Popular Post Timråfan Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) I’ve been on this forum since Petey was drafted and have seen the pro players Benning brought in. Besides Miller I struggle to get excited. Now, with PA at the helm since january last year, I got a lot of players to get excited about. This is just over a year since PA took over. Think about that for a while… The players I feel excited about and like to see how good they can be as a Canuck is: Åman Räty Mikhejev Hronek Beauvillier Bloom Kravtsov Kuzmenko Bear When did a Canucks GM bring in so many young gifted players that are ready to play(don’t get stuck on Bloom here )? Then Abbotsford got much better regarding development wich means our prospects can cook for a while and actually get better. Wonderful times ahead. So we have a lot of players from 26 and younger. Edited March 4, 2023 by Timråfan 6 1 7 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Glad you are having fun. You take heat here on CDC for your opinions. But you are entitled to them, loyal to them. I know you love Petey, where he comes from! No love for Lekkerimaki? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted March 4, 2023 Author Share Posted March 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Glad you are having fun. You take heat here on CDC for your opinions. But you are entitled to them, loyal to them. I know you love Petey, where he comes from! No love for Lekkerimaki? I’ve not seen Lekkerimäki much so no. I’ll wait a few years before I say anything in particualr about him as he is still too young. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastico Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 The one thing over the last decade that hasn’t changed is ownership until it changes I doubt the future will be bright. Aquilini just can’t stay out of his own way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post spook007 Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 Refreshing with some positivity after the last few days melt down. cheers 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrago Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 What's your definition of Young? and Gifted? Cause the ones that are gifted aren't particularly young and the young ones aren't particularly gifted. I'll give my definitions Young 23 or younger. Gifted top 6 forward top 4 defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Unlike Benning I have confidence that this management group can get us to mediocre. Last guy couldn’t even do that. Hopefully next group will decide to try for championship calibre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Unlike Benning I have confidence that this management group can get us to mediocre. Last guy couldn’t even do that. Hopefully next group will decide to try for championship calibre. So the owner is selling? Because while he owns the club no management group will have the freedom to build in a way that many believe is how to create a championship calibre team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I'm excited for this team too. Lots of skilled younger players, and we still got a Top 10 1st.. What I find is that when someone negative doesn't get their way here, they blame the owners. It's so silly. I don't think these people understand pro sports. Go Canucks Go! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 48MPHSlapShot Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) It's nice to see the roster getting younger, although it is looking to me like we're just making similar mistakes to one's we've already made. We've already traded a 1st rd pick for an already established NHL player, which seems very much like a Benning type move. An NHL player that, like Nate Schmidt before him, doesn't seem like the best fit for this team on paper. I hope I'm wrong about that. Then there's the strategy of targeting prospects and young players instead of picks. A strat that, again, we've already seen. Rati, Kratsov and Bloom could very easily just be the next Vey, Goldobin and Etem. There are reasons that their respective teams gave up on them. Although, for the price, Bloom and Kratsov are still good gambles. Then there's the fact that it looks like they may have already botched their first 1st rd pick. Lekkerimaki's stock has already taken a nosedive. Obviously the first reaction to this will be "We just drafted him and you're already writing him off?", but c'mon, how often does a high end prospect fall off a cliff and then regain all of their stock? Then there's the fact that, yet again, we've failed to remove any significant money off the books. Boeser, Garland, Miller, Myers and OEL are all still here and still making their millions. Saying "we ran out of time" only works for so long and saying "teams weren't willing to meet our price" doesn't hold any water when just having the contracts on the books hurts us. Then there's the handling of the Bruce situation and the black eye that gave the organization, and that's to say nothing about the Rachel Doerrie situation. (She seemed like somewhat of a sh#t disturber anyways, but that's another black mark on management for not being able to see that before hiring her in the first place) On the plus side, it is nice to see things on the AHL side going well. Hopefully that ends up being a good sign for the future development of our prospects. But still, most of the stuff we're seeing now just looks like a continuation of what we were doing under Benning. I want to be hopeful, but we've seen this movie before. Edited March 4, 2023 by 48MPHSlapShot 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eeeeergh Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 8 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: I initially hated the fact that we traded away our 2nd and 3rd picks that we were going to have in the top 40 of the 2023 draft. My big issue was the timing of the deal and why Allvin didn't just wait until the summer to make it. Just wanted to present a couple of factors that I haven't seen many people mention. 