Paul-walker Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 The management complains there are no prospects in system but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything. Mcdoughn playing for ncaa Lekkerimaki playing for shl Pettersson playing for Swedish team koskenvuo playing in Finland and Harvard forsell playing in Sweden johansson playing in Sweden plus much more. I would like to see them playing at least for ahl to see what they can do and if they fail you can always send them back. Let me know what you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Master Mind Posted March 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2023 We need to stop trading away so many draft picks. Then we can draft more players that'll play in our AHL system. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Devron Posted March 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2023 AHL has taken a monstrous step in the right direction 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 Vancouver can't just sent Pettersson to the AHL - he wasn't a 1st round pick and is subject to the updated NHL/SHL transfer agreement. His rights are with his Swedish team till 24 unless he makes the NHL before then or they waive their rights. The NHL/SHL adjusted the transfer agreement back in Spring 2022 where players picked outside of the 1st round have to be returned to their Swedish teams till age 24 instead of 21. Their SHL team can waive that right, but the SHL has long complained that their league has been watered down because players are being sent to the AHL instead of being returned to Sweden so they've now increased the age threshold. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 They have done better job with Abby than anything else. Some free prospects like Bain have helped, finally using their AHL team for players like Podz and Hoglander. Some pics starting to show more too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -AJ- Posted March 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2023 26 minutes ago, Devron said: AHL has taken a monstrous step in the right direction This. Klimovich has had huge development already in Abbotsford at a young age. Hoglander has rebounded in a big way in Abby. Podkolzin re-found his game in Abbotsford. Silovs is developing well in Abbotsford. Even others like Bains and Nielsen have become impact players. 1 7 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 47 minutes ago, Master Mind said: We need to stop trading away so many draft picks. Then we can draft more players that'll play in our AHL system. That will never work. Terrible idea 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 59 minutes ago, Paul-walker said: but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything. Why? If a player can develop on a reasonable timeline and under reasonable coaches, what difference does it make to the organization where this happens? Now if there's questions as to how exactly a player is being developed, then I understand the concern. But I don't think there's anyone in the system who's in a bad position developmentally speaking right now is there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 40 minutes ago, -AJ- said: This. Klimovich has had huge development already in Abbotsford at a young age. Hoglander has rebounded in a big way in Abby. Podkolzin re-found his game in Abbotsford. Silovs is developing well in Abbotsford. Even others like Bains and Nielsen have become impact players. Plus Wolanin's been found money, to the extent that he's probably a 2nd pair PP QB (and something must've worked with Brisebois/ Juulsen/ Burroughs that they can play NHL time and not look out of place). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 55 minutes ago, luckylager said: That will never work. Terrible idea Actually it's so crazy it might work!!!!! Why don't other teams do that????? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Citizen Erased Posted March 18, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2023 This is the first I heard of management being upset at a lack of prospects playing in Abbotsford. Did someone in management actually say that or is the author of the thread just assuming? 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Citizen Erased said: This is the first I heard of management being upset at a lack of prospects playing in Abbotsford. Did someone in management actually say that or is the author of the thread just assuming? Exactly, it's the media who is outraged at the thin prospect pool. To management, it's the hand they've been dealt and they're dealing with it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fanuck said: Why? If a player can develop on a reasonable timeline and under reasonable coaches, what difference does it make to the organization where this happens? Now if there's questions as to how exactly a player is being developed, then I understand the concern. But I don't think there's anyone in the system who's in a bad position developmentally speaking right now is there? So true. We're dealing with 18-20 year old kids who may or may not speak English. It's pretty hard being thrown in the deep end of the hockey pool, living in a foreign country with no friends or family and not being confident with the language. Young people have enough to deal with anyhow. This is why teams are happy to have their draft picks play for a year or 2 (maybe more) in their home country. Most European countries have a pretty good level of hockey for these kids to develop in anyhow. The Canucks have guys like Salo in Finland and others to help prepare