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13 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Problem is...we don't have any good D prospects really. Elias Pettersson? Maybe, but he's far from elite, he's a former 3rd rounder.

 

Maybe if they take a defenceman with our 11OA pick, one of ASP, Willander or Reinbacher could probably be an NHL defenceman in 3 years but that's a heck of a gamble.

 

We'll have to be very careful with our cap during the 4+M dead cap years and hope we have a lot of ELCs going then, but that would equate to draftees last year/this year and we don't have that many top end picks to really justify that (because we traded them away lol). For example, if we had 2 firsts and a 2nd this year, surely one or two of them would be NHL-worthy and on a cheap ELC during the 4.5M OEL buyout years.

 

Just going to have to be very careful cap wise going forward. I think once Boeser and Myers' deals are up we'll see some big changes too but don't forget that big fat Petey extension coming up.

Oh don't get me wrong this would take either a miracle or luck or some really savvy moves by Allvin or all of the above for this to happen. 

But this is the only path where year 3 and 4 won't hurt the team 

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12 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Problem is...we don't have any good D prospects really. Elias Pettersson? Maybe, but he's far from elite, he's a former 3rd rounder.

 

Maybe if they take a defenceman with our 11OA pick, one of ASP, Willander or Reinbacher could probably be an NHL defenceman in 3 years but that's a heck of a gamble.

 

We'll have to be very careful with our cap during the 4+M dead cap years and hope we have a lot of ELCs going then, but that would equate to draftees last year/this year and we don't have that many top end picks to really justify that (because we traded them away lol). For example, if we had 2 firsts and a 2nd this year, surely one or two of them would be NHL-worthy and on a cheap ELC during the 4.5M OEL buyout years.

 

Just going to have to be very careful cap wise going forward. I think once Boeser and Myers' deals are up we'll see some big changes too but don't forget that big fat Petey extension coming up.

I think the plan is to sign any UFA’s to two year deals maximum as well as any trades for players on two year max contracts and then incorporate our youth into the team on ELC’s.  I can see Raty and Klimovich on the team in 2 years.  Perhaps Karlsson and McDonough as well.  And Lekkerimaki may be ready to go to.  If we keep the 11OA this year then that player could also be ready.  On defence we have Hirose, Petey D and Joni Jurmo.  Not sure about Rathbone.  Podkolzin and Hoglander may still be on cheap contracts.  Maybe Kravtsov comes back.  Silovs may take over the starting goalie role and we can trade Demko.

 

In any event, I would say our core is now in place and we will add complimentary pieces.  We may sign a Ryan Graves to a 5x5 contract to add to that core, but I would say that may be the only exception, is to add another impact top 4 Dman.

 

We will have lots of cap coming off the books in two years, Boeser, Beauvillier, Myers, Pearson, Poolman, probably Garland too.  Maybe Demko gets traded.  So you are looking at $30 million+ in cap space plus the increase in the cap which should be another $6-7 million.  I’m not concerned about those 3rd and 4th years of the buyout at $4.7 million because if we are not contending by then it probably won’t matter.  JR/PA are all in now.  They are looking to make the playoffs this year and then take a shot at the cup as early as next season IMO…

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23 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I think the plan is to sign any UFA’s to two year deals maximum as well as any trades for players on two year max contracts and then incorporate our youth into the team on ELC’s.  I can see Raty and Klimovich on the team in 2 years.  Perhaps Karlsson and McDonough as well.  And Lekkerimaki may be ready to go to.  If we keep the 11OA this year then that player could also be ready.  On defence we have Hirose, Petey D and Joni Jurmo.  Not sure about Rathbone.  Podkolzin and Hoglander may still be on cheap contracts.  Maybe Kravtsov comes back.  Silovs may take over the starting goalie role and we can trade Demko.

 

In any event, I would say our core is now in place and we will add complimentary pieces.  We may sign a Ryan Graves to a 5x5 contract to add to that core, but I would say that may be the only exception, is to add another impact top 4 Dman.

