(Rumour) Canucks Blackhawks at the draft

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

before the world

he was

after the world

he will be

 

a fixed point in the universe, an immovable pillar carved out of hands of stone. An empty net creates a rift in space time, he repairs them all. 

 

billions of years of time, billions of light years of space held together

by

 

one thing

 

his highness, the lord of frolunda, the empty net bandit

 

 

where did i put that bottle now??

Looks like someone got into the bottle already. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by PhillipBlunt

[Tower102]

It would have to be at the time of the pick. IF Reinbacher and whoever else they are high on is gone, then in a deep draft like this I would trade down, pick up a second and cap relief (Myers or OEL only and good luck getting OEL to waive). 

 

The others don't have negative value or will be LTIR.

[stawns]

3 hours ago, BPA said:

CHI 19th overall + 2nd 2023 + 2nd 2024 (VAN pick)

for

VAN 11th overall + OEL + Poolman

 

I think this would work for both sides.

No thanks.  At #11, theyre getting a premier player, at #19 not even close.

[eeeeergh]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

No thanks.  At #11, theyre getting a premier player, at #19 not even close.

exactly

 

at #11 someones gonna fall from the top 6-7

 

and thats likely a top-3 player in any other draft

 

taking my chances with the #11 

[Odd.]

7 minutes ago, stawns said:

No thanks.  At #11, theyre getting a premier player, at #19 not even close.

If you have a chance at unloading contracts while dropping 8 spots as well as getting an extra 2nd round pick, you take that 100%.
 

 

This draft is deep throughout the first round we can then actually draft guys who are not

only BPA but fill an organizational need. Heidt, Danielson, Ritchie, Yager for centres, and Simashev, Willander, Strbak, for defenseman. Good chance we can walk away with 2 of these players with the 19th and 35th.

 

At 11, Barlow, Benson if he falls, Honzek, Wood, are all wingers who are BPA at 11. I mean these guys aren’t bad choices at all, but a potential trade to actually address and solve several issues all with 1 trade, you take that chance anyday of the week.

 

Draft Strbak with the 19th assuming Willander is taken, and then take one of the plethora of centres that are available at 35th. 

 

Simashev, Strbak, Willander are defenseman this team should be all over for. Big, physical, smooth skating two way defenseman. I personally think trading down is HIGHLY likely considering what these defenseman can potentially become for us 2-3 years from now. And the potential to move cap is there trading down.

[Strawbone]

For reference, players picked at #11.

 

Year	Player	Position	Team	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2020	Yaroslav Askarov	GOALIE	Nashville Predators
2019	Victor Soderstrom	DEFENSE	Arizona Coyotes	17	1	1	2	4
2018	Oliver Wahlstrom	FORWARD	New York Islanders	115	25	20	45	77
2017	Gabriel Vilardi	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	82	16	17	33	12
2016	Logan Brown	FORWARD	Ottawa Senators	57	4	12	16	10
2015	Lawson Crouse	FORWARD	Florida Panthers	346	56	54	110	253
2014	Kevin Fiala	FORWARD	Nashville Predators	405	114	145	259	197
2013	Samuel Morin	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	29	1	0	1	45
2012	Filip Forsberg	FORWARD	Washington Capitals	552	216	236	452	234
2011	Duncan Siemens	DEFENSE	Colorado Avalanche	20	1	1	2	25
2010	Jack Campbell	GOALIE	Dallas Stars	127	0	2	2	0
2009	Ryan Ellis	DEFENSE	Nashville Predators	566	76	199	275	189
2008	Kyle Beach	FORWARD	Chicago Blackhawks
2007	Brandon Sutter	FORWARD	Carolina Hurricanes	770	152	137	289	149
2006	Jonathan Bernier	GOALIE	Los Angeles Kings	404	0	8	8	14
2005	Anze Kopitar	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	1200	364	695	1059	318
2004	Lauri Tukonen	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	5	0	0	0	0
2003	Jeff Carter	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	1158	415	384	799	587
2002	Keith Ballard	DEFENSE	Buffalo Sabres	604	38	137	175	612
2001	Fredrik Sjostrom	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes	489	46	58	104	190
2000	Pavel Vorobiev	FORWARD	Chicago Blackhawks	57	10	15	25	38

 

 

And players picked at #19:

 

