hammertime Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) Miller to Carolina To VAN Kotkaniemi 4.82 x 7 + Heimosalmi + Koivunen + 2nd Yes the return is underwhelming we would love Morrow/Suzuki but I think we have to accept those guys aren't moving. I don't think Kotkaniemi is the trash most do. People forget how rushed Kotkaniemi was he's only 22 we haven't seen his best yet. He got paid too early but I think over the course of his contract he will exceed it's value. Koivunen and Heimosalmi were both guys I was incredibly high on in their draft years I felt at the time they were both late 1st caliber players and marveled at how lucky Caolina was to get them both in the 2nd. Had my fingers crossed we would take Heimosalmi with the Klim pick. I think if we look at it through the lens of a serviceable good on FO's 3c slightly over paid + 3x2nds we do really well here. Most importantly we ensure we get a higher pick this year and next. Brock Boeser to Pitty 33% retained to Van Taylor Gauthier G + 2nd + Teddy Baby Blueger 2m ufa Gauthier is a fine goalie prospect having posted some very good numbers in both the WHL and AHL level. 2021-22 Prince George Cougars WHL 14 2.75 .923 0 7-5-0 | Portland Winterhawks WHL 28 2.16 .931 4 24-4-0 | Playoffs 11 1.92 .937 1 7-4-0 2022-23 Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins AHL 14 2.42 .918 0 6-2-3 | Draft 5 OA Michkov basically the only player who could challenge Bedard for 1st OA falls to west coast red army. Best production of any Russian prospect ever. 14OA Reinbacher/Simachev/ASP take best D on the board. I like them in this order. 37OA Gulyayev/Minnitian/Bonk/Strbak again take the best D 50OA Kalan Lind Pest Kole's brother so hopefully he knows how hard he has to work to make it. 60OA Carter Sotheran Mammoth RHD plays physically and moves the puck well. 69 OA Juraj Pekarcik PWF playing in Slovakia's top men's league imo he's a future 3rd liner you win with. 90OA Oskar Asplund LDefense overager more than doubling Lekkerimaki's ppg in allsven who we took as I recall pretty high to score points. We take a dip short term but I think we have done well to fill the pipe with players who will be ripening right around the time Michkov drops on a full 3year ELC. We flip the switch in 2026. Rinse repeat next year very good D coming do like the Canes, NJ, and LA fill the pipe with D and use them as currency when we turn the corner. We build a solid foundation that lines up in timeline with the arrival of 21yo Michkov on a 3 year elc. Edit* removed 3rd. and retention on Miller Edited February 28, 2023 by hammertime 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 So if we trade Miller and Boeser I guess Kotkaniemi automatically becomes our new whipping boy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 I have a gut feeling we are going to land Michkov at #4, and pay $10mil to get him in the lineup next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: So if we trade Miller and Boeser I guess Kotkaniemi automatically becomes our new whipping boy? We still have Myers. Ugh smh sometimes I wish we weren't such a shitty fanbase. Kotkaniemi is 22 I don't think it's unreasonable to project him as a 50pt 3c who can win FO's in his prime. Aatu Raty as insurance. Edited February 27, 2023 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: We still have Myers. Ugh smh sometimes I wish we weren't such a shitty fanbase. Kotkaniemi is 22 I don't think it's unreasonable to project him as a 50pt 3c who can win FO's in his prime. Don't forget OEL and his -24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Matvei Michkov Forward -- shoots LBorn Dec 9 2004 -- Perm, Russia [18 yrs. ago] Height 5.08 -- Weight 147 [173 cm/67 kg] EliteProspects lists him as 5'10 and 148 lbs. Does his listed weight not concern people? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 Just now, nuckin_futz said: Don't forget OEL and his -24 Right so I think we're good for whipping boys. Realistically if Minni make the playoffs with 13m dead cap we can too carrying OEL if we build correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 minute ago, nuckin_futz said: Matvei Michkov Forward -- shoots LBorn Dec 9 2004 -- Perm, Russia [18 yrs. ago] Height 5.08 -- Weight 147 [173 cm/67 kg] EliteProspects lists him as 5'10 and 148 lbs. Does his listed weight not concern people? Yes. Yes, it does Futz. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, hammertime said: 5 OA Michkov basically the only player who could challenge Bedard for 1st OA Not sure this is true, Fantilli may be the only one to challenge. Michkov is a Small Russian Winger. Is that 3 red flags? Michkov might be very skilled, but is his game transferable to the NHL? He could be a very dynamic player though, and fit in well with Pettersson, Podkolzon, Raty and Kravtsov in 3-4 years maybe. Are these the tiers? Bedard Fantilli Carlsson Michkov Smith Benson Yager Sale Dvorsky Barlow Moore Sandin-Pellikka Leonard Cristall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 27, 2023 Author Share Posted February 27, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Matvei Michkov Forward -- shoots LBorn Dec 9 2004 -- Perm, Russia [18 yrs. ago] Height 5.08 -- Weight 147 [173 cm/67 kg] EliteProspects lists him as 5'10 and 148 lbs. Does his listed weight not concern people? By the time we get him he will have so much HGH in his system he will be 6'2 220. No his size doesn't concern me. If we build our team correctly to take advantage of his talent. The Kid has 20 points in 27 games for Sochi KHL thats nuts. Edited February 27, 2023 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 28 minutes ago, hammertime said: By the time we get him he will have so much HGH in his system he will be 6'2 220. No his size doesn't concern me. If we build our team correctly to take advantage of his talent. The Kid has 20 points in 27 games for Sochi KHL thats nuts. We've managed to build 1 or 2 teams correctly in 50+ years. So it kinda does concern me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 33 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Matvei Michkov Forward -- shoots LBorn Dec 9 2004 -- Perm, Russia [18 yrs. ago] Height 5.08 -- Weight 147 [173 cm/67 kg] EliteProspects lists him as 5'10 and 148 lbs. Does his listed weight not concern people? Concerns me. I'd rather have Bedard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Canucks needs: Bedard Fantilli Carlsson Benson Smith Yager Sale Sandin-Pellikka Reinbacher Dvorsky Moore Cristall Don't really need RW or LD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said: So if we trade Miller and Boeser I guess Kotkaniemi automatically becomes our new whipping boy? Not as long as Myers and OEL are on the team they have the crown they pass back and forth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 If the Canucks can pick up another 1 or 2 first rounders this year imagine: Michkov Reinbacher Cristall Honzek (Giants product) That's fast tracking a rebuild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted February 27, 2023 Share Posted February 27, 2023 Michkov is going to Washington and agent 8 is going to ask his buddy Putin to get him out of that contract in the KHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 28, 2023 Author Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Canucks needs: Bedard Fantilli Carlsson Benson Smith Yager Sale Sandin-Pellikka Reinbacher Dvorsky Moore Cristall Don't really need RW or LD Don't really need Benson Smith Yager Sale Cristall either so starting to narrow it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 hours ago, BureBurrito said: If the Canucks can pick up another 1 or 2 first rounders this year imagine: Michkov Reinbacher Cristall Honzek (Giants product) That's fast tracking a rebuild That would be amazing but I can't see the Canucks having 3-4 1st rounders in this Draft. If they ended up with Michkov and Reinbacher, I'd be happy, if Michkov played LW, which I'm sure he can. One day... Michkov - Pettersson - Lekkerimaki Podkolzin - Miller - Kravtsov Mikheyev - Raty - Klimovich Hughes - Reinbacher Price (with the 2nd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 hours ago, BCNate said: I have a gut feeling we are going to land Michkov at #4, and pay $10mil to get him in the lineup next season. But there is ELC. We can't just pay him 10 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myre Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 hours ago, nuckin_futz said: Matvei Michkov Forward -- shoots LBorn Dec 9 2004 -- Perm, Russia [18 yrs. ago] Height 5.08 -- Weight 147 [173 cm/67 kg] EliteProspects lists him as 5'10 and 148 lbs. Does his listed weight not concern people? A lot about him is concerning. I sincerely hope we do not pick him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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