 

We will have lots of cap coming off the books in two years, Boeser, Beauvillier, Myers, Pearson, Poolman, probably Garland too.  Maybe Demko gets traded.  So you are looking at $30 million+ in cap space plus the increase in the cap which should be another $6-7 million.  I’m not concerned about those 3rd and 4th years of the buyout at $4.7 million because if we are not contending by then it probably won’t matter.  JR/PA are all in now.  They are looking to make the playoffs this year and then take a shot at the cup as early as next season IMO…

Seems logical.   Buyouts were considered  a last resort.   Would rather see that then yet another first rounder attached to a useful player like Brock or Garland, just to clear cap space.   Hopefully this allows the team to poach a good player, like NJ did with Marino last year. 

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28 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Seems logical.   Buyouts were considered  a last resort.   Would rather see that then yet another first rounder attached to a useful player like Brock or Garland, just to clear cap space.   Hopefully this allows the team to poach a good player, like NJ did with Marino last year. 

We are now on the other side of the cap crunch.  We can now go after players on other cap strapped teams and make a good deal for ourselves.  NY Rangers, Boston, Calgary, Florida, LA, NYI, Pittsburgh. Even Tampa has a cap problem.  Tampa has no cap space other than LTIR money and they have to sign Jeannot and Colton plus another 3-4 guys. Maybe we can take Erik Cernak off their hands.  Tampa might be the team that signs OEL.  They need forward help.  We can give them Höglander and a pick for Cernak.  I’m sure they’d love to have a pick in the first 5 rounds this year…

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35 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

We are now on the other side of the cap crunch.  We can now go after players on other cap strapped teams and make a good deal for ourselves.  NY Rangers, Boston, Calgary, Florida, LA, NYI, Pittsburgh. Even Tampa has a cap problem.  Tampa has no cap space other than LTIR money and they have to sign Jeannot and Colton plus another 3-4 guys. Maybe we can take Erik Cernak off their hands.  Tampa might be the team that signs OEL.  They need forward help.  We can give them Höglander and a pick for Cernak.  I’m sure they’d love to have a pick in the first 5 rounds this year…

And can look at free agents that we sure could not  prior to this.   Soucy is at the top of my wish list.  6'5",  evolving hockey predicts 3 x 2.6 which certainly won't break the bank.    Plays his size too.

 

Cernak for Hoglander and one of our extra later picks would sure be nice.   Even better,  Rathbone.    

 

OEL definitely made it more fun for us this off season lol.   Bear also is a little bit more intriguing, starting on the LTIR.   Offers the team with the possibility of adding some extra depth.   Know by January, someone else will be out or good odds anyways. 

 

My immediate wish list for UFAs, is to add Soucy and Schenn.   Soucy already has a lot of interest by Oiler nation and LA.   Bonus of getting him to sign with us would be so our players don't get pounded often, like he did to us during the bubble.  6'5".     Adds much needed size.    Schenn, well he proved to me at least he's still got lots of game left, and it wasn't just QHs carrying him either.     Nice to have two guys who stand up for their teammates as well.   

 

The key missing piece of course would be adding a legit top four guy in the right age frame to help re-tool the defense.   Would be a huge win, if that is done as a result of the OEL buyout. 

 

Edit:  If we could poach Cernak from TB, it would probably be the most significant trade the clubs made since we traded Bertuzzi.    He's got the Tampa Bay special cap hit. 

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1 minute ago, Timråfan said:

Hmm, so PA and OEL can have an agreement in place. It would be fun if they agreed on a buyout and then get OEL on a league minimum contract.

Or will such a deal make Bettman angry?

OELs camp reported they had no idea this was coming.   But I suppose that could all be part of the ruse.  

 

Would he hysterical if we added him at the league min.     Then traded him. 

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5 minutes ago, IBatch said:

 

The key missing piece of course would be adding a legit top four guy in the right age frame to help re-tool the defense.   Would be a huge win, if that is done as a result of the OEL buyout. 

This is what I believe.

We have a lot of 5/6 D and Bears injury might be the trigger here. When he got injured we lost a RHD tat was thought of being the 4th D and we have to replace him.

LHD is easier so the money probably goes to a RHD.

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7 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

Hmm, so PA and OEL can have an agreement in place. It would be fun if they agreed on a buyout and then get OEL on a league minimum contract.

Or will such a deal make Bettman angry?

F Bettman... but yes we'd likely get another Luongo rule... 

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2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

OELs camp reported they had no idea this was coming.   But I suppose that could all be part of the ruse.  

 

Would he hysterical if we added him at the league min.     Then traded him. 

If they agreed on that it has a gentlemens touch over it so no one is screwing the other.

