Let's Not Panic -- Cap Situation is NOT that Dire

[HKSR]

17 minutes ago, D.B Cooper said:

You seem to be ignoring the major problem.  
That team sucks.   
Zero improvement made to a team that desperately needs it.  

 

5 minutes ago, Gurn said:

The issue is not getting under the cap; the actual problem is getting under the cap, and having a team that could make the play offs.

New coach, new systems.

Add:  Ilya Mikheyev (top 6 forward)

Add:  Filip Hronek (top 4 defenceman)

Add:  Demko playing like a #1 goalie and not one that was putting up a .875 save %

 

The team will definitely be better than they were this past year.  How much better?  Who knows.

What I do know is the last time management was impatient and desperately looking to dump cap when we didn't NEED to, we ended up acquiring a defenceman that many consider a serious anchor on the blueline that is still locked in for 4 more years at $7M+ AAV.

[Ted Lasso]

1 hour ago, mll said:

If the Canucks stand pat will they be good enough to make the playoffs when teams around them are improving their rosters.  

For the whole season, no. But to start the season, it could buy some time for more favourable trade options.

 

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

32 minutes ago, HKSR said:

 

New coach, new systems.

Add:  Ilya Mikheyev (top 6 forward)

Add:  Filip Hronek (top 4 defenceman)

Add:  Demko playing like a #1 goalie and not one that was putting up a .875 save %

 

The team will definitely be better than they were this past year.  How much better?  Who knows.

What I do know is the last time management was impatient and desperately looking to dump cap when we didn't NEED to, we ended up acquiring a defenceman that many consider a serious anchor on the blueline that is still locked in for 4 more years at $7M+ AAV.

New coach might propel a team to the playoffs if the team already has high expectations.  Nobody would look at the roster you're carrying over from this year and expect anything more than a .500 season.  That bottom six is going to get clobbered, and that's BEFORE injuries.  One skater goes down and you got AHL crap replacing them.

 

In any case, management has already indicated that they intend to do "major surgery" to fix this team.  Zero chance our roster remains completely intact as you've laid out.

[DrJockitch]

7 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said:

New coach might propel a team to the playoffs if the team already has high expectations.  Nobody would look at the roster you're carrying over from this year and expect anything more than a .500 season.  That bottom six is going to get clobbered, and that's BEFORE injuries.  One skater goes down and you got AHL crap replacing them.

 

In any case, management has already indicated that they intend to do "major surgery" to fix this team.  Zero chance our roster remains completely intact as you've laid out.

I think there may be a chance at surgery especially if the cap does go up another 3M. If it doesn’t the cap situation is tight enough that it makes it hard to make deals of significance. 
As said above having just enough cap to field the team we have is not great. Even with Hronek and a decent Demko we are in the mix for a WC, not a sure thing by any means and not built to go anywhere when there. 

[Alflives]

9 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

I think there may be a chance at surgery especially if the cap does go up another 3M. If it doesn’t the cap situation is tight enough that it makes it hard to make deals of significance. 
As said above having just enough cap to field the team we have is not great. Even with Hronek and a decent Demko we are in the mix for a WC, not a sure thing by any means and not built to go anywhere when there. 

We are in the mix for 105 points. We have proper coaching again. Haven’t had this quality of coaching since AV. Demko in goal. Hughes and Hronek anchoring our D. Petey and Miller up the middle. That’s a heck of a good core. 

[Alflives]

58 minutes ago, HKSR said:

 

New coach, new systems.

Add:  Ilya Mikheyev (top 6 forward)

Add:  Filip Hronek (top 4 defenceman)

Add:  Demko playing like a #1 goalie and not one that was putting up a .875 save %

 

The team will definitely be better than they were this past year.  How much better?  Who knows.

What I do know is the last time management was impatient and desperately looking to dump cap when we didn't NEED to, we ended up acquiring a defenceman that many consider a serious anchor on the blueline that is still locked in for 4 more years at $7M+ AAV.

Benning 

He’s gone. We once again have competent management. 

[bishopshodan]

[Gawdzukes]

5 hours ago, HKSR said:

Just wanted to provide some clarity on the Canucks situation moving into next year. 

 

The Canucks are NOT as cap crunched and in desperate need to shed cap space like some people make them out to be.  Would it help to shed cap and improve our defence group?  OF COURSE.  But, it's very clear we could start next season with what we've got and not be pressured into making a move to dump cap (ie. VGK and Pacioretty).

 

This is assuming Poolman and Pearson remain on LTIR, which is a very high possibility given their medical statuses.

 

The lineup doesn't look great, but we could work with it and find moves within the season.  $4M in cap space to work with to fill out the defence group.  Perhaps Hoglander and Podkolzin take those next steps as well.  I don't think scoring will be an issue.  Defence is obviously the weak point.

