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VegasCanuck Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) Welcome to our mess! Don't fix anything, we like it broken.... Edited March 2, 2023 by VegasCanuck 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Welcome to Loserville! 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Nirvanagut Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I'm sure upper management smiling at their defensive lines on paper, and see Hughes/Hronek, Ekman-Larsson/Myers and think "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the fans/other teams/living world who are wrong" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -AJ- Posted March 2, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 Findings from looking at basic stats: - Detroit's top OFD. Can be relied on for 35-50 points. Is currently on pace for 52 points. - 25 years old (younger than Boeser, about a year older than Petey) - Pretty solid +8 rating - Based on TOI, was Detroit's #2 defenseman - 7.4% shooting percentage is a bit high, but he's done it before (7.2% in 2019-20 in 65 games). - Average hitting frequency - Fairly average size (maybe a tiny bit small for a D) at 6'0", 190 lbs - Does not block many shots (similar to Hughes) - Fairly poor giveaway-to-takeaway ratio - About 40-50 PIM per season--rarely fights, but does have two major penalties in his career (unsure if they are fights) - Used on the 2nd PK unit for Detroit with quite good results in that role (lowest PP GA/60 of any defenseman with at least 12 seconds PK time in Detroit) - Used on PP1 for Detroit with Seider often (two d-man unit) - Very good PP shooting percentage (18.1%) - Has the highest PP GF/60 on the PP of any Detroit defender (9.98) - Used fairly defensively in 5v5 with a 43.0% OzS - CORSI of 45.5% is fairly acceptable given his low offensive usage 5v5 - 0/2 career in shootout. Bust. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Nothing special in 5v5 situations, and he prefers carrying the puck out of the zone instead of making breakout passes. He's clearly figured things out this year. Hopefully these numbers keep up or improve later on. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Findings from looking at basic stats: - Detroit's top OFD. Can be relied on for 35-50 points. Is currently on pace for 52 points. - 25 years old (younger than Boeser, about a year older than Petey) - Pretty solid +8 rating - Based on TOI, was Detroit's #2 defenseman - 7.4% shooting percentage is a bit high, but he's done it before (7.2% in 2019-20 in 65 games). - Average hitting frequency - Fairly average size (maybe a tiny bit small for a D) at 6'0", 190 lbs - Does not block many shots (similar to Hughes) - Fairly poor giveaway-to-takeaway ratio - About 40-50 PIM per season--rarely fights, but does have two major penalties in his career (unsure if they are fights) - Used on the 2nd PK unit for Detroit with quite good results in that role (lowest PP GA/60 of any defenseman with at least 12 seconds PK time in Detroit) - Used on PP1 for Detroit with Seider often (two d-man unit) - Very good PP shooting percentage (18.1%) - Has the highest PP GF/60 on the PP of any Detroit defender (9.98) - Used fairly defensively in 5v5 with a 43.0% OzS - CORSI of 45.5% is fairly acceptable given his low offensive usage 5v5 - 0/2 career in shootout. Bust. I've read that he blocks a lot of shots and has a powerful shot from the blue line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted March 2, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2023 As much as I don't like the deal to get him, i hope fans and media give him a fair shake. In isolation, he is a very talented top 4 dman. But I feel media and fans will place the past decade of mediocrity upon his shoulders. Im still not keen about what we gave up in the deal to acquire Hronek, but I do feel he can help us here and help take some of the heavy minutes from Hughes. Im rooting for him. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, higgyfan said: I've read that he blocks a lot of shots and has a powerful shot from the blue line. I can believe the shot based off his shooting percentage on the PP. He doesn't block many shots though. 54 blocks in 60 games isn't much. By comparison Seider has almost 3 times as many blocked shots at 149 blocks in 60 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Finally a Right Shot on the powerplay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shekky Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) I don't really like this deal the more I think about it but its not on me to say if this was good or bad. I do like that Allvin is changing things up but at what cost though only time will tell. Edited March 2, 2023 by Shekky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Coconuts said: We got a RHD with the NYI pick and if I'm being honest with myself I think Reinbacher is gone by that time, Simashev's a lefty, Hronek vs ASP it's probably a good bet that Hronek is at least as good as ASP and we don't have to wait 3 years for him we pay a 2nd for that luxury. Edited March 2, 2023 by hammertime 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 He seems to be a physically bigger version of Sam Girard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQuietQuitter Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 New Christian Ehrhoff? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon.Duck Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, hammertime said: New Christian Ehrhoff? Honestly, seems like it. Smooth skating, play driving defenseman, that’s okay in their own zone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, hammertime said: New Christian Ehrhoff? That'd be nice. I can see the 'why' behind the deal but I think we overpaid considering what Chychrun went for an hour later. Yeah I know RHD vs LHD but when you consider pedigree, size, contract years remaining we still overpaid. Hronek was always going to be behind Seider on Detroit so they were probably looking to take advantage of a team in the exact situation as the Canucks. We played right into their hand imo. At the very least, this deal could have waited until draft day when there is more clarity and picks seem to be more valuable. The timing of this deal doesn't serve our interests. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 Depending on how Hronek pans out; he is likely the replacement for Tyler Myers who, IMO, will be bought out or traded in the off season. Hronek is 8 years younger and cheaper and will not be an RFA with arbitration rights till 2024-25. There could be some cap savings if Myers is moved. Still have some hope for both Schenn and Livingstone to be part of the D next season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 I could definitely see Tocchet playing Hughes and Hronek togethr on the points on PP1. Especially if he thinks this will cut down on those blueline giveaways leading to short-handed goals. This is as long as he also thinks he has someone reasonably capable of playing the point on PP2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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