Canuck You Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Let him walk, Only reason we ever got excited is because he's a D-man..7-8th at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Wow folks on here are harsh. Juulsen is not the tire fire people make him seem. Is he scoring? No. But is he defending yes. Will he make inexperienced mistakes? Yes. He has less that a full season in the NHL over parts of 5 seasons. He's fine in the AHL. IMHO he's less of a liability than Myers, Stillman, or OEL this season. I don't mind having more options as a stay at home defenceman with some upside. If Burroughs didn't fight he'd be in the minors. He brings grit and not much else. And makes more mistakes I would say than Juulsen or Bear. Livingstone should be a priority for this club. But we should also be patient with him as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: You think Pettersson and Hughes are interested in another year of missing them? I'm thinking AiLvin doesn't think so, or he wouldn't have traded for Hronek. I don't actually think we will miss them; and Petey, Huggy, and Company might make sure we don't. I just want CDC to step back from the "We need everything right now!" abyss and Chicken Little-ing. Can't even acquire an RD like Hronek without the moaning and whaling. Can't even win a couple of hockey games cuz we need to act like Stupid Bastards* for Connor Bedard. It is still only March 2022 and we just got past the TDL. Soon we will be able to wheel and deal again, draft again, re-assess, etc. * 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Team will have to make sacrifices in order to clear cap. This would be a minor one. I would look at moving beauvillier this off season. With a 4x1 that's a easy asset (2nd) + capspace. We would all prefer to move Garland but I just don't think anyone wants him lol. This off season will be spicy one way or another. I'm sure boeser is a given to be moved. Guy is at a low point and his stats still reflect a quality 2nd liner but he obviously needs to score more to be worth his pay. I want enough cap to sign gavrikov. Find it very interesting he's a gold star client and refused to talk extension with LA. Apparently told them he wants to test UFA ( don't quote me on that ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 LHD. RHD Hughes. Myers OEL. Hronek Dermott. rfa Bear. rfa Rathbone. Burroughs ufa Wolanin. ufa Juulsen rfa Brisebois. rfa Johansson(When will he join the team?) Fans also want to buyout or trade OEL. Fans also want to buyout or trade Myers. Bear wants a raise. canucks are also barely under cap for next year with a half roster signed, people think we will get better via trade or UFA, good luck with without major rentention and sweeteners. Buyout OEL and save the following... year 1=146k year 2=2.346 year 3=4.766 year 4=4.766 year 5=2.126 year 6=2.126 Myers should not be bought out, period. If he is the only option as a trade to get cap space then retain .50% and trade him for w.e as long as zero cap space with term comes back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: Pearson will likely never return. atleast Ferland is off the books July 1st. Pearson should be ready for next season last I heard, that or he’ll join Poolman in Arizona. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: I would look at moving beauvillier this off season. With a 4x1 that's a easy asset (2nd) + capspace. We would all prefer to move Garland but I just don't think anyone wants him lol. This off season will be spicy one way or another. I'm sure boeser is a given to be moved. Guy is at a low point and his stats still reflect a quality 2nd liner but he obviously needs to score more to be worth his pay. I want enough cap to sign gavrikov. Find it very interesting he's a gold star client and refused to talk extension with LA. Apparently told them he wants to test UFA ( don't quote me on that ) Boeser with solid retention or a contract coming back is movable. Garland tough too. Beauv would be the easy option. Myers will require a significant sacrifice. Regardless of his 1M salary bottom teams will want a significant amount for a 6M cap hit if they aren’t on his a 10 team NTC. Cap is premium. Might be best to retain 50% then he becomes useful. OEL probably best to wait out. Edited March 7, 2023 by Junkyard Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Wow folks on here are harsh. Juulsen is not the tire fire people make him seem. Is he scoring? No. But is he defending yes. Will he make inexperienced mistakes? Yes. He has less that a full season in the NHL over parts of 5 seasons. He's fine in the AHL. IMHO he's less of a liability than Myers, Stillman, or OEL this season. I don't mind having more options as a stay at home defenceman with some upside. If Burroughs didn't fight he'd