 

Beauvillier-Petey-Kuzmenko

DiGiuseppe-Miller-Boeser

Mikheyev-Dries-Podkolzin

Joshua-Aman-Garland

Studnicka

 

Hughes-Schenn??

OEL-Hronek

Brisebois-Myers

Burroughs? Hirose?

 

Demko

Backup

 

TLDR:

- Canucks are NOT cap crunched (assuming Poolman and Pearson remain on LTIR)

- Canucks are not in a pressure situation to move out cap

- Canucks can start the season status quo, perhaps providing more opportunity for the youth in the system and make trades within the season

- $4M in cap space to fill out the defence group to start the season

What an absolute rubbish roster. No panic though. 

[DrJockitch]

50 minutes ago, Alflives said:

We are in the mix for 105 points. We have proper coaching again. Haven’t had this quality of coaching since AV. Demko in goal. Hughes and Hronek anchoring our D. Petey and Miller up the middle. That’s a heck of a good core. 

The problem has not been the core of Pettey and Quinn. It has been the vets around them that have been terrible. Benning’s team still predominates and probably will for another year. 
I hope PA finds a way to make a wild swing and shake things up.  Speed and size, speed and size. 

[Dr. Crossbar]

CONCERNED

WORRIED

CAP

CAP

CONCERNED

WORRIED

 

 

 

 

[Alflives]

38 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

The problem has not been the core of Pettey and Quinn. It has been the vets around them that have been terrible. Benning’s team still predominates and probably will for another year. 
I hope PA finds a way to make a wild swing and shake things up.  Speed and size, speed and size. 

Hard not to agree. I’m still excited about seeing the club with proper coaching. 23 games over .500 is definitely within reach. 

[Gurn]

16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

23 games over .500 is definitely within reach. 

You think a 126 point season is 'within' reach?

or did you mean points?

In which case 103 points?

The lesser is doubtful and the greater is just wacky.

[Alflives]

8 minutes ago, Gurn said:

You think a 126 point season is 'within' reach?

or did you mean points?

In which case 103 points?

The lesser is doubtful and the greater is just wacky.

.500 is 82 points. So 23 games over .500 is 105 points. 

[Guest]

OP is making this thread as a response to what the conversation has been about for the last two months.  

 

The more casual fans as well as a lot of our media, are under the impression that we are forced to make a move to simply come in under the cap.  

OP is not saying that we shouldn't try and move some salary, but rather that we are not standing with a gun pointed at our head like the media has made it sound.  

 

So this whole idea that 31 other teams are holding hands and looking at Allvin and demanding draft picks to take good players from us is ludicrous. 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

[Coconuts]

You know what, now we're going to panic even harder 

[Provost]

Yay.... more "randomly assuming all these things work out like I want them to... we can bring back a bad roster that isn't a winner".

We don't know that either Poolman or Pearson will on on LTIR for the season.  All the reports are that they are both intending to play again.  We CERTAINLY don't know that the team will magically know this in time for the beginning of the offseason when we have to shed cap in case they come back.  Them being medically ruled out for the start of the season by failing their physicals in training camp doesn't help us as you can't just keep all the cap on the books and hope for the best. 

Even with those optimistic assumptions... 4 of our 8 NHL D are league minimum players?  Plan the parade.

If either of those players comes back at any point in the season you run a massive risk of being non cap compliant.. other teams would just love that, what sort of assets or futures would it take to get rid of millions of cap mid season when opposing GMs know they have you over a barrel.

Yikes.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Provost

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, Provost said:

Yay.... more "randomly assuming all these things work out like I want them to... we can bring back a bad roster that isn't a winner".

We don't know that either Poolman or Pearson will on on LTIR for the season.  All the reports are that they are both intending to play again.  We CERTAINLY don't know that the team will magically know this in time for the beginning of the offseason when we have to shed cap in case they come back.  Them being medically ruled out for the start of the season by failing their physicals in training camp doesn't help us as you can't just keep all the cap on the books and hope for the best. 

If either of those players comes back at any point in the season you run a massive risk of being non cap compliant.. other teams would just love that, what sort of assets or futures would it take to get rid of millions of cap mid season when opposing GMs know they have you over a barrel.

Yikes.

Poolman and Pearson are gone. 100% on LTI 

[bishopshodan]

4 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Well played!

 

Just love that movie. Rickman was the best

[Crabcakes]

6 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Dries belongs nowhere near an NHL roster.

Dries was the top centre in Abbotsford when the Canucks ran into injury trouble last year so up he came.  It was a smart move by Allvin given the circumstances but in no way should he be considered a permanent solution.  He was signed to lead the baby Canucks until bona fide prospects are ready to take the lead.

 

 He should be starting in Abbotsford in October