Year	Player	Position	Team	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2021	Fedor Svechkov	FORWARD	Nashville Predators
2020	Braden Schneider	DEFENSE	New York Rangers	31	2	6	8	4
2019	Lassi Thomson	DEFENSE	Ottawa Senators	16	0	5	5	2
2018	Jay O'Brien	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers
2017	Josh Norris	FORWARD	San Jose Sharks	111	47	31	78	25
2016	Kieffer Bellows	FORWARD	New York Islanders	57	9	10	19	23
2015	Evgeny Svechnikov	FORWARD	Detroit Red Wings	101	11	19	30	56
2014	Tony DeAngelo	DEFENSE	Tampa Bay Lightning	257	34	117	151	226
2013	Kerby Rychel	FORWARD	Columbus Blue Jackets	43	3	11	14	19
2012	Andrei Vasilevskiy	GOALIE	Tampa Bay Lightning	355	0	16	16	30
2011	Oscar Klefbom	DEFENSE	Edmonton Oilers	378	34	122	156	74
2010	Nick Bjugstad	FORWARD	Florida Panthers	526	108	127	235	227
2009	Chris Kreider	FORWARD	New York Rangers	643	223	188	411	497
2008	Luca Sbisa	DEFENSE	Philadelphia Flyers	549	20	93	113	385
2007	Logan MacMillan	FORWARD	Anaheim Ducks
2006	Mark Mitera	DEFENSE	Anaheim Mighty Ducks
2005	Jakub Kindl	DEFENSE	Detroit Red Wings	331	16	58	74	181
2004	Lauri Korpikoski	FORWARD	New York Rangers	609	86	115	201	132
2003	Ryan Getzlaf	FORWARD	Anaheim Mighty Ducks	1150	282	731	1013	954
2002	Jakub Koreis	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes
2001	Shaone Morrisonn	DEFENSE	Boston Bruins	480	11	64	75	455
2000	Krys Kolanos	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes	149	20	22	42	94

[Odd.]

Come to think of it, Chicago should be our #1 trading partner. They’ve got the cap, they need legitimate NHLers in their line up (can’t have Dickinson as your first line center ffs), and they have the draft capital.

 

11th overall, Boeser full contract for the 19th, 35th, and Jason Dickinson.

 

We dump cap, we get a cheap 3C compared to a UFA 3C, we get an extra pick back, and we are now able to draft players who fill organizational needs while also being BPA. 
 

Like what are we waiting for.

 

 

[Odd.]

Just now, Strawbone said:

For reference, players picked at #11.

 

Year	Player	Position	Team	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2020	Yaroslav Askarov	GOALIE	Nashville Predators
2019	Victor Soderstrom	DEFENSE	Arizona Coyotes	17	1	1	2	4
2018	Oliver Wahlstrom	FORWARD	New York Islanders	115	25	20	45	77
2017	Gabriel Vilardi	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	82	16	17	33	12
2016	Logan Brown	FORWARD	Ottawa Senators	57	4	12	16	10
2015	Lawson Crouse	FORWARD	Florida Panthers	346	56	54	110	253
2014	Kevin Fiala	FORWARD	Nashville Predators	405	114	145	259	197
2013	Samuel Morin	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	29	1	0	1	45
2012	Filip Forsberg	FORWARD	Washington Capitals	552	216	236	452	234
2011	Duncan Siemens	DEFENSE	Colorado Avalanche	20	1	1	2	25
2010	Jack Campbell	GOALIE	Dallas Stars	127	0	2	2	0
2009	Ryan Ellis	DEFENSE	Nashville Predators	566	76	199	275	189
2008	Kyle Beach	FORWARD	Chicago Blackhawks
2007	Brandon Sutter	FORWARD	Carolina Hurricanes	770	152	137	289	149
2006	Jonathan Bernier	GOALIE	Los Angeles Kings	404	0	8	8	14
2005	Anze Kopitar	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	1200	364	695	1059	318
2004	Lauri Tukonen	FORWARD	Los Angeles Kings	5	0	0	0	0
2003	Jeff Carter	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers	1158	415	384	799	587
2002	Keith Ballard	DEFENSE	Buffalo Sabres	604	38	137	175	612
2001	Fredrik Sjostrom	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes	489	46	58	104	190
2000	Pavel Vorobiev	FORWARD	Chicago Blackhawks	57	10	15	25	38

