Josh Bloom | LW

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said:

I would strongly disagree with ya Alf, Gillis would have been better suited to being President and leave GM to someone better at trading and drafting. 

 

I've done the math, of the team that went all the way to game 7 against Boston, more than 78% of all minutes and point production came from guys who were added to the team by Dave Nonis or Brian Burke. Gillis added some nice support people, but that could have been. handled by a lot of different GMs. His swing for the fences in holding out to sign Sundin likely cost us other UFAs who could have helped immediately.  His other swing for the fences trade in adding Keith Ballard was a massive failure as well.

 

Gillis has been over rated because he was at the helm when we went to the Cup, but he did not assemble the core that did it.

You’re wasting your time with Alf. He never provides any facts or research. As far as I’m concerned he’s a troll. Never has any intelligent input. 

[AnthonyG]

56 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We agree. Gillis took an existing core and used every means available to build a great supporting cast so that core could reach greatness. The club’s record shows that. That was his job and he did it well. 
Benning was given an impossible task. Our owner directed him to rebuild a new core, retool the supporting cast, and do both while still trying to compete. Fortunately we came out of those 8 years with a nearly complete new core. 
The new management team completed the Benning core by adding Hronek. And they continue to retool the supporting cast. I truly believe they will go one win better than Gillis and bring our club the Cup. 

Dude Alf, how hard is if to do your job when you have disposable assets because 2 other GMs built that team. YOU could have done the same job and got the same results. How hard was it to convince Hammer a BC boy, to sign and play for his favourite team growing up? A monkey could have done his job. Hell Mike Milbury would have been hailed a god damn hero if he were in the chair. Mike Gillis has never found his way back to the NHL, that alone says enough about the job he did. Was he well researched? Hell yes! But was he actually a GM who pulled off landslide trades, drafted and developed players, made something out of nothing? Hell f***ing no.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

You’re wasting your time with Alf. He never provides any facts or research. As far as I’m concerned he’s a troll. Never has any intelligent input. 

Can you refute the two President’s trophies and game seven of the Cup? Who was the GM during those great Canuck years? My goodness. Open your eyes to the facts young fellow. 

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, AnthonyG said:

Dude Alf, how hard is if to do your job when you have disposable assets because 2 other GMs built that team. YOU could have done the same job and got the same results. How hard was it to convince Hammer a BC boy, to sign and play for his favourite team growing up? A monkey could have done his job. Hell Mike Milbury would have been hailed a god damn hero if he were in the chair. Mike Gillis has never found his way back to the NHL, that alone says enough about the job he did. Was he well researched? Hell yes! But was he actually a GM who pulled off landslide trades, drafted and developed players, made something out of nothing? Hell f***ing no.

You be so wrong friend. It’s inarguable fact that Gillis was GM (and z president) during our most successful era. Why bother trying to fight against that fact? 

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

We agree. Gillis took an existing core and used every means available to build a great supporting cast so that core could reach greatness. The club’s record shows that. That was his job and he did it well. 
Benning was given an impossible task. Our owner directed him to rebuild a new core, retool the supporting cast, and do both while still trying to compete. Fortunately we came out of those 8 years with a nearly complete new core. 
The new management team completed the Benning core by adding Hronek. And they continue to retool the supporting cast. I truly believe they will go one win better than Gillis and bring our club the Cup. 

What I will tip my hat to Gillis for, was how innovative he was in the NHL. He took things from how the NBA and MLB were doing things, sleep doctors, dietitians and all sorts of sport science and applied it to an elite team to maximize performance. That was truly brilliant and almost worked. But in terms of making an actual impact on the organization, it was devastation left behind. No prospects outside Horvat who looked like a longshot due to his skating, thankfully he worked his butt off and came back the following season a stronger skater, which ultimately was one of the biggest reasons he landed himself captaincy, his work ethic and dedication to be a better player and leading by example. Outside of that he really didnt leave JB anything of significant value. Remember, Kesler was a Burke guy, not a Gillis guy. So really almost everything left behind was from Nonis and Burke. 
 

you need to accept it and move on from Gillis, his impact was short lived. Realistically he took over and in under 6 years it was over and a rebuild was desperately needed

[VegasCanuck]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

We agree. Gillis took an existing core and used every means available to build a great supporting cast so that core could reach greatness. The club’s record shows that. That was his job and he did it well. 
Benning was given an impossible task. Our owner directed him to rebuild a new core, retool the supporting cast, and do both while still trying to compete. Fortunately we came out of those 8 years with a nearly complete new core. 
The new management team completed the Benning core by adding Hronek. And they continue to retool the supporting cast. I truly believe they will go one win better than Gillis and bring our club the Cup. 