1. How much more perceived value do you think that Yzerman (and fans/media) have placed into the Islanders' 1st round pick now, as opposed to in the summer once the exact pick is settled? We are still looking at potential of Islanders finishing in the bottom 12 and rolling the pick over to next year when it's unprotected. I feel that the allure of the 2024 unprotected pick is overshadowing the most likely outcome. 2022-23 Islanders' odds to make the playoffs at the moment: 1/3 If this happens, they're most likely going to be getting the 17th or 18th overall pick. There is of course a small chance that they reach the Eastern Conference finals in which case they would get 29th or 30th pick overall, or 31st/32nd if they make the Stanley Cup finals. Now the most likely scenario (2/3) is that Islanders miss the playoffs and finish 13th to 16th from the bottom. Just to illustrate what it would take for the Islanders to finish in the bottom 12, I have the point totals of the 12th worst team in the league in the last 5 years: 2021-22 81 points (32 team league) 2020-21 55 points in 56 games ---> 80.5 points prorated 2019-20 78 points in 69 games ---> 92.4 points prorated 2018-19 84 points in 82 games 2017-18 84 points in 82 games Islanders are on a 90 point pace at the moment, but have made a couple of good additions in Horvat and Engvall. After taking all this into consideration, I would put the most likely outcome to be 16th overall in 2023. This is of course far from a guarantee, and presents a big gamble by both Allvin and Yzerman but I think that the allure of the possibility of a 2024 unprotected must've been a motivator to make this deal now as opposed to waiting for the summer. 2. The rarity of good right-handed defencemen... Why didn't the Canucks wait for this draft to come and go and just suck for a bit longer before pushing to get better? This was a very frustrating thought to a lot of fans/media yesterday. I was really hoping that we would call this season a write off and then try and strike a balance between keeping Petey, Quinn, and Demko happy while accepting being bad next year. However real life is not a video game, and some players are simply just not available. I don't care who you are or what you have, you are not prying Adam Fox, Cale Makar, or Charlie McAvoy from their teams. They are just not available. Sucking for a long time and then acquiring all the players that we need in one season is not feasible/reasonable but it seems to be what everyone expects (including me). Sometimes you have to strike while the iron's hot, and Allvin has mentioned that Hronek was targeted by his pro scouting more then a year ago. The encouraging part of this is that he had a breakout year for the Wings, which would indicate that our pro scouts know what they're talking about. 25 RHD that is proven in the NHL is a near unicorn these days in trades. Last 24 hours have become a dunking contest between Vancouver media members on our management. I don't deny the validity of the criticism but I do find the coverage and conversation really one-sided and extremely negative. 6 hours ago, Timråfan said: I’ve been on this forum since Petey was drafted and have seen the pro players Benning brought in. Besides Miller I struggle to get excited. Now, with PA at the helm since january last year, I got a lot of players to get excited about. This is just over a year since PA took over. Think about that for a while… The players I feel excited about and like to see how good they can be as a Canuck is: Åman Räty Mikhejev Hronek Beauvillier Bloom Kravtsov Kuzmenko Bear When did a Canucks GM bring in so many young gifted players that are ready to play(don’t get stuck on Bloom here )? Then Abbotsford got much better regarding development wich means our prospects can cook for a while and actually get better. Wonderful times ahead. So we have a lot of players from 26 and younger. Agreed. Im of the opinion that this management team has done a very good job, and they are being criticized for a few reasons: a) Drance has convinced everyone that the key to success is ripping it all down to the studs and starting again (stupid to do when you have 2 franchise players and a potential franchise goalie) b) This management team doesnt communicate very much c) People are pissed about the last decade and have 0 faith in a retool based on Bennings horrifying retool jobs. Which is so dumb, considering the success that Vegas and Seattle have had - despite not having had 5 years of stocking up on draft picks. This management team was given a poorly constructed roster with some fantastic building blocks (Petey, Hughes, Demko). Unfortnuately, the roster was also saddled with bad contracts, and to make matters worse, the prospect pool was empty. Here's what they've accomplished: - Added a ton to the prospect pool in all positions, taking