 

 

And players picked at #19:

 

Year	Player	Position	Team	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2021	Fedor Svechkov	FORWARD	Nashville Predators
2020	Braden Schneider	DEFENSE	New York Rangers	31	2	6	8	4
2019	Lassi Thomson	DEFENSE	Ottawa Senators	16	0	5	5	2
2018	Jay O'Brien	FORWARD	Philadelphia Flyers
2017	Josh Norris	FORWARD	San Jose Sharks	111	47	31	78	25
2016	Kieffer Bellows	FORWARD	New York Islanders	57	9	10	19	23
2015	Evgeny Svechnikov	FORWARD	Detroit Red Wings	101	11	19	30	56
2014	Tony DeAngelo	DEFENSE	Tampa Bay Lightning	257	34	117	151	226
2013	Kerby Rychel	FORWARD	Columbus Blue Jackets	43	3	11	14	19
2012	Andrei Vasilevskiy	GOALIE	Tampa Bay Lightning	355	0	16	16	30
2011	Oscar Klefbom	DEFENSE	Edmonton Oilers	378	34	122	156	74
2010	Nick Bjugstad	FORWARD	Florida Panthers	526	108	127	235	227
2009	Chris Kreider	FORWARD	New York Rangers	643	223	188	411	497
2008	Luca Sbisa	DEFENSE	Philadelphia Flyers	549	20	93	113	385
2007	Logan MacMillan	FORWARD	Anaheim Ducks
2006	Mark Mitera	DEFENSE	Anaheim Mighty Ducks
2005	Jakub Kindl	DEFENSE	Detroit Red Wings	331	16	58	74	181
2004	Lauri Korpikoski	FORWARD	New York Rangers	609	86	115	201	132
2003	Ryan Getzlaf	FORWARD	Anaheim Mighty Ducks	1150	282	731	1013	954
2002	Jakub Koreis	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes
2001	Shaone Morrisonn	DEFENSE	Boston Bruins	480	11	64	75	455
2000	Krys Kolanos	FORWARD	Phoenix Coyotes	149	20	22	42	94

So basically about even. Vasilevsky, Kreider and Getzlaf > Kopitar, Forsberg, Fiala

[stawns]

14 minutes ago, Odd. said:

If you have a chance at unloading contracts while dropping 8 spots as well as getting an extra 2nd round pick, you take that 100%.
 

 

This draft is deep throughout the first round we can then actually draft guys who are not

only BPA but fill an organizational need. Heidt, Danielson, Ritchie, Yager for centres, and Simashev, Willander, Strbak, for defenseman. Good chance we can walk away with 2 of these players with the 19th and 35th.

 

At 11, Barlow, Benson if he falls, Honzek, Wood, are all wingers who are BPA at 11. I mean these guys aren’t bad choices at all, but a potential trade to actually address and solve several issues all with 1 trade, you take that chance anyday of the week.

 

Draft Strbak with the 19th assuming Willander is taken, and then take one of the plethora of centres that are available at 35th. 

 

Simashev, Strbak, Willander are defenseman this team should be all over for. Big, physical, smooth skating two way defenseman. I personally think trading down is HIGHLY likely considering what these defenseman can potentially become for us 2-3 years from now. And the potential to move cap is there trading down.

Absolutely nope to adding picks or prospects to dump contracts.  That's a terrible move, imo, and there are no players currently under contract who don't contribute to the team.

 

Moving from #11 to #19 is ridiculous, especially for that deal

[Strawbone]

Edit, removed duplicate post.
 

Edited May 24, 2023 by Strawbone

[Nucker 67]

35 minutes ago, stawns said:

No thanks.  At #11, theyre getting a premier player, at #19 not even close.

I don't know, some players drop for whatever reason.

 

With the #19 and the 2nd, the Canucks could walk away with Honzek and Bonk, as examples. Is taking Wood, alone, at #11 better?

[Strawbone]

8 minutes ago, Odd. said:

So basically about even. Vasilevsky, Kreider and Getzlaf > Kopitar, Forsberg, Fiala

There's a few more misses at #19, but it's not that far off.

 

#11 picks - 7003 games played
#19 picks - 5786 games played

[Odd.]

