying to rebuild a team by patching it up with proven left-over 1st Round failures that other teams have completely given-up on and are frothing at the mouth to get rid of - is no plan for long term success in anyone's books. Those two assets we threw away for that kid could have been used in a more constructive worthwhile way. Whichever scout on the canucks payroll that made the recommendation to trade for him - should be fired as he FAILED in his recommendation. These BAD scouting reports have plagued this franchise for years and resulted in so many bad trades and draft picks that I've run out of fingers and toes (a long time ago) to count them all on ! Lets call a spade - a spade ! If he's qualified we still hold his NHL rights. Is his signing in the KHL actually terrible? I suspect he signed that KHL deal because he didn't like his chances of making the NHL next fall. So he now has two years in the KHL to develop with no risk of losing him to waivers. Not sure how the risk could be lower. We traded a 24 yr old waiver elligible player with 28 NHL games (1 pt) for a 23 yr old waiver elligible player with 64 NHL games (11 pts). So it cost a 7th round pick for a better waiver elligible prospect. How many 7th rounders make it, never mind have an impact, just make it? Let's skip that past 6 drafts for some development time. 2016 - Zero players with 100 or more NHL games. 2015 - Zero with 300 NHL games, 2 with 200+ games and one other over 100 2014 - Zero with 300 NHL games, 3 with 200+ games and 2 more with over 100 2013 - 1 with 300 games, 2 others with 200+ games, nobody else even made 100 games 2012 - Zero with 200+ games, 3 with 100+ games That's going back a decade.So let's call a spade a spade, the odds are heavily against a 7th rounder. Given the development time it often takes, and waiver elligibility, the odds are also against it happening with the team that drafted them. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Had high hopes for him on our team. JR/PA took a chance, but ultimately, the player failed. Canucks didn't lose much in the trade, so, moving on. Kravtsov couldn't cut the mustard in NA. Not that surprised. Not every high draft pick is cut out for the best league in the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: A guy who was never going to make our team and a 7th round pick is the literal definition of a nothing burger. It the ketchup that dripped out onto the plate. You just don't worry about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Gurn said: He played 28 games for the Canucks. The number of games someone plays, that does not make the team is zero. There was also a 7th round pick- not a 16 round pick- which because it doesn't exist, would be nothing. So not 'nothing' It wasn't a big loss, but it was a loss. A dime here, a nickel there, and before you know we are talking real money. No, it’s a nothingburger. Period. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RU SERIOUS Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 8 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: A guy who was never going to make our team and a 7th round pick is the literal definition of a nothing burger. Still a Draft Pick and a prospect that could be thrown in as icing on the cake on some other deal or used to fill a spot on the farm - instead of being TOTALY wasted. If it was good enough to trade for a bad 1st rounder it might have possibly been used for a mediocre 2nd rounder or better 3rd or 4th rounder. Every asset should be maximized - not squandered - that's how this team got in the rut it's in with fish-bowl thinking like that ! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 13 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: No, it’s a nothingburger. Period. Exactly! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 15 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said: Still a Draft Pick and a prospect that could be thrown in as icing on the cake on some other deal or used to fill a spot on the farm - instead of being TOTALY wasted. If it was good enough to trade for a bad 1st rounder it might have possibly been used for a mediocre 2nd rounder or better 3rd or 4th rounder. Every asset should be maximized - not squandered - that's how this team got in the rut it's in with fish-bowl thinking like that ! We suck cause we traded a 7th round pick Yeah, definitely not making a mountain out of a molehill 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: We suck cause we traded a 7th round pick Yeah, definitely not making a mountain out of a molehill Nobody has said we suck because of the loss of Lockwood and a 7th. But here you are overdramatizing, and building your own mountain. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 There were expectations with Kravdinner, he was a former high draft pick, has size and speed and skills. He should've been really good. For me, it's just disappointment in the player and makes me more skeptical with drafting Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Gurn said: Nobody has said we suck because of the loss of Lockwood and a 7th. But here you are overdramatizing, and building your own mountain. When you say this type of thinking is why we're in a rut as captain pessimist did, yes you are implying that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) So basically no more Kravtsov in a Canucks uniform? The dude signs 2 years in the KHL just in time to make him an UFA - he hates the Canucks that badly? lol. Well this got embarrassing quickly for the "oh my god, he was a #9 pick, hes going to be a gem" bandwagon group. Edited August 9, 2023 by Drakrami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Drakrami said: So basically no more Kravtsov in a Canucks uniform? The dude signs 2 years in the KHL just in time to make him an UFA - he hates the Canucks that badly? lol. Well this got embarrassing quickly for the "oh my god, he was a #9 pick, hes going to be a gem" bandwagon group. He'll still be an RFA after his 2 year contract is over and will be Canucks property... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: He'll still be an RFA after his 2 year contract is over and will be Canucks property... This orc voluntarily went to the biggest $#!+hole on the planet to avoid signing with the Canucks. He's gone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: This orc voluntarily went to the biggest $#!+hole on the planet to avoid signing with the Canucks. He's gone. I will never fault a young player for doing what they think is best for their career even if I don't agree with it, much less call them an orc for doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrwipeout Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 tbh it was either AHL or KHL for him, he does what he thinks is best for him and he needs to develop quite a bit more to be an NHL player....maybe he can take those steps in the KHL? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 9, 2023 Author Share Posted August 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mrwipeout said: tbh it was either AHL or KHL for him, he does what he thinks is best for him and he needs to develop quite a bit more to be an NHL player....maybe he can take those steps in the KHL? A few years ago, I might've agreed, but even if it's home, it's hard to believe that a league that has a war-torn country as it's home is a good league to play in right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrwipeout Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, -AJ- said: A few years ago, I might've agreed, but even if it's home, it's hard to believe that a league that has a war-torn country as it's home is a good league to play in right now. The pay is most likely way better, and he gets icetime with a team on a top 6 line. Russia is big...and i doubt its war torn due to skirmishes, ukraine and close by is another story. Russsians gets pumped with "their side of the story" from the media so maybe hes pro russian politics also.....maybe he misses russian socials and friends? personally i find it horrible whenever i read abt swedish hockeyplayers still playing in the KHL by free will also..but as mentioned, money talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Just hope he comes back and plays more like Kuz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted August 13, 2023 Share Posted August 13, 2023 Still a what and see on this guy. I don’t expect much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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