Josh Bloom | LW

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Hate to break it to you fellas but these aren't playboy centerfolds they're old hockey guys who were GM's, and both are long gone. No need to fawn over either both did some good and some bad. Gillis brought the team close but was given the gift of free spending to the cap for the first time. After our runs I've never seen a GM look so so dazed and confused in my entire life. Needed to find some support for Kesler but could not unravel his spending and NMC's. Benning drafted some great players and made some good moves but got super impatient ... and then OEL and Garland happened. 

 

Either way they are both gone. Just a waste of time arguing who you had a crush on. They are simply business people with no current bearing on our club at all.

Well said

Ultimately Benning completed his task, rebuild the core. If anyone truly believed he could replace an entire team and restock an entire farm system in under 8 drafts…. Is absolutely insane. 
 

 

[Alflives]

Just now, AnthonyG said:

Well said

Ultimately Benning completed his task, rebuild the core. If anyone truly believed he could replace an entire team and restock an entire farm system in under 8 drafts…. Is absolutely insane. 
 

 

So our owner is insane, or had insane expectations for Benning? With that I agree. Now why did our owner expect such success from Benning? Clearly the expectations were so high becasue our owner just had Gillis build a great team and expected Benning to do the same. Gillis' greatness had a definite impact on our owner's expectations for Benning.

I see the Bloom trade as a Gillis like move. Another example of this new management looking like they will replicate the Gillis' greatness. 

[AnthonyG]

11 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So our owner is insane, or had insane expectations for Benning? With that I agree. Now why did our owner expect such success from Benning? Clearly the expectations were so high becasue our owner just had Gillis build a great team and expected Benning to do the same. Gillis' greatness had a definite impact on our owner's expectations for Benning.

I see the Bloom trade as a Gillis like move. Another example of this new management looking like they will replicate the Gillis' greatness. 

I dont think its all the owner either, its the fans expectations and interpretations that are just as insane. 
Where did Gillis snatch a good prospect in his tenure? Hodgson for DUI Kassian?
Bloom hasnt even done anything or shown anything at an NHL level.

[Fred65]

2 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Well said

Ultimately Benning completed his task, rebuild the core. If anyone truly believed he could replace an entire team and restock an entire farm system in under 8 drafts…. Is absolutely insane. 
 

 

Let's get a couple of facts out there. Gillis convinced FA to buy our own farm team, big move. Up until then we were sharing teams and putting players where ever we could, think Chicago Wolves fiasco, Also he wanted to rebuild the team in 2012 but was stopped and fired for the recommendation. I might add Torts recommmended the same route, he was fired too. FA brought in an rookie GM who failed to produce any thing. His drafting included Juolevi, Virtanen and traded away 2 high first round pick, thats 4 wasted pick if my math is correct. He of course added and huge cost Beagle, Ericksson, Goldobin, Chaput, need I go on and then of course made that celebrated remark.

 

Quote

“I like this team - I like the core players. This is a team we can turn around in a hurry.” - Benning

— Vancouver Canucks (@VanCanucks) May 23, 2014

Well we can see how he turned the team around ( not ) and left with a Salary Cap disaster which JR/PA are gallantly trying to solve. I'm confident JB will never be hired as either a GM or a scout again. Gillis stepped away and was a Prof at U Vic and now with the NHLPA 

Edited April 5 by Fred65

[Timråfan]

3 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Well said

Ultimately Benning completed his task, rebuild the core. If anyone truly believed he could replace an entire team and restock an entire farm system in under 8 drafts…. Is absolutely insane. 
 

 

Look at PA… How many players has he brought in a little bit more than a year?

If PA gets 8 years he restock the Canucks farm systems three times. 

Benning… Mehh

[AnthonyG]

39 minutes ago, Fred65 said:

Let's get a couple of facts out there. Gillis convinced FA to buy our own farm team, big move. Up until then we were sharing teams and putting players where ever we could, think Chicago Wolves fiasco, Also he wanted to rebuild the team in 2012 but was stopped and fired for the recommendation. I might add Torts recommmended the same route, he was fired too. FA brought in an rookie GM who failed to produce any thing. His drafting included Juolevi, Virtanen and traded away 2 high first round pick, thats 4 wasted pick if my math is correct. He of course added and huge cost Beagle, Ericksson, Goldobin, Chaput, need I go on and then of course made that celebrated remark.