be in the minors. He brings grit and not much else. And makes more mistakes I would say than Juulsen or Bear. Livingstone should be a priority for this club. But we should also be patient with him as well. We need more accountability though. Look at Minnesota. They have a young puck mover in Addison. They sit him frequently for ONE defensive issue in a game. Can't just allow these guys to keep fumbling plays over and over while not doing nearly as bad as the previous guy so we all give him the "HES GOOD" treatment when that's really not the case. All I can suggest to everyone is pick a good east team you like and start watching them as much as you can. You will see the major differences between a bubble at best defense vs a top teir defense in 1 shift haha! I couldn't agree more with livingstone. We need to he gathering up as much free NCAA / euro prospects looking for opportunity as possible. We won't have many high picks ( probably just our 1st ) for the remaining length of this "window" with EP and Hughes. More free talent the better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Canuck You said: Let him walk, Only reason we ever got excited is because he's a D-man..7-8th at that. He is a solid #4. Not a guy we should go crazy signing long term but worth bringing back. OEL is the wild card. Hughes I am comfortable with #1, Hronek #2 and Bear #4. Can OEL be a solid #3? Only sold on Schenn as a #7 tops and Dermott’s injuries have soured me on him - I thought he was the ideal bottom pairing guy before. Still might be worth bringing back since he can play both sides. Severson would be a better option than Bear if we can move Myers. Wolanin is great - he might beat out Dermott if we re-sign him. I also was thinking a Myers for Nemeth swap might make sense for both teams - he plays both sides as well but doesn’t beat out Wolanin IMO. Rathbone should also be in the mix. Hughes Severson OEL Hronek Wolanin/Dermott/Rathbone Bear Schenn AHL Johansson Brisebois Juulsen Burroughs Edited March 7, 2023 by canucklehead44 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said: LHD. RHD Hughes. Myers OEL. Hronek Dermott. rfa Bear. rfa Rathbone. Burroughs ufa Wolanin. ufa Juulsen rfa Brisebois. rfa Johansson(When will he join the team?) Fans also want to buyout or trade OEL. Fans also want to buyout or trade Myers. Bear wants a raise. canucks are also barely under cap for next year with a half roster signed, people think we will get better via trade or UFA, good luck with without major rentention and sweeteners. Buyout OEL and save the following... year 1=146k year 2=2.346 year 3=4.766 year 4=4.766 year 5=2.126 year 6=2.126 Myers should not be bought out, period. If he is the only option as a trade to get cap space then retain .50% and trade him for w.e as long as zero cap space with term comes back.... Myers cost us at least 10 losses a year. We absolutely cannot have playoffs in mind next year while also having him in the top 4. If we had 10 more wins than losses right now we would be in the playoff battle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Just now, canucklehead44 said: He is a solid #4. Not a guy we should go crazy signing long term but worth bringing back. OEL is the wild card. Hughes I am comfortable with #1, Hronek #2 and Bear #4. Can OEL be a solid #3? Only sold on Schenn as a #7 tops and Dermott’s injuries have soured me on him - I thought he was the ideal bottom pairing guy before. Still might be worth bringing back since he can play both sides. Severson would be a better option than Bear if we can move Myers. Wolanin is great - he might beat out Dermott if we re-sign him. I also was thinking a Myers for Nemeth swap might make sense for both teams - he plays both sides as well but doesn’t beat out Wolanin IMO Hughes Severson OEL Hronek Wolanin/Dermott Bear Schenn AHL Johansson Brisebois Juulsen Burroughs Please never suggest east coast Myers again. We want nothing to do with yet another massive retirement deal severson is seeking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 10 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Boeser with solid retention or a contract coming back is movable. Garland tough too. Beauv would be the easy option. Myers will require a significant sacrifice. Regardless of his 1M salary bottom teams will want a significant amount for a 6M cap hit if they aren’t on his a 10 team NTC. Cap is premium. Might be best to retain 50% then he becomes useful. OEL probably best to wait out. Myers is such a interesting case once that bonus is paid. Being against the cap will have all the vultures circling looking for picks on top. But at the same time a bottom feeder might see that as a flip able asset + big dollar to yet to the cap floor ( Chicago has soo much capspace next year ) I can't help but laugh when