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6 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

If they agreed on that it has a gentlemens touch over it so no one is screwing the other.

Is this even allowed? Something tells me this would have been a loophole the NHL or NHLPA would have closed 

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9 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Is this even allowed? Something tells me this would have been a loophole the NHL or NHLPA would have closed 

People said the same when I said Benning took money under the table for all the vets contracts he gave away so we used all cap.

 

Yet money under the table has a way to happen everywhere in society but not in NHL.

It’s fascinating that NHL is the only place dirty money doesn’t excist.

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3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Oh boy this is massive. I joked about an OEL buyout at the end of the year, obviously the short-term cap savings are nice, those 2 years at 4.7ishM hurt us big time, especially because we'll have some big contracts in place then too (the Petey extension as well), but we can cope with the 2M cap hit at the end of the deal.

 

I'm very surprised by this knee-jerk reaction by PA. I thought OEL really deserved 1 year without an injury with these good defensive coaches to see what he could do. We desperately needed 1, maybe 2 top-4 defencemen this off-season, not to lose one.

 

Going forward now, we're in a real mess. I guess every team has dead cap and we'd just lost all of ours so it's about managing it - we can't add to it and retain on trades (eg. Myers, Garland) so we have to sit with the OEL dead cap and really not add to it.

 

This move tells us we want to fix the D so that is promising, I'd have been happy going into next season with OEL as our bottom pairing LD but not 2nd pairing guy. Obviously now we need a rock solid relatively young LD to play 20-22 minutes to take some pressure off Quinn. Whether that's a free agent (Graves?) or via trade (Hanifin, Marcus Pettersson), we have to be active now. Makes me wonder if Allvin already has something in place...

 

Next season we have cap to play with, looking I suppose Allvin thinks we'll have some big contracts off the board (Boeser, Myers) which is where OEL's buyout really hurts us, but we have to replace these guys and if we're trading picks away, it's not going to be cheaply coming from within.

 

I'm not overly mad with the move but the follow up moves will determine whether this was worth it or not. Right now we have Hughes, Hronek, 1 year of Myers left aaaand that's our defence. We need 1 top-4 defenceman to be considered an NHL team. We need 2 top-4 defencemen if we want to be talking playoffs. Myers for me right now is a 5th guy at best and doesn't crack any playoff top-4. As it stands I suppose Hirose or Rathbone is starting at 3rd pairing LD with Myers but there's an entire top-4 pairing missing now.

Wonder if the see Hirose play with Hronek?

I know, he has hardly played in the NHL,

but we have Wolanin ready to play as well on the bottom pairing, and maybe Rathbone (although can't see it)...

By shipping out OEL they have opened up a lot of of opportunities how to rebuild the D. 

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18 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Wonder if the see Hirose play with Hronek?

I know, he has hardly played in the NHL,

but we have Wolanin ready to play as well on the bottom pairing, and maybe Rathbone (although can't see it)...

By shipping out OEL they have opened up a lot of of opportunities how to rebuild the D. 

Some big question marks going forward for sure but it is a great opportunity to change the look of next years defense core IMO.

 

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55 minutes ago, Timråfan said:

People said the same when I said Benning took money under the table for all the vets contracts he gave away so we used all cap.

 

Yet money under the table has a way to happen everywhere in society but not in NHL.

It’s fascinating that NHL is the only place dirty money doesn’t excist.

who do you allege was providing these kickbacks to benning? whose pocket was that money coming out of?

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1 hour ago, spook007 said:

Wonder if the see Hirose play with Hronek?

I know, he has hardly played in the NHL,

but we have Wolanin ready to play as well on the bottom pairing, and maybe Rathbone (although can't see it)...

By shipping out OEL they have opened up a lot of of opportunities how to rebuild the D. 

Hirose did look good but look at these playoff top 4 defences...they don't exactly have some kid from college in there, they have veteran 25-35 year old 20+ minute 6'3" 200lb+ beasts.

 

Hirose or Rathbone pair really nicely on our bottom pairing with Myers or Burroughs on the right but they have to be the low minute man at around 15-17 mins a night, asking them to play on the 2nd pairing will be far too much of a responsibility. We've got to put them in positions to succeed and that's mostly 5 on 5 agains opposing team's bottom 2 lines and 2nd unit PP, no PK and never on the ice against stars.

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