stawns Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 1 minute ago, The Lock said: You're just assuming they're not going to care. All you have to do is think why they would care to realise how little merit what you're saying has. Will the team he's on want to win games? Yes, what team doesn't? Will his development throughout the season help them win games? Yes. Does developing prospects well give the team more goodwill towards the NHL? Also yes. So to say they won't "give two sh!ts" about his development doesn't really make much sense. Of course they're going to care. If a team doesn't care like that... they have bigger problems than just development. So you think they're going to spend time and resources on a 19 year old who is only going to be there for one year? Why would they? Most likely he'll spend the bulk of the year in the press box. The SHL isn't a development league like the A is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, stawns said: So you think they're going to spend time and resources on a 19 year old who is only going to be there for one year? Why would they? Most likely he'll spend the bulk of the year in the press box. The SHL isn't a development league like the A is. Yes, I do. I don't see why they wouldn't spend time and resources for the reasons I mentioned. Now I'm not saying him coming over here wouldn't be beneficial at all. I think it's just more a question of whether or not it would be more beneficial, which obviously is the debate here. Honestly, I don't think anyone's going to know that answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, The Lock said: Yes, I do. I don't see why they wouldn't spend time and resources for the reasons I mentioned. Now I'm not saying him coming over here wouldn't be beneficial at all. I think it's just more a question of whether or not it would be more beneficial, which obviously is the debate here. Honestly, I don't think anyone's going to know that answer. Because teenagers get very little playing time and have very little impact in the SHL. They're not going to invest in his development when he won't be around for them to see the results of that investment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Just now, stawns said: Because teenagers get very little playing time and have very little impact in the SHL. They're not going to invest in his development when he won't be around for them to see the results of that investment Again, these are just assumptions. Can you provide examples of this happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) Anyway, I'm likely not going to have time to debate any further on things for a week as I'm about to go to bed for a flight. lol Edited May 7, 2023 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Lock said: Anyway, I'm likely not going to have time to debate any further on things for a week as I'm about to go to bed for a flight. lol safe travels, brah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 5 hours ago, bigbadcanucks said: Is it just me, or do you guys see some Patrick Kane in Lekkerimaki's skill set? A little bit of Mitch Marner as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopChed Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 2 hours ago, stawns said: Because teenagers get very little playing time and have very little impact in the SHL. They're not going to invest in his development when he won't be around for them to see the results of that investment 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Curmudgeon said: I agree. Nineteen year-olds in the SHL don't get a lot of ice time and statistically, the 19 year-old cohort is pretty much a wasteland. I looked at every SHL roster for outstanding 19 year-olds. The best put up 10 points. The top five were: Sjoholm from Jonkoping - 2G8A, Stromgren from Brynas - 3G5A, Stjernborg from Vaxjo - 1G7A; Robertsson from Skelleftea - 5G2A, and Sjodin from Angleholm 1G6A. I can't see a scenario where Lekkermaki gets quality opportunities in a league that doesn't give opportunities to its younger players. This is pure shattalk… Just look at what Petey got pointwise when he played as a youngster. The younger Petey played pretty much also. It’s about how good the 19 years old are. Lekkerimäki played almost every time Djurgården wanted to get a goal against Modo. That quality doesn’t just disappear when he gets into SHL. Especially since he develops a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 9 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: Well he's left-handed - which makes him a genius... Or he's doing something more important with his right hand... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff Tannen Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Canuck You said: Nice to see us finally building with-in...The future looks bright , The past has been very dark Yeah I hated how JB never signed his 1st round picks to ELC /s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Ward Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 A player with JL's skills will tend to play better with better players. He has the speed, shot and vision to play SHL and contribute. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 6 hours ago, stawns said: SHL teams don't give two sh!ts about his development because he's only going to be there for a year. I'd rather have him learning the system, adjusting to the ice size, building chemistry with other prospects and getting the full development experience in Abby asap It certainly hurt Petey spending a year in the SHL. How about D-Petey? There's no reason to rush him after the tough season he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Curmudgeon said: I agree. Nineteen year-olds in the SHL don't get a lot of ice time and statistically, the 19 year-old cohort is pretty much a wasteland. I looked at every SHL roster for outstanding 19 year-olds. The best put up 10 points. The top five were: c from Jonkoping - 2G8A, Stromgren from Brynas - 3G5A, Stjernborg from Vaxjo - 1G7A; Robertsson from Skelleftea - 5G2A, and Sjodin from Angleholm 1G6A. I can't see a scenario where Lekkermaki gets quality opportunities in a league that doesn't give opportunities to its younger players. Sjoholm - undrafted at 18 - available in this draft Stromgren - drafted 2nd round, 55th overall 2021 Stjernborg - drafted 4th round, 108th overall 2021 Robertsson - drafted 3rd round 71st overall 2021 Sjodin, also 20 - undrafted at 18, drafted 7th round 211th overall 2022 Lekkermaki - drafted 1st round 15th overall 2022. One of these is not like the others... Pettersson got ice time at 18 and broke records in the SHL. It seems to me ice time depends a great deal on performance. It didn't seem to hurt Hoglander staying an extra year in the SHL. D-Petey plans to play another year in Sweden as well despite having a good SHL season. Reports were as the season went on his ice time increased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Baggins said: I like the patience route myself. He's had a good playoffs but his season wasn't good. SHL is better than AHL imo. Let him shoot for a good SHL season before dragging him off to a foreign country and start the clock ticking. There's no reason to rush him. Agree.... he is just finding his feet again all be it at a lower level... a step up in Sweden, in a known environment, is probably better for him, while regaining his confidence. Had he not had this write off year and murdered it in Sweden, AHL would be the next step, but for now baby steps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 11 hours ago, stawns said: SHL teams don't give two sh!ts about his development because he's only going to be there for a year. I'd rather have him learning the system, adjusting to the ice size, building chemistry with other prospects and getting the full development experience in Abby asap Plus, coach Colliton and his staff have done an amazing job developing players this past year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 10 hours ago, stawns said: So you think they're going to spend time and resources on a 19 year old who is only going to be there for one year? Why would they? Most likely he'll spend the bulk of the year in the press box. The SHL isn't a development league like the A is. this is an asinine argument. no team goes against their own interests to spite a prospect who's moving on. did petey get stapled to the bench in his last year before coming over? I seem to remember it differently... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Lock said: Again, these are just assumptions. Can you provide examples of this happening? A great example is Podkolzin when he was in the KHL. Edit: Personally, I'm okay with him playing a year in the SHL. As others have pointed out, it certainly hasn't hurt guys like Petey. But having him develop directly under Colliton, along with the Sedins, is what I'd prefer. Lekkerimaki and Raty could be something special. Edited May 7, 2023 by BarnBurner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 Let’s have Lekkerimaki come play for the Giants next year so we can watch him score 100 goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, BarnBurner said: A great example is Podkolzin when he was in the KHL. Edit: Personally, I'm okay with him playing a year in the SHL. As others have pointed out, it certainly hasn't hurt guys like Petey. But having him develop directly under Colliton, along with the Sedins, is what I'd prefer. Lekkerimaki and Raty could be something special. The poster using Petey as the example didn't really point out that Petey was the exception, not the rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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