 

Well we can see how he turned the team around ( not ) and left with a Salary Cao disaster which JR/PA are gallantly trying to solve. I'm confident JB will never be hired as either a GM or a scout again. Gillis stepped away and was a Prof at U Vic and now with the NHLPA 

He was fired in 2014

He moved 2 #1 goalies which would support a green light of being allowed to slowly rebuild.

I see you mention 2 of JBs “missed picks” 

I havent seen you mention 1 of Gillis’s picks period.

If you are going to blame JB for OJs injuries, are you going to blame Nonis for Bourdon? How ignorant are you? Health is not a scale of how to determine wether or not that player has the skill and IQ to play. Health is completely unavoidable. OJ was consistently ranked the highest Dman by most experts. Not only that, but when was our last dman drafted in the 1st round? NINETEEN NINETY EIGHT Bryan F***ing Allen. When the hell do you plan on EVER rebuilding the blueline if you never select a dman in the 1st round? You are banking on a hope and prayer eternally.

 

Which rookie GM you talking about? Gillass? Or JB who at least had AGM exp?

 

Also JV was a Aquaweenie pick from what I heard. Not only that JB was hired 5 weeks prior to the 2014 draft where he was working with Boston all the way up until his hiring, look who Boston drafted? Pastrnak. McCann dropped in the draft and we selected BPA. 
You know what changed after the 2014 draft? OUR SCOUTING DEPARTMENT.

 

Who convinced FA to move the farm closer to home? JB.

 

Goldobin had potential. How many more games did Hansen play? 

61GP over 2 seasons with SJS before he was no longer an NHL player, so kudos to JB for moving a 9th round pick at the end of his career to obtain a 20 year recent 1st round pick who had plenty of potential.

 

Now heres where the IQ really shows on you. 
If you honestly believe Jay Beagle, Tim Schaller and Antoine Roussel were brought in to replace the Sedins…. LOOOOOOL 

Outgo the Twins, in come Beagle, Roussel and Schaller, you know why they were brought in? TO PROVIDE EXPERIENCE AND PLAY SPECIFIC ROLES TO HELP DEVELOP YOUTH AT THE NHL LEVEL. Such as Pettersson, Hughes, Boeser, Gaudette, Virtanen etc etc. Jeez man, you really are clueless. Think BIG PICTURE not little picture. I know all you think about or see is today, but you should probably start planning for tomorrow.

 

Also Eriksson was also a Sedin thing, they talked and the idea was fitting and everyone agreed. Not only that but this was out of respect for the l twins, to not put them through a rebuild to end their bloody careers. He rebuilt in the background without sacrificing any picks up til 2020 which was entirely worth it, infact that trade skyrocketed in value in favour of the Canucks. Without tearing it to the ground which wasnt really much to sell off, he still successfully found.

 

2014 Demko

2015 Boeser

2017 Pettersson

2018 Hughes

2019+ developing

 

Flipped Burrows for Dahlen then Dahlen for Karlsson

 

Brisebois is lookin good

 

Lind was stolen in the expansion draft, or did you completely forget that sh*t happened? 

 

Gadjovich is starting to make his presence known as a tough guy

 

Tryamkin ran home. Bennings fault right?

 

Gaudette was a snag and has had more NHL impact that 99% of Gillass’s picks.

 

JT was not a wasted pick and your IQ shows more and more. Or less and less? Idk kinda hard to tell whats going on up there.

 

JV was mishandled. Look at his TOI and ice distribution, lack of PP 1 time, his point production and his ever increasing defensive zone deployment. 
puts up 18g 18a without PP 1 or favourable ice time. So the next season Green decides hes going to give him 37%oZS. Lmfao, brilliant, absolutely brilliant. But I mean I guess he wasnt wrong, considering Virtanen was on for a total of 9 even strength goals against in 38GP.