us from probably the worst prospect pool in the league to somewhere in the 15-18 range. We actually have defensemen growing in the system now who can step into our lineup in a few years. Not half bad for one year. And they did this without getting rid of any core players. - They recognized that Petey and Miller can be the 1 and 2 C's, so Bo Horvat was the redundant commodity that could bring us in a top-4 RHD (Bo + 2nd for Hronek + Raty + Beauvillier + 4th ended up essentially being the deal) - Made very smart asset management decisions - refusing to lose anyone without getting at least a pick. Got a pick for Motte, Schenn, Lazar, even Hamonic. They picked up a 1st line winger who can put up 40 goals, in Kuzmenko, without giving up ANY ASSETS. They also picked up Mikheyev, a top6 forward who can kill penalties, again, no cost. People complain: oh we're capped out. We aren't really. We could have moved Garland and Boeser at the deadline with some retention. Mgmnt decided to wait until teams have contracts expiring in the offseason to move them, when it will be way easier to do so. Myers will be moveable once his bonus has been paid and he only costs a new team 1m in salary for his final year. Theres 18m in space there they'll get this offseason. Aaron rome wasnt built in a day. But this is pretty dang impressive for 1 year. And the Hronek deal was a good one. Top-4 RHD cost that much, sorry. /End rant 2 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: No love for Lekkerimaki? Kid had a disastrous D+1 season, but it's kinda nice having an underdog-type prospect in the cupboard. Especially one with his skill set... He's all but written-off after one year of development. Perhaps this is just part of his origin story 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canucks Curse Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Timråfan said: I’ve been on this forum since Petey was drafted and have seen the pro players Benning brought in. Besides Miller I struggle to get excited. Now, with PA at the helm since january last year, I got a lot of players to get excited about. This is just over a year since PA took over. Think about that for a while… The players I feel excited about and like to see how good they can be as a Canuck is: Åman Räty Mikhejev Hronek Beauvillier Bloom Kravtsov Kuzmenko Bear When did a Canucks GM bring in so many young gifted players that are ready to play(don’t get stuck on Bloom here )? Then Abbotsford got much better regarding development wich means our prospects can cook for a while and actually get better. Wonderful times ahead. So we have a lot of players from 26 and younger. fun years ahead??? Agree but Talk about fun months, the draft - could pick anywhere from 1-8 and get a great player, I bet garland, Boeser rumours are flying everywhere at the draft and wouldn't be surprised if there are several Canucks, trades... oh also Miller rumours will be flying because that is the most feasible time a team can acquire him - think PIT and CAR if that underperform, also ARZ will not be at the cap floor and will need take on some money. we have the Mcdonaugh issue to sign, college upas like Livingstone and his D partner, European UFAs tbh I have not hated any of the trades or signings, I did not like the letteremaki pick but loved the Hronek trade, the Bo trade, the Filip Johansson signing, Bear trade (patience with CAR brought price down so low), bringing up silovs, the Kravstov trade ( patience brought price down so low again), the Riley Trade, the Lazar trade Loved the Mikehev signing and Kuzmenko, wait til next year when Mike is healthy and hopefully still fast, like the Beauvillier acquisition, how can you not... he is a traceable asset too... lots to be happy about oh yah and how are we ignoring the smirk/smile on PAs face in the post TDL presser when he said he is not concerned about cap compliance next year. He was also on 650 saying they need a 3C - amen brother, they have not had one since Malhotra and there are actually a fair number of interesting Cs out there- Rodrigues, ROR, Gautheir, Bleugger, JT Compher (would be my choice for 3C or Rodrigues) and some interesting top 4 D out there - Dumba if its a cheaper contract, Graves, Gavrikov. I think this management is smart and does actually have a plan 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Canucks Curse Posted March 4, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: Agreed. Im of the opinion that this management team has done a very good job, and they are being criticized for a few reasons: a) Drance has convinced everyone that the key to success is ripping it all down to the studs and starting again (stupid to do when you have 2 franchise players and a potential franchise goalie) b) This management team doesnt communicate very much c) People are pissed about the last decade and have 0 faith in a retool based on Bennings horrifying retool jobs. Which is so dumb, considering the success that Vegas and Seattle have had - despite not having had 5 years of stocking up on draft picks. This management team was given a poorly constructed roster with some fantastic building blocks (Petey, Hughes, Demko). Unfortnuately, the roster was also saddled with bad contracts, and to make matters worse, the prospect pool was empty. Here's what they've accomplished: - Added a ton to the prospect pool in all positions, taking us from probably the worst prospect pool in the league to somewhere in the 15-18 