9 minutes ago, stawns said:

Absolutely nope to adding picks or prospects to dump contracts.  That's a terrible move, imo, and there are no players currently under contract who don't contribute to the team.

 

Moving from #11 to #19 is ridiculous, especially for that deal

Change it to Garland then. We need to off load cap somehow dude.

 

If we had a top 10 pick I would agree with you. However, it’s the 11th pick. Perhaps we shouldn’t have gone streaking late end to the season like we always do and fall out of the top 10. 
 

Smith, Michkov, Dvorsky, Benson, Reinbacher, Leonard, Moore, and one of Barlow, Wood, and ASP will be gone. 
 

There isn’t a significant difference between Barlow, Wood, and ASP and Danielson, Ritchie, Heidt, Honzek, Simashev, Willander, Strbak, Stenberg, etc. The latter names all fit organizational needs as well and we don’t have to reach in order for us to get them.  There’s also a good chance one of them is available with the 35th. Grabbing two first round calibre prospects is better than one of Barlow, ASP, or Wood.

 

Again, I’m totally fine with those 3, but the main thing here is that we also get to dump cap. 

[Chicken.]

To Chi

11 OA

JTM

Kuz

Boeser

 

To Van 

1 OA

 

 

feels good living in fantasy land 

[Jester13]

45 minutes ago, Odd. said:

If you have a chance at unloading contracts while dropping 8 spots as well as getting an extra 2nd round pick, you take that 100%.
 

 

This draft is deep throughout the first round we can then actually draft guys who are not

only BPA but fill an organizational need. Heidt, Danielson, Ritchie, Yager for centres, and Simashev, Willander, Strbak, for defenseman. Good chance we can walk away with 2 of these players with the 19th and 35th.

 

At 11, Barlow, Benson if he falls, Honzek, Wood, are all wingers who are BPA at 11. I mean these guys aren’t bad choices at all, but a potential trade to actually address and solve several issues all with 1 trade, you take that chance anyday of the week.

 

Draft Strbak with the 19th assuming Willander is taken, and then take one of the plethora of centres that are available at 35th. 

 

Simashev, Strbak, Willander are defenseman this team should be all over for. Big, physical, smooth skating two way defenseman. I personally think trading down is HIGHLY likely considering what these defenseman can potentially become for us 2-3 years from now. And the potential to move cap is there trading down.

It really depends on the contract we're unloading. Brock and Myers don't have a lot of term left, so I'd say it's not worth it to involve one of them. Garland is a really good player with more value than many believe, so also no to him. OEL... I'd do it because his contract is so inefficient and for many years more. 

[RUPERTKBD]

I'm betting this isn't the "rumour" most people were hoping to see when they clicked on this thread.....

[PhillipBlunt]

11 minutes ago, Chicken. said:

To Chi

11 OA

JTM

Kuz

Boeser

 

To Van 

1 OA

 

 

feels good living in fantasy land 

[Pears]

2 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

I'm betting this isn't the "rumour" most people were hoping to see when they clicked on this thread.....

OP knew exactly what they were doing while typing the title though 

[smithers joe]

what i get from all this, everyone wants PA to move cap but no one wants possible solutions only unreal ones. imo PA should use the moves that other teams agree to. he has an impossible position to rectify. let him get it done his way.

[stawns]

38 minutes ago, Odd. said:

Change it to Garland then. We need to off load cap somehow dude.

 

If we had a top 10 pick I would agree with you. However, it’s the 11th pick. Perhaps we shouldn’t have gone streaking late end to the season like we always do and fall out of the top 10. 
 

Smith, Michkov, Dvorsky, Benson, Reinbacher, Leonard, Moore, and one of Barlow, Wood, and ASP will be gone. 
 

There isn’t a significant difference between Barlow, Wood, and ASP and Danielson, Ritchie, Heidt, Honzek, Simashev, Willander, Strbak, Stenberg, etc. The latter names all fit organizational needs as well and we don’t have to reach in order for us to get them.  There’s also a good chance one of them is available with the 35th. Grabbing two first round calibre prospects is better than one of Barlow, ASP, or Wood.

 

Again, I’m totally fine with those 3, but the main thing here is that we also get to dump cap. 

again, adding sweeteners to any deal to get rid of a contract is a horrible idea, imo.  This organization is in no position to be losing assets like that.