players for what lays ahead in the AHL and NHL Development is as important as good drafting Edited March 18, 2023 by Crabcakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Paul-walker said: The management complains there are no prospects in system but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything. Mcdoughn playing for ncaa Lekkerimaki playing for shl Pettersson playing for Swedish team koskenvuo playing in Finland and Harvard forsell playing in Sweden johansson playing in Sweden plus much more. I would like to see them playing at least for ahl to see what they can do and if they fail you can always send them back. Let me know what you think. Do you have a link to our management saying as you suggest? If not, then it’s just your opinion on our prospects laying over seas instead of here. I think we have a lot of good young guys. This management has found a lot of good prospects and some came here while others stayed in their home leagues to develop. Not just one path to the NHL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 3 hours ago, Citizen Erased said: This is the first I heard of management being upset at a lack of prospects playing in Abbotsford. Did someone in management actually say that or is the author of the thread just assuming? I agree never heard anything about complaining? If anything 15 months ago the said they will build a staff to develop there prospect and they have hired so many ex players and scouts to develop .. Look at at the prospect that have stepped into Canucks lineup from Abby and have done very good? To mention a few, Wolanin LD , Juulsen RD , Brisebois LD, Di Giuseppe W, Aman C, Silovs G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Paul-walker said: The management complains there are no prospects in system but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything. Mcdoughn playing for ncaa Lekkerimaki playing for shl Pettersson playing for Swedish team koskenvuo playing in Finland and Harvard forsell playing in Sweden johansson playing in Sweden plus much more. I would like to see them playing at least for ahl to see what they can do and if they fail you can always send them back. Let me know what you think. Never heard such a think? If anything 15 months ago new management said there going to hire a staff to develop there prospects.They have hired so many ex players and new scouts and Abby is looking much better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 4 hours ago, mll said: Vancouver can't just sent Pettersson to the AHL - he wasn't a 1st round pick and is subject to the updated NHL/SHL transfer agreement. His rights are with his Swedish team till 24 unless he makes the NHL before then or they waive their rights. The NHL/SHL adjusted the transfer agreement back in Spring 2022 where players picked outside of the 1st round have to be returned to their Swedish teams till age 24 instead of 21. Their SHL team can waive that right, but the SHL has long complained that their league has been watered down because players are being sent to the AHL instead of being returned to Sweden so they've now increased the age threshold. Damn Hogs just got grandfathered in - poor guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cup_Joneser Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Paul-walker said: The management complains there are no prospects in system but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything. Mcdoughn playing for ncaa Lekkerimaki playing for shl Pettersson playing for Swedish team koskenvuo playing in Finland and Harvard forsell playing in Sweden johansson playing in Sweden plus much more. I would like to see them playing at least for ahl to see what they can do and if they fail you can always send them back. Let me know what you think. there is a new rule that SHL players cant come over to play in the AHL till there like 24 or something... also, I would never ask a kid to step out of college, to play in the AHL. That's just trashy. Edited March 19, 2023 by Cup_Joneser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-walker Posted March 19, 2023 Author Share Posted March 19, 2023 6 hours ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Actually it's so crazy it might work!!!!! Why don't other teams do that????? 6 hours ago, Citizen Erased said: This is the first I heard of management being upset at a lack of prospects playing in Abbotsford. Did someone in management actually say that or is the author of the thread just assuming? compared to other teams our ahl is bottom of league for years and produces very little nhl talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted March 19, 2023 Share Posted March 19, 2023 11 hours ago, Paul-walker said: The management complains there are no prospects in system but we have all these players playing for different clubs overseas when they should be playing for ahl team instead and see how they play on the North American ice before saying anything. Mcdoughn playing for ncaa Lekkerimaki playing for shl Pettersson playing for Swedish team koskenvuo playing in Finland and Harvard forsell playing in Sweden johansson playing in Sweden plus much more. I would like to see them playing at least for ahl to see what they can do and if they fail you can always send them back. Let me know what you think. Yeah, sure, they complain so much, that they have our 2 legends (Sedin brothers) working closely with our prospects in Abbotsford. What a way to make up a story just to support your own attempt on starting a meaningless thread… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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