 

 

Explain this salary cap disaster? Cant be any worse than the one he inheritted. Lmfao the funniest part in all of this is you clowns hail a guy who took an organization at its peak and ran it into the ground and sh*t on a GM who took it from nothing and made very few mistakes and built from the ground up and his work is what we are watching today and he is the reason we will be a contender.

 

I guess the salary cap disasters are

Hughes

Demko

Pettersson

Horvat at the time

Miller at the time

OEL

Myers….

Their cap predicament has nothing to do with a nearly 5mil PKer in Mikheyev right? 

or doubling down on Boeser right?

Not capitalizing on Miller or Garlands value…..

yep seems to me like they made their own bed to sleep in. They had options and plllllenty of them. 
Miller could have been moved for a fortune in the offseason. PA chose to resign him….

They moved Bo.. okay sure saved some cap there…

Hoglander>Garland… but no… they chose to keep Garland instead of capitalizing on an opportunity to move him, call Hoglander up on an ELC and save over 3mil….

Qualified Boeser when they could have moved him for a very late 1st or 2nd round pick…

They are as guilty of making their own bed in all of this. Oh and incase you missed the last 2 years of life, there was this pandemic that shut planet earth (the one us actual canuck fans live on) down for 2 years. Prevented a 4-8mil cap increase in 2020 and flattened the cap leaving JB with little to no time to figure out solutions because EVERYONE was holding their cards tight.

 

PS I dont count 10 impactful moves from Gillis yet. Care to finish what you started listing, or did it stop there?

[AnthonyG]

16 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Look at PA… How many players has he brought in a little bit more than a year?

If PA gets 8 years he restock the Canucks farm systems three times. 

Benning… Mehh

Hahahaha Benning Meh??? I guess Brian Burke was meh too eh?

 

Whos your favourite player on the Canucks?

[Timråfan]

10 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Hahahaha Benning Meh??? I guess Brian Burke was meh too eh?

 

Whos your favourite player on the Canucks?

Guess two times or one since I’m from Timrå…

 

Benning was a real meeehh.

Without his swedish scouts and the one who convinced him of Hughes it would have been a real mess.

[higgyfan]

Man, Canucks fans always living in the past.  One of you should start a thread so that you can argue to your

hearts' content about past GMs, instead of soiling Josh Bloom's thread?  Josh doesn't give a shite about

past GMs, but he's sure liking the new guy.  Off you go boys...just piss off now.

[Alflives]

19 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Hahahaha Benning Meh??? I guess Brian Burke was meh too eh?

 

Whos your favourite player on the Canucks?

It’s not about a favourite player; it’s about a winning team. Gillis built a winning team. Additions like Bloom are steps to building a winning team. Gillis was great, as proven by the club’s success. Benning was terrible, as proven by the club’s failure. New management is building much like Gillis did, so IMHAO they will be successful. 

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

Man, Canucks fans always living in the past.  One of you should start a thread so that you can argue to your

hearts' content about past GMs, instead of soiling Josh Bloom's thread?  Josh doesn't give a shite about

past GMs, but he's sure liking the new guy.  Off you go boys...just piss off now.

The Bloom acquisition is an example of a positive team building move. That’s the relationship to Gillis and departure from Benning. 

[higgyfan]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The Bloom acquisition is an example of a positive team building move. That’s the relationship to Gillis and departure from Benning. 

Do you know how to start a new thread?

[AnthonyG]

15 minutes ago, Alflives said:

It’s not about a favourite player; it’s about a winning team. Gillis built a winning team. Additions like Bloom are steps to building a winning team. Gillis was great, as proven by the club’s success. Benning was terrible, as proven by the club’s failure. New management is building much like Gillis did, so IMHAO they will be successful. 

HAHHAHAHAH BUILT A WINNING TEAM? Holy crap man. Yea I’m done replying to you, you are a complete and total troll. 
Building would imply he made the core of

Daniel

Henrik

Burrows

Bieksa

Kesler

Luongo

Schneider

Edler

Salo

 

There should be something done about trolls like you. You serve no good purpose on these forums.

 

GET THIS EVERYBODY 

JOSH BLOOM IS THE START OF A WINNING FRANCHISE. Not Pettersson, not Hughes, not Demko, Boeser, Miller, Podkolzin, Hoglander. Nope its all starting with bloom, the rest mentioned above are plugs.