range. We actually have defensemen growing in the system now who can step into our lineup in a few years. Not half bad for one year. And they did this without getting rid of any core players. - They recognized that Petey and Miller can be the 1 and 2 C's, so Bo Horvat was the redundant commodity that could bring us in a top-4 RHD (Bo + 2nd for Hronek + Raty + Beauvillier + 4th ended up essentially being the deal) - Made very smart asset management decisions - refusing to lose anyone without getting at least a pick. Got a pick for Motte, Schenn, Lazar, even Hamonic. They picked up a 1st line winger who can put up 40 goals, in Kuzmenko, without giving up ANY ASSETS. They also picked up Mikheyev, a top6 forward who can kill penalties, again, no cost. People complain: oh we're capped out. We aren't really. We could have moved Garland and Boeser at the deadline with some retention. Mgmnt decided to wait until teams have contracts expiring in the offseason to move them, when it will be way easier to do so. Myers will be moveable once his bonus has been paid and he only costs a new team 1m in salary for his final year. Theres 18m in space there they'll get this offseason. Aaron rome wasnt built in a day. But this is pretty dang impressive for 1 year. And the Hronek deal was a good one. Top-4 RHD cost that much, sorry. /End rant we need a fire dance petition 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 6 hours ago, Timråfan said: Åman Räty Mikhejev Hronek Beauvillier Bloom Kravtsov Kuzmenko Bear I'm excited about some of these players but not all of them. To me Aman is a border line NHL'er who is too soft to be a legitimate bottom 6 center and needs to learn to stick up for his linemates and win a few faceoffs. Alvin likes his Swedes but the Canucks can improve a lot here. Lammiko actually had better stats than Aman as far as FO%, blocks, hits, points, takeaways......... Raty has a lot to prove still to show he can be in the big show, some are calling him a blue chip prospect but that is an underserved label. I hope he gets there but wait and see. Beau, Kravtsov and Kuz are definately exciting. Bloom is intriguing IM is a guy I am hopeful for once he recovers but wait and see, same wih Hronek. Bear has been servicable but is not overly exciting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Canuck Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Timråfan said: I’ve been on this forum since Petey was drafted and have seen the pro players Benning brought in. Besides Miller I struggle to get excited. Now, with PA at the helm since january last year, I got a lot of players to get excited about. This is just over a year since PA took over. Think about that for a while… The players I feel excited about and like to see how good they can be as a Canuck is: Åman Räty Mikhejev Hronek Beauvillier Bloom Kravtsov Kuzmenko Bear When did a Canucks GM bring in so many young gifted players that are ready to play(don’t get stuck on Bloom here )? Then Abbotsford got much better regarding development wich means our prospects can cook for a while and actually get better. Wonderful times ahead. So we have a lot of players from 26 and younger. There’s still work to do, but you’re right, there’s already been lots of adds / change. It’s all how people want to look at it, either the glass is half full or half empty. Also, I think it’s important to note the changes in Abby, especially coaching & development! I think it gets forgotten at times, but I think the Sedin’s are going to play a big role in player development. And, not to forget the new coaches role in that on the big club as well. I think all of that is huge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said: we need a fire dance petition Dude was such a wiener in that Allvin press conference. Why would an NHL GM have to justify making a trade for a top-4 RHD to some punk reporter, especially when that has been the glaring team need for literal years. But he kept harping on it, trying to get the man to admit he had "sinned". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I might be made a fool but this “retool” feels a little different…? like when benning “retooled” in 2014 he had a very different team to retool in terms of age, prospect pool, etc…and that was just super dumb and 7 years later we have very little to show for it retooling around what we have “could” work IF they continue add prospects/picks where they can, no 30 year old big UFA signings and no dead money on the cap 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Timråfan said: I’ve been on this forum since Petey was drafted and have seen the pro players Benning brought in. Besides Miller I struggle to get excited. Only Miller? What about Hughes, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Toffoli, and Garland? All of these players came since Petey got drafted and were pretty good players. Hoglander and Podz each had very promising first seasons. Toffoli had like 10 points in his first 10 games and that playoffs. Hughes was magic from the start. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopROBlemo Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I also think the next few years will be more exciting. And who knows winning can possibly entice UFA,s to want to sign for a little cheaper than the going rate, for the chance of playing along side of our stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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