typing that out thinking someone will gain assets for Myers... But remember it's only us that can't do that! Nearly everyone else has proven they can convince others to take on a bad player and get paid to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Bear is the current teams version of Stetcher. Sure he's got a home on an NHL team somewhere. But we shouldn't be handing him to the keys to the kingdom either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Myers is such a interesting case once that bonus is paid. Being against the cap will have all the vultures circling looking for picks on top. But at the same time a bottom feeder might see that as a flip able asset + big dollar to yet to the cap floor ( Chicago has soo much capspace next year ) I can't help but laugh when typing that out thinking someone will gain assets for Myers... But remember it's only us that can't do that! Nearly everyone else has proven they can convince others to take on a bad player and get paid to do so Cap will take precedence over his salary. Teams will want a solid return for a 6M cap it. Monahan got a first when the Flames were against the cap last offseason. Teams won’t do us any favours and his 10-team no trade list will heavily favour any bottom team if they aren’t already on it. Best bet is probably retaining 50% and there will probably be more willing takers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 33 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: Myers is such a interesting case once that bonus is paid. Being against the cap will have all the vultures circling looking for picks on top. But at the same time a bottom feeder might see that as a flip able asset + big dollar to yet to the cap floor ( Chicago has soo much capspace next year ) I can't help but laugh when typing that out thinking someone will gain assets for Myers... But remember it's only us that can't do that! Nearly everyone else has proven they can convince others to take on a bad player and get paid to do so I don’t see Arizona getting close to the cap. Nemeth is a $2.5M cap hit and $3.5M salary. Myers is only a $1M salary so we save $3.5M in cap and Arizona saves $2.5M in cash. Myers also returns a mid-late round draft pick at the deadline @50% retained most likely whereas Nemeth is a waiver guy. Other players who we could maybe move Myers for: Driedger - $3.5M cap hit Zack Kassian $3.2M cap hit Mike Reilly - $3M cap hit Nikita Zaitsev - $4.5M cap hit Marco Scandella - $3.275M cap hit Cal Peterson - $5M cap hit Alec Martinez - $5.25M cap hit Radek Faska - $3.25M cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Agree with most people here. I like Bear a lot and think they should resign him. If the options are 1 or 3 year deals go with 1 for under 2million. Our D is in a transition period I think with Meyers only having 1 year left, so no need to overcommit right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 Is he not fond of Vancouver? Either way, he is a 6-7 guy and is overpaid. Folks here think he is doing good, but our defence is close to worst in the league. His ‘good’ is still garbage compared to actual good defenders. If he won’t sign for 1.75-2 mill, so long Sally. We need to start collecting actual quality defenders if we want to improve. Not settling for these kinda players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, canucklehead44 said: He is a solid #4. Not a guy we should go crazy signing long term but worth bringing back. OEL is the wild card. Hughes I am comfortable with #1, Hronek #2 and Bear #4. Can OEL be a solid #3? Bear is a #4 on a dog pooh team. On a team with a quality d-core, he is a 6-7. We need to stop settling for this garbage if we want to actually compete. We suck if he is in our top 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 hour ago, IBatch said: Bear is the current teams version of Stetcher. Sure he's got a home on an NHL team somewhere. But we shouldn't be handing him to the keys to the kingdom either. Bear has a little bit more utility than Stech, but I do see them as equals. Really wish we all had an inkling towards what Myers and OEL ultimate fates are... Until then we'll be sucking the hind teet, wishing we knew. I'd like Ethan Bear : 3 years / 8.01m for 2.67aav Who says no? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Western Red said: Bear has a little bit more utility than Stech, but I do see them as equals. Really wish we all had an inkling towards what Myers and OEL ultimate fates are... Until then we'll be sucking the hind teet, wishing we knew. I'd like Ethan Bear : 3 years / 8.01m for 2.67aav Who says no? Me. We shouldn't be paying him more than $2, and I'd be wary of the unnecessary term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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