Good spin, Alf...

 

[AnthonyG]

15 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Can you refute the two President’s trophies and game seven of the Cup? Who was the GM during those great Canuck years? My goodness. Open your eyes to the facts young fellow. 

The facts are in 6 years he ruined the organization.

it wasnt his impact that made the difference

Luongo? Nope. Nonis

Sedins, Kesler, Edler, Bieska, Burrows, Salo, Schneider?? Nope Burke

 

open YOUR eyes.

 

Facts are Gillis didnt build sh*t

[AnthonyG]

20 minutes ago, Alflives said:

You be so wrong friend. It’s inarguable fact that Gillis was GM (and z president) during our most successful era. Why bother trying to fight against that fact? 

Haha yea he was the GM “during” the most successful era.

It wasnt the most successful era BECAUSE of Gillass

Figure it out bud.

 

Facts are Vancouver finished 23rd in 2014 under Gillis

Finished  8th in 2015 under Benning loooool

 

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Haha yea he was the GM “during” the most successful era.

It wasnt the most successful era BECAUSE of Gillass

Figure it out bud.

 

Facts are Vancouver finished 23rd in 2014 under Gillis

Finished  8th in 2015 under Benning loooool

 

Gillis won GM of the year. 
Gillis won two president's trophies.

Gillis got to game seven of the Cup.

 

Benning won the “I ran out of time” medal of ineptitude. 

[goog16]

did you say Benning...

[AnthonyG]

24 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Gillis won GM of the year. 
Gillis won two president's trophies.

Gillis got to game seven of the Cup.

 

Benning won the “I ran out of time” medal of ineptitude. 

Yea ran out of time in the middle of a pandemic. No sh*t sherlock

lmao and how did letting Toffoli, Tanev and Markstrom walk to CGY workout for CGY?

lmao he saved 1.5mil in cap and cut out a bunch of term to manage his upcoming contracts like that Pettersson guy, Hughes, Demko, Miller, Horvat if he was still around.

 

Tell me you are near sighted without telling me hahahahaha. Lets invest in aging players again bahahahaha.

 

heres what Benning has to say about Gillis’s game 7

 

[kenhodgejr]

So how's Josh Bloom doing? 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

22 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said:

So how's Josh Bloom doing? 

Doing great. I think he’s had something like 16 points in 12 games since the trade.

 

Recently was picked as the best penalty killer in OHL East this season by Brock Otten (OHL Prospects blog and McKeen’s director of scouting).
 

Bloom also has the most shorthanded goals of any OHL player over the past two seasons (he scored 11 SHGs combined for 2021-22 and 2022-23).

[canucklehead44]

12 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Haha yea he was the GM “during” the most successful era.

It wasnt the most successful era BECAUSE of Gillass

Figure it out bud.

 

Facts are Vancouver finished 23rd in 2014 under Gillis

Finished  8th in 2015 under Benning loooool

 

So you give Gillis no credit for his success but then give Benning credit for making the playoffs with Gillis' team? The only year one of Benning's teams made the playoffs (the covid bubble season we were on track to miss). Benning didn't put his stamp on his team really till 2016 - trading a pick and McCann (we had DeBrincat ranked 13 - that pick was 36 and DeBrincat went 38) so essentially two 40 goal scorers for Gudbranson, then paying him 4 million per year to be statistically one of the worst players in the NHL. He made at the time a reasonable save moving him for Pearson but now Pearson is basically a buyout candidate as well. 

The facts speak for themselves. No point in arguing with a troll. Benning was consistently ranked as one of the bottom three GMs in the NHL. He was seen as a complete joke to other fanbases yet somehow despite trading away more picks than he acquired, icing a horrible team, spending to the cap, getting us stuck in bad contracts. We are going to continue to pay for Benning's stupidty for many more years because he thought acquiring one of the worst contracts in the NHL was a good idea, then paid a top 10 pick and a 2nd during a rebuild to dump his terrible free agent signings who had one year left on their contract. 

That said I am glad Benning is gone and am VERY happy with Allvin so far. 

[Fred65]

20 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

So you give Gillis no credit for his success but then give Benning credit for making the playoffs with Gillis' team? The only year one of Benning's teams made the playoffs (the covid bubble season we were on track to miss). Benning didn't put his stamp on his team really till 2016 - trading a pick and McCann (we had DeBrincat ranked 13 - that pick was 36 and DeBrincat went 38) so essentially two 40 goal scorers for Gudbranson, then paying him 4 million per year to be statistically one of the worst players in the NHL. He made at the time a reasonable save moving him for Pearson but now Pearson is basically a buyout candidate as well. 

