DownUndaCanuck Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I’m thinking this management actually plans ahead, unlike the “day to day” no plan of the previous one. So at 11OA Allvin is likely getting the d prospect he needs to come play on his elc just as the two 4.8 cap hit years are happening from the OEL buyout. Trading 11OA for a guy coming out of his elc or one who is going to earn 4-6 per isn’t in that kind of plan. Yeah I think this is part of the plan. I mentioned ages ago that it'd almost be worthwhile buying out OEL and signing a guy like Gavrikov or Graves to a 5ish million deal. 6M is a bit pricey, but at the end of the day, Graves at 5M + 4.7M of OEL dead cap (9.7M total) is definitely better than OEL at 7M + a 2M player (eg. Bear). Obviously it's a bit more complex than that - looking at our cap structure, we have plenty of other places we can save that dead cap. First and foremost - Demko is pretty much playing like a 8-10M goalie on a 5M contract. Petey and Hughes are playing 3M over their caps. We just got a bargain deal for Kuzmenko. Obviously Garland and Boeser and Myers are pricey, but their deals won't be as impactful during those heavy years. We just have to be savvy with the cap going forward, which will be tricky because we need defencemen now, and an easy way is to sign one through free agency which is always a bit inflated and can come back to bite us in the butt in the future. I think we don't have a choice - we have to throw money at someone who can play top-4 minutes and play on the PK, especially on the left. Graves fits the bill but if we sign him to a 6x6M deal I'd be pretty wary we're just creating the next cap problem. Watching PA very closely, he started his career very conservative and then has made some massive plays. The Bo deal, Hronek deal and now this OEL buyout are shaping his career as a GM. It's far too early to say if any of them are wins or losses yet, I'm pretty happy he's fixing the team and addressing our needs, but he's still got a lot of work to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 8 hours ago, bad alice french said: Just checking out the ufa list. It’s freaking deep with D men. There’s a lot of names we still can’t afford on that list. Unless we still plan on getting rid of another contract like Garland, Boeser or Beauvillier. Need to get a LD a RD and maybe even a 3C all with under 6 mill in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 12 minutes ago, flat land fish said: The 3C Spot I’m curious if they’ll trade for one that has 1-2 years of term remaining or sign a veteran willing to take a shorter contract if they like Raty and project he will back fill that role after seasoning in Abby for this year. Yeah I wouldn't mind a stab at someone like Kuraly. 30 years old, plays pretty decent 3C minutes, 2 years left on a 2.5M deal. Surely they are open for business and want more scoring, a guy like Beauvillier or Garland makes a lot of sense for them. If things get really nuts we could make a massive deal and involve Peeke too, but there's a lot of veteran 3C guys out there who could help our team while we wait for Raty. Boeser (2M retained) + Beauvillier + Rathbone for Peeke + Kuraly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Yeah I think this is part of the plan. I mentioned ages ago that it'd almost be worthwhile buying out OEL and signing a guy like Gavrikov or Graves to a 5ish million deal. 6M is a bit pricey, but at the end of the day, Graves at 5M + 4.7M of OEL dead cap (9.7M total) is definitely better than OEL at 7M + a 2M player (eg. Bear). Obviously it's a bit more complex than that - looking at our cap structure, we have plenty of other places we can save that dead cap. First and foremost - Demko is pretty much playing like a 8-10M goalie on a 5M contract. Petey and Hughes are playing 3M over their caps. We just got a bargain deal for Kuzmenko. Obviously Garland and Boeser and Myers are pricey, but their deals won't be as impactful during those heavy years. We just have to be savvy with the cap going forward, which will be tricky because we need defencemen now, and an easy way is to sign one through free agency which is always a bit inflated and can come back to bite us in the butt in the future. I think we don't have a choice - we have to throw money at someone who can play top-4 minutes and play on the PK, especially on the left. Graves fits the bill but if we sign him to a 6x6M deal I'd be pretty wary we're just creating the next cap problem. Watching PA very closely, he started his career very conservative and then has made some massive plays. The Bo deal, Hronek deal and now this OEL buyout are shaping his career as a GM. It's far too early to say if any of them are wins or losses yet, I'm pretty happy he's fixing the team and addressing our needs, but he's still got a lot of work to do. Trade down and grab an extra 2nd round pick. Draft Simashev with our 1st this year. 6'4" 205lbs NHL ready defensive specialist LHD to replace OEL. Edited June 17 by HKSR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Rienbacher if avail. He’s close to player ready. Not withstanding the glaring hole in the lineup now this should be the choose any way ! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Yeah I think this is part of the plan. I mentioned ages ago that it'd almost be worthwhile buying out OEL and signing a guy like Gavrikov or Graves to a 5ish million deal. 6M is a bit pricey, but at the end of the day, Graves at 5M + 4.7M of OEL dead cap (9.7M total) is definitely better than OEL at 7M + a 2M player (eg. Bear). Obviously it's a bit more complex than that - looking at our cap structure, we have plenty of other places we can save that dead cap. First and foremost - Demko is pretty much playing like a 8-10M goalie on a 5M contract. Petey and Hughes are playing 3M over their caps. We just got a bargain deal for Kuzmenko. Obviously Garland and Boeser and Myers are pricey, but their deals won't be as impactful during those heavy years. We just have to be savvy with the cap going forward, which will be tricky because we need defencemen now, and an easy way is to sign one through free agency which is always a bit inflated and can come back to bite us in the butt in the future. I think we don't have a choice - we have to throw money at someone who can play top-4 minutes and play on the PK, especially on the left. Graves fits the bill but if we sign him to a 6x6M deal I'd be pretty wary we're just creating the next cap problem. Watching PA very closely, he started his career very conservative and then has made some massive plays. The Bo deal, Hronek deal and now this OEL buyout are shaping his career as a GM. It's far too early to say if any of them are wins or losses yet, I'm pretty happy he's fixing the team and addressing our needs, but he's still got a lot of work to do. Moving Bo (who was clearly demanding a huge overpay) for Hronek, new Beau, and Raty was a huge win. We dodged the old Bo contract. We got an elite right shot d who is 25. We got a winger in new Beau who can play up and down the lineup and is only 25. And we got a 20 year old centre prospect with a ceiling that is what old Bo was but way better defensively. Win win win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Just now, HKSR said: Trade down and grab an extra 2nd round pick. Draft Simashev with our 1st this year. 6'4" 205lbs NHL ready LHD to replace OEL. Depending on how the draft shakes down, I wonder if we do trade down, pick a defenceman (I think Willander might be available in the 2nd half of the first or you're right - Simashev) and then go for a home-run defenceman with the 2nd round pick. If Strbak is somehow available, take him, otherwise take a stab at someone like Dragicevic, Gulyayev, Bonk, Allen etc. who all aren't quite good enough for the first. Lindstein might fall through the cracks too. Would be a pretty nuts couple of weeks if we basically flip OEL for Willander + Lindstein, a real changing of the guard on defence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 2 minutes ago, chon derry said: Rienbacher if avail. He’s close to player ready. Not withstanding the glaring hole in the lineup now this should be the choose any way ! What about one of Reinbacher, Willander, or Shimashev whichever is still on the board at 11OA? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat land fish Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Yeah I wouldn't mind a stab at someone like Kuraly. 30 years old, plays pretty decent 3C minutes, 2 years left on a 2.5M deal. Surely they are open for business and want more scoring, a guy like Beauvillier or Garland makes a lot of sense for them. If things get really nuts we could make a massive deal and involve Peeke too, but there's a lot of veteran 3C guys out there who could help our team while we wait for Raty. Boeser (2M retained) + Beauvillier + Rathbone for Peeke + Kuraly I wonder what sort of contract alex killorn gets at ufa Tampa is capped out. Guessing the term will be too long for the Canucks but gotta imagine he will be looking for a team he could win with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, flat land fish said: I wonder what sort of contract alex killorn gets at ufa Tampa is capped out. Guessing the term will be too long for the Canucks but gotta imagine he will be looking for a team he could win with. Yeah there are lots of options, I really like Kerfoot from Toronto too and my main guy would be Kampf. Killorn is 33, just dropped a 60pt season so I think will get paid well but surely won't get a lengthy deal, maybe a short but expensive 3 year 5M? I'd rather we throw something like 2-3M at Kampf or Kerfoot but it may cost us 5 years. Anyone in their late 20s is going to want a contract which sorts them out until they're 35 though, unless we try them on a 3-4 year deal and argue it's a way for them to earn their next contract which takes them to retirement. Either way, we need a solid guy who can kill penalties and win faceoffs. Raty will probably be Abby's 2nd line center next year in all honesty the way he finished last year so strongly. He's maybe 1 year away from the Canucks bottom-6. Aman looks so solid but when Raty is ready, he'll probably come in and start on the wing and then naturally just steal minutes off whichever center we have there. If it's Kampf or Kerfoot, they can slide onto the wing if/once Raty is more dominant. Never a bad thing to have too many bottom-6 centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 6 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Depending on how the draft shakes down, I wonder if we do trade down, pick a defenceman (I think Willander might be available in the 2nd half of the first or you're right - Simashev) and then go for a home-run defenceman with the 2nd round pick. If Strbak is somehow available, take him, otherwise take a stab at someone like Dragicevic, Gulyayev, Bonk, Allen etc. who all aren't quite good enough for the first. Lindstein might fall through the cracks too. Would be a pretty nuts couple of weeks if we basically flip OEL for Willander + Lindstein, a real changing of the guard on defence. High risk high reward pick with Dragicevic. His offensive potential could make him the best defenceman in the draft. Forward converted into a dman and you can tell. If he can keep improving on his defence I think he could have the potential to be one of the steals of the draft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: What about one of Reinbacher, Willander, or Shimashev whichever is still on the board at 11OA? Willander would work … eventually. He’s off to Boston college for 2 yrs. Rienbacher is closer to player ready. Any D pick works for me. At some point in the Canucks history they have to use a high pick for the backend I’ll be pissed if they take smurf benson without addressing the defensive void that’s been lacking in the entire Canucks system since forever. . IMO. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Well Simaahev just bacame a very real target now... we didn't really consider him due to a log jam at LHD, but now I'd definitely consider him. Simashev or Colby Barlow should be able to join the team this year or next. Fill in ELCs that can help us the next couple of years. Looks very likely Cmon on let f'ing go 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, chon derry said: Willander would work … eventually. He’s off to Boston college for 2 yrs. Rienbacher is closer to player ready. Any D pick works for me. At some point in the Canucks history they have to use a high pick for the backend I’ll be pissed if they take smurf benson without addressing the defensive void that’s been lacking in the entire Canucks system since forever. . IMO. Hear hear.... +1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, chon derry said: Willander would work … eventually. He’s off to Boston college for 2 yrs. Rienbacher is closer to player ready. Any D pick works for me. At some point in the Canucks history they have to use a high pick for the backend I’ll be pissed if they take smurf benson without addressing the defensive void that’s been lacking in the entire Canucks system since forever. . IMO. Yeah it'll be really interesting if it comes to 11th overall and ASP, Reinbacher, Benson and Dvorsky are available. 2 weeks ago I'd say take Dvorsky or Benson and run, they have such high ceilings. Benson could end up the next little Pat Kane, Dvorsky the next Kopitar. But...look at our defence right now. Under contract, we have Hughes, Hronek coming off an injury, Myers...and a bunch of AHLers. In the prospect cupboard we have...Elias Pettersson, that's about it. We've only taken a defenceman high twice, Hughes and Juolevi (not to mention guys in the 70s like Tallon). Since the 90s, we've drafted these defencemen in the first round: 1) Ohlund - arguably the 2nd best defenceman in franchise history after Edler. 2) Brad Ference - not great, played around 250 games 3) Bryan Allen - ended up with 700+ games so I'd call that a career 4) Bourdon - RIP but he was trending to be such a solid kid and defenceman 5) Juolevi. I get it about BPA, but look where it's gotten us - a bunch of over-paid wingers and 3 NHL defencemen under contract for next year with arguably no real defensive prospects in the cupboard. This is PA's chance to stock up big time. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 33 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Keith Ballard - Gillis David Booth - Gillis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 13 minutes ago, chon derry said: Willander would work … eventually. He’s off to Boston college for 2 yrs. Rienbacher is closer to player ready. Any D pick works for me. At some point in the Canucks history they have to use a high pick for the backend I’ll be pissed if they take smurf benson without addressing the defensive void that’s been lacking in the entire Canucks system since forever. . IMO. Benson is likely gone before our pick. He’s the same size (as measured at the draft combine) as Bedard. And his runway to develop is long. So some clubs will see him as a potential #1 or #2 centre. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, Timråfan said: Well, if life were as easy as you say no one would be corrupt. People get corrupted when they believe no one will find out. Benning with his save face persona fits that profile. The long run it’s many things that can be involved. Promises to sign another player if so etc. making up stories in your head based on nothing is a symptom of psychopathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Yeah it'll be really interesting if it comes to 11th overall and ASP, Reinbacher, Benson and Dvorsky are available. 2 weeks ago I'd say take Dvorsky or Benson and run, they have such high ceilings. Benson could end up the next little Pat Kane, Dvorsky the next Kopitar. But...look at our defence right now. Under contract, we have Hughes, Hronek coming off an injury, Myers...and a bunch of AHLers. In the prospect cupboard we have...Elias Pettersson, that's about it. We've only taken a defenceman high twice, Hughes and Juolevi (not to mention guys in the 70s like Tallon). Since the 90s, we've drafted these defencemen in the first round: 1) Ohlund - arguably the 2nd best defenceman in franchise history after Edler. 2) Brad Ference - not great, played around 250 games 3) Bryan Allen - ended up with 700+ games so I'd call that a career 4) Bourdon - RIP but he was trending to be such a solid kid and defenceman 5) Juolevi. I get it about BPA, but look where it's gotten us - a bunch of over-paid wingers and 3 NHL defencemen under contract for next year with arguably no real defensive prospects in the cupboard. This is PA's chance to stock up big time. At 64,years old and having played at a reasonably good level of competition ,I can safely say, I never had to witness vegas and their grizzled backend to know that’s what it takes. Hell I knew that back in the early 70 s when the Habs proved it. To my point. Tell me that, that vegas backend couldn’t stand up a player like benson. And stop him in his tracks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 minute ago, chon derry said: At 64,years old and having played at a reasonably good level of competition ,I can safely say, I never had to witness vegas and their grizzled backend to know that’s what it takes. Hell I knew that back in the early 70 s when the Habs proved it. To my point. Tell me that, that vegas backend couldn’t stand up a player like benson. And stop him in his tracks. Low center of gravity. Kid has got that and a projectable frame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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