 

at what point do the moderators of these forums give trolls like yourself a timeout and a couple counselling sessions. My goodness, anyone who supports your view is out of their bloody mind….. “BUILT” LOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

The only thing Gillis built was a grave for the future. Thankfully my boy JB filled that hole in and avoided hell.

 

[Timråfan]

41 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

HAHHAHAHAH BUILT A WINNING TEAM? Holy crap man. Yea I’m done replying to you, you are a complete and total troll. 
Building would imply he made the core of

Daniel

Henrik

Burrows

Bieksa

Kesler

Luongo

Schneider

Edler

Salo

 

There should be something done about trolls like you. You serve no good purpose on these forums.

 

GET THIS EVERYBODY 

JOSH BLOOM IS THE START OF A WINNING FRANCHISE. Not Pettersson, not Hughes, not Demko, Boeser, Miller, Podkolzin, Hoglander. Nope its all starting with bloom, the rest mentioned above are plugs.

 

at what point do the moderators of these forums give trolls like yourself a timeout and a couple counselling sessions. My goodness, anyone who supports your view is out of their bloody mind….. “BUILT” LOOOOOOOOOOOL

 

The only thing Gillis built was a grave for the future. Thankfully my boy JB filled that hole in and avoided hell.

 

You should know by now that Alf lives in ”now”.

 

You meant Benning dug a hole for himself!?

[bh90]

 

 

Can you guys take this discussion to an appropriate thread? Some of us actually check this thread for Josh Bloom updates not opinions about Dave Nonis and Mike Gillis

[VegasCanuck]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

It’s not about a favourite player; it’s about a winning team. Gillis built a winning team. Additions like Bloom are steps to building a winning team. Gillis was great, as proven by the club’s success. Benning was terrible, as proven by the club’s failure. New management is building much like Gillis did, so IMHAO they will be successful. 

But, Gillis didn't build a winning team. Gillis inherited a REALLY talented core and did a job that any GM in the league could have done. 

 

He was a horrible trader and 78% of all minutes and points played in the 2011 playoff run were played and generated by guys that Gillis had no hand in acquiring. I think he would have been a pretty good President, but he was a below average as a GM.

 

If Gillis was good, he would have been snapped up by another team when he was fired from Vancouver.

 

I would rank our GM's as

 

Brian Burke

Pat Quinn (RIP)

Dave Nonis

Mike Gillis

 

Gillis didn't add:

Luongo

Sedin 1

Sedin 2

Burrows

Kessler

Edler

Bieksa

Hansen

Salo

Raymond

Schneider

 

There's the core of the team. 

[73 Percent]

15 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

But, Gillis didn't build a winning team. Gillis inherited a REALLY talented core and did a job that any GM in the league could have done. 

 

He was a horrible trader and 78% of all minutes and points played in the 2011 playoff run were played and generated by guys that Gillis had no hand in acquiring. I think he would have been a pretty good President, but he was a below average as a GM.

 

If Gillis was good, he would have been snapped up by another team when he was fired from Vancouver.

 

I would rank our GM's as

 

Brian Burke

Pat Quinn (RIP)

Dave Nonis

Mike Gillis

 

Gillis didn't add:

Luongo

Sedin 1

Sedin 2

Burrows

Kessler

Edler

Bieksa

Hansen

Salo

Raymond

Schneider

 

There's the core of the team. 

Why are you wasting your time lol.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, bh90 said:

 

 

Can you guys take this discussion to an appropriate thread? Some of us actually check this thread for Josh Bloom updates not opinions about Dave Nonis and Mike Gillis

Maybe mods can clean up this thread? 

 

@-Vintage Canuck- @-SN- ? 

[AnthonyG]

34 minutes ago, bh90 said:

 

 

Can you guys take this discussion to an appropriate thread? Some of us actually check this thread for Josh Bloom updates not opinions about Dave Nonis and Mike Gillis

my apologies for getting to wrapped up with a bunch of trolls.  

[-SN-]

Lets focus on Bloom in here folks.