The facts speak for themselves. No point in arguing with a troll. Benning was consistently ranked as one of the bottom three GMs in the NHL. He was seen as a complete joke to other fanbases yet somehow despite trading away more picks than he acquired, icing a horrible team, spending to the cap, getting us stuck in bad contracts. We are going to continue to pay for Benning's stupidty for many more years because he thought acquiring one of the worst contracts in the NHL was a good idea, then paid a top 10 pick and a 2nd during a rebuild to dump his terrible free agent signings who had one year left on their contract. 

That said I am glad Benning is gone and am VERY happy with Allvin so far. 

The Benning brigade are faithful or well trained. There's little of no logic to  th praise they shine on him. Gillis on the other hand managed the greatest  era in the franchises history and some have the audacity to suggest him to be a nobody. You can list the players he brought to the roster the success he had and some attempt to blow it off with elementary school logic. Well it ain't haappening on my watch. The true story is Aquamans firing the best GM ever and hiring a no body with a reduced caapacity. Rutherford and Allvin are trying to crawl out from the debris left from the JB era and it ain't easy

[canucklehead44]

5 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

The Benning brigade are faithful or well trained. There's little of no logic to  th praise they shine on him. Gillis on the other hand managed the greatest  era in the franchises history and some have the audacity to suggest him to be a nobody. You can list the players he brought to the roster the success he had and some attempt to blow it off with elementary school logic. Well it ain't haappening on my watch. The true story is Aquamans firing the best GM ever and hiring a no body with a reduced caapacity. Rutherford and Allvin are trying to crawl out from the debris left from the JB era and it ain't easy

It is truly astonishing. Benning gets way too much credit for draft picks - when in fact he overrode Larkin for Virtanen, selected Juolevi, was pushing for Cody Glass and then had Hughes fall into his lap. I was heartbroken when we got the 7th pick because I wanted Hughes and did not expect him to be available. 

 

Our development system was horrendous during Benning’s reign. It was bad during Gillis too which is why he lead the charge to buy an AHL team (issues after we lost the Moose and got stuck with the Wolves).

 

Gillis gets so much flack for the Ballard trade when in fact at the time it was actually an excellent move - it just didn’t work out. Benning’s moves were often horrible at the time and aged even worse. 
 

Gillis was planning for a rebuild - and that is a big reason why he got fired. 

 

I wasn’t a fan of the Hronek deal when it happened, but this is essentially the third time we moved a 1st and 2nd for a defenseman. OEL and Gudbranson were both statistical nightmares (and defendants crapped on the analytics folks) whereas Hronek is actually very good and a pretty rare player - someone actually worth giving up a lot for.

 

I feel optimistic about this upcoming season and don’t dread July 1st like I used to.

 

 

[RomanP]

2 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

It is truly astonishing. Benning gets way too much credit for draft picks - when in fact he overrode Larkin for Virtanen, selected Juolevi, was pushing for Cody Glass and then had Hughes fall into his lap. I was heartbroken when we got the 7th pick because I wanted Hughes and did not expect him to be available. 

 

Our development system was horrendous during Benning’s reign. It was bad during Gillis too which is why he lead the charge to buy an AHL team (issues after we lost the Moose and got stuck with the Wolves).

 

Gillis gets so much flack for the Ballard trade when in fact at the time it was actually an excellent move - it just didn’t work out. Benning’s moves were often horrible at the time and aged even worse. 
 

Gillis was planning for a rebuild - and that is a big reason why he got fired. 

 

I wasn’t a fan of the Hronek deal when it happened, but this is essentially the third time we moved a 1st and 2nd for a defenseman. OEL and Gudbranson were both statistical nightmares (and defendants crapped on the analytics folks) whereas Hronek is actually very good and a pretty rare player - someone actually worth giving up a lot for.

 

I feel optimistic about this upcoming season and don’t dread July 1st like I used to.

 

 

How is this Gillis vs Benning vs Allvin discussion relevant to Josh Bloom thread? Start a new thread for that.

[canucklehead44]

24 minutes ago, RomanP said:

How is this Gillis vs Benning vs Allvin discussion relevant to Josh Bloom thread? Start a new thread for that.

I didn’t start it but you are right.

 

So how about that Josh Bloom kid? Point per game in the playoffs so far 

[Gawdzukes]

14 hours ago, Alflives said:

Gillis won GM of the year. 
Gillis won two president's trophies.

Gillis got to game seven of the Cup.

 

Benning won the “I ran out of time” medal of ineptitude. 

 

13 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Yea ran out of time in the middle of a pandemic. No sh*t sherlock

lmao and how did letting Toffoli, Tanev and Markstrom walk to CGY workout for CGY?

lmao he saved 1.5mil in cap and cut out a bunch of term to manage his upcoming contracts like that Pettersson guy, Hughes, Demko, Miller, Horvat if he was still around.

 

Tell me you are near sighted without telling me hahahahaha. Lets invest in aging players again bahahahaha.

 

heres what Benning has to say about Gillis’s game 7

 

Hate to break it to you fellas but these aren't playboy centerfolds they're old hockey guys who were GM's, and both are long gone. No need to fawn over either both did some good and some bad. Gillis brought the team close but was given the gift of free spending to the cap for the first time. After our runs I've never seen a GM look so so dazed and confused in my entire life. Needed to find some support for Kesler but could not unravel his spending and NMC's. Benning drafted some great players and made some good moves but got super impatient ... and then OEL and Garland happened. 

 

Either way they are both gone. Just a waste of time arguing who you had a crush on. They are simply business people with no current bearing on our club at all.

Edited April 5 by Gawdzukes

[AnthonyG]

3 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

So you give Gillis no credit for his success but then give Benning credit for making the playoffs with Gillis' team? The only year one of Benning's teams made the playoffs (the covid bubble season we were on track to miss). Benning didn't put his stamp on his team really till 2016 - trading a pick and McCann (we had DeBrincat ranked 13 - that pick was 36 and DeBrincat went 38) so essentially two 40 goal scorers for Gudbranson, then paying him 4 million per year to be statistically one of the worst players in the NHL. He made at the time a reasonable save moving him for Pearson but now Pearson is basically a buyout candidate as well. 

The facts speak for themselves. No point in arguing with a troll. Benning was consistently ranked as one of the bottom three GMs in the NHL. He was seen as a complete joke to other fanbases yet somehow despite trading away more picks than he acquired, icing a horrible team, spending to the cap, getting us stuck in bad contracts. We are going to continue to pay for Benning's stupidty for many more years because he thought acquiring one of the worst contracts in the NHL was a good idea, then paid a top 10 pick and a 2nd during a rebuild to dump his terrible free agent signings who had one year left on their contract. 

That said I am glad Benning is gone and am VERY happy with Allvin so far. 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Fred65 said:

The Benning brigade are faithful or well trained. There's little of no logic to  th praise they shine on him. Gillis on the other hand managed the greatest  era in the franchises history and some have the audacity to suggest him to be a nobody. You can list the players he brought to the roster the success he had and some attempt to blow it off with elementary school logic. Well it ain't haappening on my watch. The true story is Aquamans firing the best GM ever and hiring a no body with a reduced caapacity. Rutherford and Allvin are trying to crawl out from the debris left from the JB era and it ain't easy

 

2 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

It is truly astonishing. Benning gets way too much credit for draft picks - when in fact he overrode Larkin for Virtanen, selected Juolevi, was pushing for Cody Glass and then had Hughes fall into his lap. I was heartbroken when we got the 7th pick because I wanted Hughes and did not expect him to be available. 

 

Our development system was horrendous during Benning’s reign. It was bad during Gillis too which is why he lead the charge to buy an AHL team (issues after we lost the Moose and got stuck with the Wolves).

 

Gillis gets so much flack for the Ballard trade when in fact at the time it was actually an excellent move - it just didn’t work out. Benning’s moves were often horrible at the time and aged even worse. 
 

Gillis was planning for a rebuild - and that is a big reason why he got fired. 

 

I wasn’t a fan of the Hronek deal when it happened, but this is essentially the third time we moved a 1st and 2nd for a defenseman. OEL and Gudbranson were both statistical nightmares (and defendants crapped on the analytics folks) whereas Hronek is actually very good and a pretty rare player - someone actually worth giving up a lot for.

 

I feel optimistic about this upcoming season and don’t dread July 1st like I used to.

 

 

Please… tell me Mike Gillis’s overall impact on from 2008-present

Yes I am stating the present, because his impact should have been felt down the road, long after his dismissal. He had almost zero impact on the future and a few acquisitions that in the grand scheme of things were small. 
The Hamhuis signing was a freebee. A BC boy who held out and wanted to sign with his home town favourite team growing up. 
 

List 10 Gillis’s 10 major impacts on roster construction and the future. I bet you get to 5 and give up.

 

PS @canucklehead44 how the hell do you think you rebuild a depleted organization? THROUGH THE DRAFT.